Upcoming IJN Destroyer split

[fnord_disc]

Anyway, I'm loving this news so much and I'm going to go nuts on this.

[Gunship14]

So, I have unlocked the Shima in-game, if I wanna play the new tier 7, do I have to grind mutsuki and hatsu again?

[Robber_Baron]

I'm curious how this all will work out. How everything is balanced, what impact it has on the meta, and how everything is compensated. I've unlocked the Hatsuharu for example, does that mean in the new situation the Shiratsuyu is unlocked for me?

 

Reading the comments it seems I keep the modules and premaflage from my Fubuki, only the ship itself is changed. That would be a relief.

[fnord_disc]

Normally what WG does when lines are changed like this is that the old ship is swapped out for the new ship tier-equivalent and everything is carried over. If you unlocked a ship and didn't buy it, then that ship is also unlocked when the line is changed.

 

Whether we have to grind the T5/6 of the new tree again, probably! But we will see.

 

My big hope is that with this change WG can do some fundamental rebalancing to the IJN DDs and focus on what people like about them instead of screwing up the ships like the torpedo rebalance did. I'm definitely very optimistics about this.

[Nechrom]

Interesting...

 

I'm guessing they will be more strict with keeping within certain sub-classes with this reorganization.

 

• Fubuki will be stuck with Type A guns (non-DP).
• Akatsuki will get the Type B guns (DP) and hopefully better speed. Since the main design difference to the Fubuki was more efficient boilers.
• Kagero will not be changed except of course having tier appropriate torpedoes. Type C guns (non-DP).
• Yugumo is a Kagero but with Type D guns, so DP again.

 

Still this strange jumping back and forth between DP and non-DP guns. But at least we have that black sheep at tier 8 and not 9 this time.

On the same note, the Shiratsuyu also uses the Type C guns, meaning no DP again after the Hatsu with its Type B DP guns. 

[SBS]

This is awsome. 

[T_H_0_R]

The way this will be balanced is very clearly through the torpedoes since they went to great effort to make this line chronological now.

 

- Fubuki and Akatsuki will lose the Long Lances and even the Type 90 to get the old Type 8 -> Aoba torpedoes because thats what they carried as built

- Kagero+ will get Type 93

- Hatsuharu, Shiratsuyu with Type 90

- Akizuki with Type 93

 

And if you think about it, this makes perfect sense. Fubuki/Akatsuki will have 3x3 Type 8, then Kagero 2x4 much improved Type 93.

Hatsuharu/Shiratsuyu will have 2x3 Type 90, which are better torpedoes than the same tier counterpart but 33% less, and then 1x4 Type 93 at Akizuki.

 

And people WILL want the upgrade from Akatsuki to Kagero since the difference between Type 8 and Type 93 is enormous.

 

Hatsuharu and Shiratsuyu might still need a gun buff of some sort because Type 90 isn't that much better than Type 8, but it's certainly within the realm of what can be balanced.

 

Interesting...

 

I'm guessing they will be more strict with keeping within certain sub-classes with this reorganization.

 

• Fubuki will be stuck with Type A guns (non-DP).
• Akatsuki will get the Type B guns (DP) and hopefully better speed. Since the main design difference to the Fubuki was more efficient boilers.
• Kagero will not be changed except of course having tier appropriate torpedoes. Type C guns (non-DP).
• Yugumo is a Kagero but with Type D guns, so DP again.

 

Still this strange jumping back and forth between DP and non-DP guns. But at least we have that black sheep at tier 8 and not 9 this time.

On the same note, the Shiratsuyu also uses the Type C guns, meaning no DP again after the Hatsu with its Type B DP guns. 

 

i.e. RIP Fubuki, your glorious days are over. Those hard hitting 65kts 21k dmg Type 93s were the bane of T8. She will be a mere shadow of herself.

 

The only hope being Akatsuki with somewhat useable Type 90 torpedoes. And Akizuki on T8. I won't bother with Kagero when they give it to me. Or on other words, it will have to have something special to be worthy of replacing Buky.

 

 

[Kais_S012]

so how will the off shoot work progression wise?

 

is it safe in assuming you split at Tier V (as shown on the listing) and then rejoin the 'main' line at Tier 9 with both the Akizuki and Kagero having progession into the Yugumo?

 

either way this causes me a little confusion, I recall wargaming saying they woould start working on current ship class off shoots (like the idea on splitting the USN Cruiser tree into light and heavy cruisers) until their 'Big 4' nations have fully fledged or almost fully fleshed out ship trees

 

[EsaTuunanen]

at Long range the Fubuki's guns can challenge a Benson! Much more Accurate and douse more damage. Unnerfed i think way to powerfull for tier 6

One salvo of those nuclear HE shells could take something like third of Farragut's hitpoints.

[fnord_disc]

Akatsuki might get Type 90 torpedoes, but I wouldn't bet on it. It would lead to a natural progression to Type 93 at Kagero, but also lessen the upgrade potential.

 

Also, wrt the Fubuki guns - Lesta can only change the reload and the traverse, the ballistics are fixed due to other parameters and changing the damage would deviate from the nation's design. So even if Fubuki's torpedoes might be meh, the guns will be incredible at T6.

[T_H_0_R]

Akatsuki might get Type 90 torpedoes, but I wouldn't bet on it. It would lead to a natural progression to Type 93 at Kagero, but also lessen the upgrade potential.

 

Seeing how Hatsuharu now has Type90, it is very likely Akatsuki will get them as an upgraded version.

[DominusEdwardius]

This is excellent news and I thought something like this may happen. What I think may happen to the various ships:

Fubuki at tier 6 will probably be her pre 1935 condition. She will probably get Type A turrets only (slow turrets with limited rate of fire and 40 degrees elevation so no DP capability). Her fire control system was fairly poor so I'd imagine a range nerf too. Torpedo wise she will probably get type 8s. Hit points wise she will have a fair amount less, her displacement prior to the refit was some 410 tonnes less and as a result her hit points will probably be in the region of 10500 stock and 12600 upgraded. However, her reduced displacement means she would probably have a top speed increase to 38 knots.

Akatsuki will probably be very similar to what the Fubuki is now, with a 34/35 knot top speed. Hitpoint wise probably be will probably be 12000 stock and 13900 upgrade. Torpedo wise probably Type 8/90 torpedoes. Gun wise Type B or Type B mod 1 mounts I’d imagine so it will always have DP capability and stats very similar to what it is currently. Since a ship of the class survived the war her 25mm complement may be quite sizeable. Basically a tier 7 current Fubuki really I’d imagine.

Kagero at Tier 8 probably won’t see any changes I imagine; she will be perfectly fine there but may lose F3 torpedoes.

Yugumo at tier 9 will be grand, a bit heavier so maybe 100/200 more hit points, but her top speed due to minor improvements was 35.5 knots if I recall. The biggest benefit though over the Kagero currently (the Yugumo is an improved Kagero in real life) is she has Type D mounts like the Shimakaze, so her guns will be very potent with the improved turret traverse and rate of fire over the Kagero currently. The type D mounts are also dual purpose so she will actually have AA! Furthermore, members of the class never loss the number 2 turret, instead two triple AA mounts were added either side of the smokestacks so she will also get a massive boost in AA capability with the top hull. This is a win win all around for Kagero fans (if there are any others ).

Hatsuharu at tier 6 will probably get a few minor nerfs, her top speed will probably be dropped to her historical 33/34 knot top speed (the 36.5 knot top speed is the pre rebuild top speed, during rebuild she became 330 tonnes heavier and a slightly different hull shape). She may lose her Type B mounts and instead be replaced with the historical Type B mod.2 turrets which the class carried post 1935 as the Type B mounts were rebuilt being were too heavy and structurally weak. The Type B mod.2 mounts lost their 75 degrees of elevation and instead only had 55 degrees’ of elevation. They essentially became quasi Type C turrets! Apart from that she will also probably lose the Type 90 torpedoes and maybe a minor HP nerf.
 

Shiratsuyu is very similar to the Hatsuharu as I mentioned above save Type C turrets and a bit more close range AA. However, she has quad mounts torpedo mounts and will likely have access to type 90 torpedoes. She may have slightly more HP and top speed 34 knots. She is also shorter and a bit wider compared to the Hatsuharu so she will likely be even more agile. She has a slightly smaller superstructure so she will likely be very hard to hit!

Akizuki needs no introduction really

 

There is also an upshot of this, the Kagero being at tier 8 means we can have a premium Yukikaze and the Shiratsuyu being at tier 7 means we can have a premium Shigure

 

[fnord_disc]

What really makes this news amazing is that it allows Lesta to completely rebalance the IJN torpedo stats on destroyers. I'm definitely looking forward to seeing the stats for the new Long Lances!

[Pajosaurus]

Fubuki torps at T6 will be completely overpowered. I assume WG are going to change them

 

I assume they'll lower their speed a bit, perhaps to old Mutsuki levels. 

[ImperialAdmiral]

It's is a very nice little surprise from Wargaiming.

 

Finally I have a reason to go further into Japanese DDs with the introduction of Akizuki.

 

[th3freakie]

What really makes this news amazing is that it allows Lesta to completely rebalance the IJN torpedo stats on destroyers. I'm definitely looking forward to seeing the stats for the new Long Lances!

 

5km range, detected at 4,5km, 43 knots, 1024 max damage. You read it here first. 

[fnord_disc]

That said, I honestly can't see a way Yuugumo would provide nicer gameplay at T9 than Kagero currently does - it's just an improved Kagero after all.

 

But Akizuki at T8 will be beautiful!

[Capra76]

Big problem I see is you're suddenly going to find a lot of experienced players with 15 point captains down at T6, Fubuki + AFT + CE is going to be a monster at T6, god help anyone who encounters one with an 18 point gunboat spec captain.

[DominusEdwardius]

by the way anybody worried what will happen to your current ships this was posted on the EU announcement:
 

"The destroyers marked in red will reinforce the current Japanese Tech-Tree in the near future. We are aware that the changes depicted in the image above may impact you directly if you own some of the ships from the Japanese Destroyers branch, as a small reshuffle has been done to the line. More details on how this will be handled will arrive later, but don’t worry—if you have unlocked a certain ship in the Japanese Destroyers branch that has been affected by the change, we'll make sure that you are properly compensated!"

 

reference:

http://worldofwarships.eu/en/news/common/japanese-dd-incoming/

[th3freakie]

Why is everyone so glad about the Akizuki, by the way? Is it an anime thing?

 

[fnord_disc]

Why is everyone so glad about the Akizuki, by the way? Is it an anime thing?

 

Dunno how it is for others, but for me it's just a beautiful and strong design. The class is also historically important with several famous members, though perhaps not Yukikaze-tier famous.

 

The ship combines great and comfortable guns with good (though few) torpedoes.

[piet11111]

Ok lets see what wargaming does.

Especially the dubloon camo issue can get messy.

[Nechrom]

Why is everyone so glad about the Akizuki, by the way? Is it an anime thing?

 

Uhm...

 

 

No?

 

Seriously though, I'm just very curious how it will perform.

It's so very different from what we have already, and a potential ~83 dps @ 5 km AA suite sounds insane on a tier 8 DD.

[Ictogan]

Why is everyone so glad about the Akizuki, by the way? Is it an anime thing?

 

It will be a truly unique destroyer with its Type 98 100mm/65 guns and only one torp launcher.

[Takeda92]

From the RU thread, one line is going to be a universal gun/torp line, and the other is going to be more focused on guns with fewer but longer ranged torps and the reload consumable.