[BLOBS] Spellfire40 Beta Tester 5,330 posts 13,776 battles Report post #626 Posted November 11, 2016 As long as Akizuki's HE being able to pen DDs, I think she'll be fine. It's not going to be a competitive ship, that you could use in ranked or clan wars, but it will do well in random battles provided she can any other DD's [edited]in a gun fight. If they didn't give her even that, then it would be weak. Yes vs DDs if she gets a jump on them after that they click smoke and dictate the Engagement range Aki cant do anthing about it. We really Need another situational anti DD ship do we? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BLOBS] Spellfire40 Beta Tester 5,330 posts 13,776 battles Report post #627 Posted November 11, 2016 Well you can say same thing for current Hatsuharu. It also could be out-spotted by Kamikaze/Fujin. While its concealment is noting special (7km) it's still stealthier than Farragut (7.6km) or Ognevoi (7.7km) and the same as Anshan (7km but with camo). Even at T7 only Shiratsuyu should have better concealment. But unlike Mutsuki you get one triple torpedo launcher more (33% more torps), two guns more than Mutsuki (with upgraded guns) and much stronger AA. And Mutsuki with just to guns at T6 or any other tier is just pathetic. And you have possibility to increase Fubuki speed with a flag to somewhere around 36.75km. it does thogh Fara is dam fast, Ogni too but with her detection range.....Fujin Kamikaze have 0 Problem killing Colerados Nagatos at t7 too more exp and credits too. Fubuki is slow and it Turn like a brick compared to Minekaze Mitski. Hatsu too comparable wich is why many see it as the worst DD in the IJN Setup atm. the Missing stealth module and the lack of 15 Point captains at t6 make fubuki much worse....and nobody Plays mitsuki with 2 guns atm but in the future you are forced too... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CR33D] fumtu [CR33D] Players 3,842 posts 38,963 battles Report post #628 Posted November 11, 2016 But you can gut in a gunboat that at least slightly outrun a cruiser.....or make the Torp reload boster not replace Speed boost on this one or make gunship speedbost last longer and give more Output if Aki dont fit the bill use Project xyz like they did on 50% of RU ships. realism not over balace...... I agree that some IJN dds should have torpedo reload booster as separate consumable. Akizuki definitely should have it. Maybe Shiratsuyu should also have it as a separate consumable and Hatsuharu, Kagero and Yugumo at least as a choice instead of speed boost. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CR33D] fumtu [CR33D] Players 3,842 posts 38,963 battles Report post #629 Posted November 11, 2016 (edited) it does thogh Fara is dam fast, Ogni too but with her detection range.....Fujin Kamikaze have 0 Problem killing Colerados Nagatos at t7 too more exp and credits too. Fubuki is slow and it Turn like a brick compared to Minekaze Mitski. Hatsu too comparable wich is why many see it as the worst DD in the IJN Setup atm. the Missing stealth module and the lack of 15 Point captains at t6 make fubuki much worse....and nobody Plays mitsuki with 2 guns atm but in the future you are forced too... Farragut have speed of 36.5kn. That's not much faster then Fubuki and its on par with Hatsuharu. Farragut is just far more maneuverable than Fubuki while Hatsu would be second best at T6 (very close to current Mutsuki but 1kn slower, 40m larger turning radius but 0.9s faster rudder shift time). And Mutsuki with four guns but with 12s reload time is also bad. Edited November 11, 2016 by fumtu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BLOBS] Spellfire40 Beta Tester 5,330 posts 13,776 battles Report post #630 Posted November 11, 2016 (edited) Farragut have speed of 36.5kn. That's not much faster then Fubuki and its on par with Hatsuharu. Farragut is just far more maneuverable. And Mutsuki with four guns but with 12s reload time is also bad. Well maybee ist just me inever hit much with the 2 guns. i did okish with the 4 when forced to use it. IJN just seems to lose so much Speed in Turns i had a Cleaveland once shasing me halfway acrosss a map in a Fubuki....with the new Speed modules ist a bit better now Edited November 11, 2016 by Spellfire40 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PRAVD] Takeda92 Weekend Tester 3,802 posts 8,478 battles Report post #631 Posted November 12, 2016 Well maybee ist just me inever hit much with the 2 guns. i did okish with the 4 when forced to use it. IJN just seems to lose so much Speed in Turns i had a Cleaveland once shasing me halfway acrosss a map in a Fubuki....with the new Speed modules ist a bit better now Yes, speed drops to about 28 knots in turns.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MPTV] DominusEdwardius Beta Tester 324 posts 2,096 battles Report post #632 Posted November 12, 2016 (edited) Just a shame Akizuki doesn't get the defensive fire consumable considering she pretty much has the best AA rating of any destroyer at the moment minus defensive aa effects, heck she can probably gives some of the tier 7/8 cruisers a run for their money. Edited November 12, 2016 by DominusEdwardius Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BONI] MoveZig Players 1,622 posts 20,823 battles Report post #633 Posted November 12, 2016 (edited) Has there been any word of what people will get for having ships that get shifted around? if I get Mutsuki now, will I get Hatsuharu and/or Fubuki after the split (since they will be the same tier)? Edited November 12, 2016 by MoveZig Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CPC] NoirLotus [CPC] Quality Poster 2,545 posts 13,159 battles Report post #634 Posted November 12, 2016 Nope, still no informations on how the split will be handled for the ships you own ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DREAD] 1MajorKoenig Players 13,110 posts 7,885 battles Report post #635 Posted November 12, 2016 Will the Split come with 0.5.15? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SPUDS] Comrad_StaIin Beta Tester 4,594 posts 20,080 battles Report post #636 Posted November 12, 2016 Will the Split come with 0.5.15? most likely yes 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fnord_disc Beta Tester 2,119 posts 5,245 battles Report post #637 Posted November 12, 2016 Split is most likely Dec 1st, then German DDs and Spee Dec 22nd. It's the only way to fit the DDs into 2016 and not release them with the split, which is what the goal is according to S_O. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ryouzanpakku Players 131 posts 1,021 battles Report post #638 Posted November 12, 2016 Do not want to read all 32 pages - did WG stated how will be this handled? Ie. What will you get when having ship xxx in IJN line before split? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PRAVD] Takeda92 Weekend Tester 3,802 posts 8,478 battles Report post #639 Posted November 12, 2016 Do not want to read all 32 pages - did WG stated how will be this handled? Ie. What will you get when having ship xxx in IJN line before split? Not yet, but they said you will keep the tier you're in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BONI] MoveZig Players 1,622 posts 20,823 battles Report post #640 Posted November 12, 2016 (edited) Not yet, but they said you will keep the tier you're in. If they mean for both lines, sounds like it'd be possible to have 3 our of 4 of the new ships waiting for purchase as soon as you log in, as long as you already have researched Fubuki, or 2/4 if you have Hatsu. Good good. Split is most likely Dec 1st, then German DDs and Spee Dec 22nd. It's the only way to fit the DDs into 2016 and not release them with the split, which is what the goal is according to S_O. Out of curiosity, why those specific Thursdays? Edited November 12, 2016 by MoveZig Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PRAVD] Takeda92 Weekend Tester 3,802 posts 8,478 battles Report post #641 Posted November 12, 2016 If they mean for both lines, sounds like it'd be possible to have 3 our of 4 of the new ships waiting for purchase as soon as you log in, as long as you already have researched Fubuki, or 2/4 if you have Hatsu. Good good. Out of curiosity, why those specific Thursdays? Unlikely. You will only get the same tier in the line that leads to Shimakaze. The 2nd one you'll have to to play from tier 5. I suspect that if you have Isokaze elited, you will have both Minekaze and Mutsuki unlocked. I think this is fair since WG is adding 4 new ships, so there should be 4 new ships to grind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fnord_disc Beta Tester 2,119 posts 5,245 battles Report post #642 Posted November 12, 2016 Out of curiosity, why those specific Thursdays? Because the updates are almost always on Thursday every three weeks. We know both the IJN DDs and the KM DDs are meant for 2016, but not the same date and the IJN ones come first. There are only two patch dates left. So IJN on 01.12 and KM on 22.12. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TTTX] Mayv Players 1,952 posts 7,021 battles Report post #643 Posted November 13, 2016 Because the updates are almost always on Thursday every three weeks. We know both the IJN DDs and the KM DDs are meant for 2016, but not the same date and the IJN ones come first. There are only two patch dates left. So IJN on 01.12 and KM on 22.12. KM DDs could easily be early 2017 now with the amount of rebalancing required for the RN CLs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BONI] MoveZig Players 1,622 posts 20,823 battles Report post #644 Posted November 13, 2016 PSA. the tree in the OP's image is apparently wrong/outdated. Both the one on the official page and in OP's link does not agree with the image OP has posted, which has Minekaze as the first torpedoboat and Mutsuki as a gunboat (lel). Sure hope they at least buff the gun range on the Mine, It just can't justifiably be called a gunboat right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BONE] CavScorpion_2014 Players 186 posts 8,552 battles Report post #645 Posted November 13, 2016 So which is which line - Mutsuki Guns / Minnie Torps? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PRAVD] Takeda92 Weekend Tester 3,802 posts 8,478 battles Report post #646 Posted November 13, 2016 It doesn't matter, both will have their HE nerfed anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nethraniel Beta Tester 1,739 posts 1,782 battles Report post #647 Posted November 13, 2016 It doesn't matter, both will have their HE nerfed anyway. And, as it seems, their detectability and torps also... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CR33D] fumtu [CR33D] Players 3,842 posts 38,963 battles Report post #648 Posted November 13, 2016 And, as it seems, their detectability and torps also... Wait what ... I didn't see any mention of change to Mutsuki or Minekaze detection range. So what are the changes? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PRAVD] Takeda92 Weekend Tester 3,802 posts 8,478 battles Report post #649 Posted November 13, 2016 Minekaze and Mutsuki already had their detection nerfed ages ago. Back then, they were 5.9 km but got nerfed when Minekaze lost her 10km torpedoes. It's funny, now that WG will finally remove the type 92 from Minekaze, you'd think they will remove the nerfs to her detection and torpedo angles. I guess they will receive the Mogami treatment! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MPTV] DominusEdwardius Beta Tester 324 posts 2,096 battles Report post #650 Posted November 13, 2016 (edited) I wouldn't count on it Edited November 13, 2016 by DominusEdwardius Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
