[CPC] NoirLotus [CPC] Quality Poster 2,545 posts 13,159 battles Report post #551 Posted November 2, 2016 The HE nerf was needed. Maybe but then give japanese DD the same RoF than US. Now you got another nerf on a branch that is already not performing so well ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DREAD] 1MajorKoenig Players 13,110 posts 7,885 battles Report post #552 Posted November 2, 2016 Does anyone know about the T6 Torpedoes? Fubuki 10km? How fast? Hatsuharu? Range/speed? Shinonome? Thanks in advance! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PRAVD] Takeda92 Weekend Tester 3,802 posts 8,478 battles Report post #553 Posted November 2, 2016 Yeah, because that IJN DD DPM was so overpowered am I right? Btw, the damage is now lower than the 120mm guns on the earlier IJN DDs, which is 2000. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CPC] NoirLotus [CPC] Quality Poster 2,545 posts 13,159 battles Report post #554 Posted November 2, 2016 Does anyone know about the T6 Torpedoes? Fubuki 10km? How fast? Hatsuharu? Range/speed? Shinonome? Thanks in advance! Fubuki & Hatsu : actual Mutsuki 10 km torps Shinonome : for what we know, stock Mutsuki torps (6 km range) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DREAD] 1MajorKoenig Players 13,110 posts 7,885 battles Report post #555 Posted November 2, 2016 Fubuki & Hatsu : actual Mutsuki 10 km torps Shinonome : for what we know, stock Mutsuki torps (6 km range) Thanks mate! 6km sounds kinda awful... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nethraniel Beta Tester 1,739 posts 1,782 battles Report post #556 Posted November 2, 2016 Encountered a ST with the Yayoi T5 destroyer yesterday... think that is the new Mutsuki placeholder... 2 gun turrets, 2x3 torps... was not very impressed by it's perfomrance, except that the ST probably had a 15 points captain so, I had some issues with it outspotting my Minekaze. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[POMF] Verdius Beta Tester 1,989 posts 4,247 battles Report post #557 Posted November 2, 2016 - All Jap DD 127 mm gun HE damages are nerfed from 2100 to 1800 (127 mm HE on Jap BB still has 2100 alpha dmg) Oh god no. HE alpha was the only thing that you had to scare of enemy DDs and one of the things to set them apart. Low turret traverse and low rof and low HE damage will make 127mm IJN DDs a pain to play at anything other than attempting to stealth torp BBs and stealth shooting BBs. Can't see how this will make them competitive since T8+ USN DDs can do that (better) and are far more versatile as well. Can't say that I am too thrilled at the prospect of having to trade in my Buki for a Kagerou like this either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CPC] NoirLotus [CPC] Quality Poster 2,545 posts 13,159 battles Report post #558 Posted November 2, 2016 Thanks mate! 6km sounds kinda awful... Shinonome seems to have a gunboat playstyle rather than torpedo-boat : no other T6 DD has 6 guns. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BLOBS] Spellfire40 Beta Tester 5,330 posts 13,776 battles Report post #559 Posted November 2, 2016 Shinonome seems to have a gunboat playstyle rather than torpedo-boat : no other T6 DD has 6 guns. It has the 3X2 gun coinfig but her rof is worse than Fubuki if i remember corectly think and her Overall stats arent better while her Torps are unuseable. So the only Advantage is 2 guns more. Good luck in in enviroment with high range secondarys and insane rof real gunboats. Well we Need a t6 Mikasa it seems it seems..... as a colector im hard pressed but i will probably buy her even if i dont Play her.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CPC] NoirLotus [CPC] Quality Poster 2,545 posts 13,159 battles Report post #560 Posted November 2, 2016 Yeah, with worst range, Rof and turret rotation, plus worst maneuvrability, Shinonome doesn't look like a ship to enjoy. It seems that WG has decided that IJN can only have shitty premiums (save for Kamikaze and Atago). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PRAVD] Takeda92 Weekend Tester 3,802 posts 8,478 battles Report post #561 Posted November 2, 2016 Yeah, with worst range, Rof and turret rotation, plus worst maneuvrability, Shinonome doesn't look like a ship to enjoy. It seems that WG has decided that IJN can only have shitty premiums (save for Kamikaze and Atago). The whole line looks bad now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zathras_Grimm Players 1,438 posts Report post #562 Posted November 2, 2016 no, they want to make hybrids (fubuki line) and gunboats (hatsuharu line) they want to temove torpedo boat gameplay If this is true then doesn't the IJN torpedo boats just become cruisers (Kuma)? I really do not know what has caused them to choose this route and will wait to see what it means. However, if they are taking the Torpedo boats away or changing them so the torpedoes are useless then, its a shame but that will kill the appeal of this game for me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vulgarny Sailing Hamster 1,546 posts 3,274 battles Report post #563 Posted November 2, 2016 The whole line looks bad now. So its not gunboat line,its not torpboat line its just simpy badboat line^^ 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CR33D] fumtu [CR33D] Players 3,842 posts 38,963 battles Report post #564 Posted November 2, 2016 (edited) Wow, they really found the way to screw them more. So their AP and HE would deal same damage as US one but with much much slower turret traverse and RoF. Shiratsuyu will have the lowest DPM of all T7 dds, both HE and AP. But it will have a torpedo reload booster, which is great. But I really don't understand logic here, Shiratsuyu should be a gunboat and they nerf its guns and (kind of) buffs its torps. Edited November 2, 2016 by fumtu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MPTV] DominusEdwardius Beta Tester 324 posts 2,096 battles Report post #565 Posted November 2, 2016 I suppose there is still technically a slight increase in DPM across the board, e.g the tier 8 Kagero (assuming the reload time is still 7 seconds from the early leak stats). Kagero new: 8.57*6*1800 = 92,556 dpm Fubuki old: 6.7*6*2100 = 84420 dpm You also gain 2500 hp (15100 opposed to 12600) and a marginal increase in stealth but... You also have 2 quad launchers so 1 less torpedo per salvo, only 2 possible launch directions and 25% longer reload time... Yay... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
anonym_1YeUldJS8pjx Players 847 posts Report post #566 Posted November 2, 2016 (edited) Well, I better stop reading this until they patch it. Looks like the boats are quite far appart from what they officially published about them by video some weeks ago. Lets wait and see whether there is anything enjoyable left to play when they release the ships.So I stop buying/rebuying IJN DDs and transferring captains until I know if it's worth doing so. Edited November 2, 2016 by anonym_1YeUldJS8pjx Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DREAD] 1MajorKoenig Players 13,110 posts 7,885 battles Report post #567 Posted November 2, 2016 Reading this thread is scary. Just started to go up the line and thought it would be a fun line but this... Wow let's see. I think WG went the wrong way making the long lance so bad. It was such a famous weapon, I don't see why it should not be something scary in the game. I mean torpedo soup - ok... But there must be a smart way to implement this outstanding weapon. From reading the thread one could get the impression that there is no concept for the IJN DD. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
G3Virus Players 448 posts 20,182 battles Report post #568 Posted November 2, 2016 (edited) The IJN DD line was the line that sold the game for me. I love the line, Mutsuki and Minikaze was my favourites. When I got my first 15 point captain the Minikaze was AWESOME, it made me a ton of money. I have bought like 40 days or so of premium at the most the past 14 months and Im at 170M CR, the Minikaze could do 2-3M CR in a Saturday on standard account just because of how good it is. Its so dam fun doing 100K+ DMG, think my record is like 176K and 18 torp hits at least. I won the Kamikaze R so replaced the Minikaze and it earns even more every day if on grinds it. 10 games can easily profit 2.5M CR on standard account and it has en excellent winrate. It pays for any T9-10 games or any new ships I need, it trains my IJN captains realy fast since it can earn very high base XP. Now some might say the Minikaze class is OP BUT its a boat with a lot of potential of you learn to play it right, also if you can play it you know how to counter it. So its not an Op boat or instant win boat if you cant understand how to play it, I have seen GOOD players complain how it "sucks", well L2P like they say. Most people just dont know how to counter IJN DD's and thats probably why WG are removing them and that sucks. I have at on of fun in them BUT I have no problem fighting them either. Its all about knowing your ships realy. I feel sad for new players that will not be able to discover some of the golden eggs in the IJN DD line, in fact I think the IJN lines overall are the most complete and balanced and fun ships to play from any nation, last thing WG need to do is to screw up on of the best nation that new players would enjoy and stay to play. I think this change and a lot of changes WG is doing will result in players trying the game then leaving, I sure hope no one tries the RN Cruiser line as there first line in the game because I would rage quit for ever if it was me. Maybe new players spends some money but most will just be frustrated after selecting a hard to play line for new comers, IJN lines to me have always been a recommended starting point for new players and they seem to stay around. Well I suppose I get to keep my all time favourite Kamikaze R at least, the old school IJN DD way of playing. I sure can recommend picking up the Fujin (same stats as Kamikaze R), Im pretty sure WG wants to milk anyone liking the old play style and I dont appreciate this overpriced ultimatum BUT its a dam good boat and can easily stand up against T7, it cost nothing to run even if you die so it only makes profits all the time and in my book its like having infinite premium account. Edited November 2, 2016 by G3Virus 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PRAVD] Takeda92 Weekend Tester 3,802 posts 8,478 battles Report post #569 Posted November 2, 2016 Wait, does the HE nerf include Shimakaze? The leaks don't include her. I used to think Yuugumo can finally stand up to Fletcher toe-to-toe but I guess the tier 9 is bound to be inferior to the USN. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pyro_O Beta Tester 41 posts 5,433 battles Report post #570 Posted November 3, 2016 The HE nerf was needed. Not sure if trolling or serious How exactly would it be needed to nerf the only advantage IJN has over their adversaries in terms of gun performance? It's not like the dmg advantage made them OP as their other gun characteristics are outperformed by SN and USN by far in every other category? Well it all can still change of course, but I felt the need to ask this *shrugs* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PRAVD] Takeda92 Weekend Tester 3,802 posts 8,478 battles Report post #571 Posted November 3, 2016 Maybe at this stage, we should be thankful they didn't remove HE all together like they did with some other line. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
anonym_1YeUldJS8pjx Players 847 posts Report post #572 Posted November 3, 2016 I sure can recommend picking up the Fujin (same stats as Kamikaze R), Well, this might be right for the Fujin, as WG does not seem to nerf sold premium ships. As Kamikaze R was an event price I'm not so sure that they will not nerf it like Minekaze. But lets cross fingers and hope for the best. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CR33D] fumtu [CR33D] Players 3,842 posts 38,963 battles Report post #573 Posted November 3, 2016 Well, this might be right for the Fujin, as WG does not seem to nerf sold premium ships. As Kamikaze R was an event price I'm not so sure that they will not nerf it like Minekaze. But lets cross fingers and hope for the best. Kamikaze R was available in the shop for purchase twice since Project R. I missed event but bought mine in June. So it is a premium that was sold for money. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
anonym_1YeUldJS8pjx Players 847 posts Report post #574 Posted November 3, 2016 Kamikaze R was available in the shop for purchase twice since Project R. I missed event but bought mine in June. So it is a premium that was sold for money. I think I've read somewhere that the sold one was just named "Kamikaze" while the "R" one was the event ship? I might be wrong on this - have never recognized differnet Kamis in game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CR33D] fumtu [CR33D] Players 3,842 posts 38,963 battles Report post #575 Posted November 3, 2016 (edited) I think I've read somewhere that the sold one was just named "Kamikaze" while the "R" one was the event ship? I might be wrong on this - have never recognized differnet Kamis in game. Kamikaze R was sold in the EU. I think that Kamikaze (not R) was only available on the Asia server. But seems that recently some players in the EU received in game offers to buy Kamikaze (not R) for doubloons. I meet at least one of them in the game. Kamikaze I bought is Kamikaze R. Edited November 3, 2016 by fumtu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
