Upcoming IJN Destroyer split

[Elenortirion]

 

Stock hull in screen shots maybe?

 

but stock akizuki did not had a triple 25mm mount and on screenshots, if you ask me that aft AA station is deffo tripple mount...

 

but it could be kinda valid point

[DominusEdwardius]

Interestingly this model viewer shot was just uploaded
http://wows.ga/?p=645
Showing the Akizuki in what is probably the final hull configuration with what appears to be

18x single mounts (32.4 DPS)

7x Triple Mounts (42 DPS)

4x 10cm dual mount Guns (83 DPS)

Total 157.4 DPS

 

This earlier shot must be a stock or 2nd hull configuration
http://gallery.wows.ga/akitsuki%20%20photo/shot-16.09.07_08.51.25-0595.jpg
It shows:

6x double mounts (30 DPS)

1x triple mount (6 DPS)

4x 10cm dual mount Guns (83 DPS)

Total 119 DPS

 

Either way that is a fair amount of AA! Now if only we could get defensive fire consumable... I kinda want payback on those carriers for all the times I haven't been able to retaliate in my Kagero 158 DPS is 2.3 times that of the Hatsuharu or Fubuki B hull (1.68 times C Hull) and 4.38 times that of the Kagero B hull

 

Edit: heck that is more than the Mogami or Myoko and any USN destroyer!

[SadPand4h]

kagero AA is sooo bad, the lack of DP guns on that ship really hurts 

[Elenortirion]

Interestingly this model viewer shot was just uploaded

http://wows.ga/?p=645

 

Showing the Akizuki in what is probably the final hull configuration with what appears to be

 

18x single mounts (32.4 DPS)

 

7x Triple Mounts (42 DPS)

 

4x 10cm dual mount Guns (83 DPS)

 

Total 157.4 DPS

 

that model looks interesting

it feels like bristling with AA gunz [is bristling even a word? lol]

[HarryKimII]

If I actually have fubuki will i get kagero, akizuki, both 2 or i will have to choose?

Which is the more likely option considering the politics wg used in past?

[Elenortirion]

If I actually have fubuki will i get kagero, akizuki, both 2 or i will have to choose?

Which is the more likely option considering the politics wg used in past?

 

hard to tell because the only precedences we have had were reshuffling the vehicles within the tiers, not splitting out the new branch with added reshufling ontop of that....

 

what we can be semi-sure is that you will still have T8 IJN Destroyer, and you are likely to keep fubuki at her downgraded t6 variant

personally I'd love to have a choice between kagero and akizuki (and keep that permacamo on the t8 ship regardless the ship I'd choose, so both kagero and akizuki would have to have an option of said permacamo......)

[DominusEdwardius]

I wonder if xp will get transferred across, I have some erm 753,000 experience on the Kagero so I hope that gets transferred to the Yugumo

 

[G01ngToxicCommand0]

I wonder if xp will get transferred across, I have some erm 753,000 experience on the Kagero so I hope that gets transferred to the Yugumo

XP earned on the Kagero is tier locked so that the ship that gets the Kagero's present tier will 'inherit' them and equipment, camos, signals and consumables will most likely be transferred to the depot or transferred to the tier IX replacement ship that the player will receive in place of the Kagero. Bear in mind that Wargaming can not legally take the players tier IX ships away without compensation as the players may or may not have spend real money on XP or credits in order to acquire those as that would be defrauding their customers so you have nothing to worry about - when the Kagero is transferred to lower tiers you will automatically receive its replacement ship in your port.

[SadPand4h]

XP earned on the Kagero is tier locked so that the ship that gets the Kagero's present tier will 'inherit' them and equipment, camos, signals and consumables will most likely be transferred to the depot or transferred to the tier IX replacement ship that the player will receive in place of the Kagero. Bear in mind that Wargaming can not legally take the players tier IX ships away without compensation as the players may or may not have spend real money on XP or credits in order to acquire those as that would be defrauding their customers so you have nothing to worry about - when the Kagero is transferred to lower tiers you will automatically receive its replacement ship in your port.

 

So now my Kagero will have the 830k exp that I have my Fubuki?

[Xevious_Red]

Quick question:

Just finished the grind on the hatsuharu. Do you think it's worth purchasing the fubuki as well? Hoping this way I get them replaced by an elited tier 7 with an unlocked tier 8 for alt branch, and a tier 8 for the main branch 

[Takeda92]

Quick question:

Just finished the grind on the hatsuharu. Do you think it's worth purchasing the fubuki as well? Hoping this way I get them replaced by an elited tier 7 with an unlocked tier 8 for alt branch, and a tier 8 for the main branch 

 

Just wait until official response regarding compensation from WG appears.

 

 

[Xevious_Red]

 

Just wait until official response regarding compensation from WG appears.

 

 

 

My only fear is that they'll do the change and THEN inform us of how they have chosen to compensate

[Elenortirion]

Quick question:

Just finished the grind on the hatsuharu. Do you think it's worth purchasing the fubuki as well? Hoping this way I get them replaced by an elited tier 7 with an unlocked tier 8 for alt branch, and a tier 8 for the main branch 

 

fubu is a good ship, handles actually better than hatsu

[JapLance]

Quick question:

Just finished the grind on the hatsuharu. Do you think it's worth purchasing the fubuki as well? Hoping this way I get them replaced by an elited tier 7 with an unlocked tier 8 for alt branch, and a tier 8 for the main branch 

 

You'll get the new tier 7 in the main line elited, and the tier 8 in the main line unlocked, just as you have now. For the alternative line tier 8 you will have to grind it from tier 5.

[Takeda92]

 

My only fear is that they'll do the change and THEN inform us of how they have chosen to compensate

 

It's not gonna happen. Even if WGEU will pull this off, WGRU won't and we can hear from them.

 

 

[Kenliero]

And how about people who spent 3000 gold to get premium T8 +50% XP camo for Fubuki.... and now it's dropped to T6? Aren't they kind of getting screwed by all this?

 

I mean you could of used Fubuki to train NEW captains with premium camo, then just retrain them in Atago for specific ship. That is what I was planning.

Now if you wonder why anyone would do this? Well, because I assume a lot of people would rather play Fubuki than Atago? With Fubuki Premium camo you have to play atago only the retraining part for specific ship. Not the entire 15 skill captain grind...

[Takeda92]

And how about people who spent 3000 gold to get premium T8 +50% XP camo for Fubuki.... and now it's dropped to T6? Aren't they kind of getting screwed by all this?

 

I mean you could of used Fubuki to train NEW captains with premium camo, then just retrain them in Atago for specific ship. That is what I was planning.

Now if you wonder why anyone would do this? Well, because I assume a lot of people would rather play Fubuki than Atago? With Fubuki Premium camo you have to play atago only the retraining part for specific ship. Not the entire 15 skill captain grind...

 

Come on, why do you think they won't put that camo on the new tier 8 or refund the price? 

 

They haven't even decided on how compensation is going to be yet. 

[fumtu]

Previews of four new IJN destroyers

 

 

 

 

[DominusEdwardius]

Hmm, two things caught my attention with that, Akizuki with 15900 HP and Shiratsuyu with 35.7 knot top speed? I really do hope that the 15900hp is for the stock hull and not the upgraded hull as that would be a bit of a nail in the coffin for the akizuki, her slow speed, large size, poor manoeuvrability and presumably fairly poor concealment means she will just be a magnet for enemy fire and so she needs the extra hit points to not get wiped off the face of the map.

 

edit: Yugumo is showing 13900 hp which MUST be the stock hull as that would be a massive nerf over the Kagero as currently is. I assume therefore the akizuki value probably is stock hull too?

[Elenortirion]

btw with that new news there is only one truelly new thing....

 

now mutsuki is "the gunboat" and minekaze "allrounder"....

 

EDIT: those vids feels weird imo..... I mean they've done weird things to camera....

 

as for the stats - for akizuki I'm quite sure this would be base hull....

[fully upgraded should have ALOT more of those 25mm AA]

[gawaing]

NEWS GUYS!!! they want elimante the long lance torpedo in this patch.

 

[Verdius]

"Along with these adjustments, Japanese destroyers within the main tech tree have lost their long-range torpedoes, as they were resulting in an increase in players taking pot shots." !@#$ing hell, they remove the entire point that makes IJN DDs unique from USN - Gearing keeps its 16,5km torps ofc, Fletcher torps will still outrange Yuugumo - and Soviets. Say goodbye completely to any chance of stealthtorping because you will always have to enter radar range. (not that the long range torpedoes were very viable anyway, WG saw to that already.) I don't think 20km torpedoes are a brilliant idea ingame, but at least give them some breathing space and allow people the option to choose. Instead of trying to find a balance of a more torpedo focussed gameplay style they just caved and opted to throw that idea out of the window without any compensation in return. I also find the potshots justification incredibly weak. 

 

This change will not make IJN DDs more fun to play or more competitive. It will just reinforce the current position of IJN DDs as being in the range of mediocre to masters of none.

 

"She had extremely long-range, high-speed, oxygen-fueled torpedoes that made her considerably superior to all ships of her type in terms of torpedo armament power." from the Kagerou description ingame. They probably have to edit out the long range part, since Fletcher and Gearing are going to outrange her if she is only going to get a max of 10km torpedoes. I really hope we will see at least some useable torpedoes with reasonable detection stats at the 12km range at tiers 8-10 so that there is some counterplay to radar at higher tiers (with the trade-off obviously being that the torpedoes are harder to hit their target) and allow the IJN DDs to remain somewhat relevant by offering the torpedo focussed playstyle they are supposed to have.

[tenacious_torps]

I think that may finally be the one patch I won't bother to install. Time to move on, if it stays like this. 

[DominusEdwardius]

There appears to be some slight differences in announcements:

Asia
"We intend to introduce a sub-branch stemming from the main tech tree branch of these destroyers and move the existing ships around. We want to distinguish between the two different gameplay styles of these destroyers. Ships of the first type serve multiple roles and are hard to detect. They also have good main battery guns and torpedo attacks. The second type of destroyer is better at using its main guns, and are thus with fewer torpedoes. Their torpedoes, however, have longer ranges. They also come with torpedo tube autoloaders."

 

The EU announcement says:

"What do we plan to do? We will introduce an additional sub-branch stemming from the tech tree of these destroyers and slightly move the existing ships. We want to distinguish between the two different gameplay styles of these destroyers. Ships of the first type are multi-purpose and hard to detect, with good main-guns and torpedo armament. The second type of ships have better guns but are armed with less torpedoes."

 

The US announcement states

"We're introducing an additional sub-branch of the existing tree, while slightly re-arranging some existing ships. We want to provide two types of gameplay for Japanese destroyer captains:

1. Stealthy, multipurpose ships -- good at main caliber gunfire and torpedo attacks

2. Destroyers with fewer, longer-range torpedoes "

 

the RU announcement (appologies google translate)

"The main branch of the destroyers, which will be joined by the newcomers Akatsuki and Yugumo, - it is more versatile and flexible in the choice of tactics ships. With low visibility, they are equally well able to use artillery and torpedoes.

Ships alternative branches, which will include Shiratsuyu and Akizuki, primarily rely on their quite powerful by the standards of the main destroyers of artillery fire. Although these are on board destroyers less torpedo tubes, at their TA have a number of advantages, including a good range of course.

The exact release date of the new branch and other details we will report in the near future. Follow the news!"

 

So it would appear the branch tree are getting better torpedoes with longer ranges and a reload consumable while only having 3, 1 or 4 less ready torpedoes? while also having better guns? Sign me up

[Pajosaurus]

I don't know what they mean by "lower range torpedoes" in the main branch, but I'm not overly worried. As long as it's beyond detection range of the ship, I'm set. I don't fire them much farther than that if I can help it anyway.