Ishizuchi range&AA

[thunder3oo]

Hello. 

As usual, support guys sent me here (well, I can't understand why they don't communicate with the developers)

But... anyway.
I raise again the question about Ishizuchi primary guns range. Now with the german battleships in the game, there are more and more enemies who outgun the Ishizuchi. Getting closer to 12,9 KM means Ishizuchi get destroyed easily and pretty quickly, since her armor is weaker than her BB "sisters" of any nation, and her HP pool doesn't help much, as she gets on fire a little too easy, for example.

Also, many CV players know that this ship has very weak AA, so they attack her first, most of the time. As she gets mixed with tiers 3-4-5 usually, she can't get much help from the team, since tiers 3-4-5 ships barely have AA to defend themselves.
It was outgunned before, now it became even more outgunned. Try to think about enemy team having 2 CV's. Or... even better, 2 CV's, one or two Kaisers with their 26 sec reload time. What about 2 Konigs? See my point?

So... a note to developers: take away those 25 seconds of reload if you must, but give us a little more range and some more AA.

Since this is an arcade game, it can be done. Anything can be done. Also, there are some unused guns on the top of the main turrets, looks like they are standing there for nothing. Sorry, fellows, but what you call "balance" in this game... some of use call "chaos".

In my opinion... Ishizuchi is not usable anymore. 
Please take this into account.
Thank you.

[ColonelPete]

Ishizuchi is not supposed to fight BBs. Hunt the cruisers.

And maybe now is not the best time to sail her.

[thunder3oo]

Ishizuchi is not supposed to fight BBs. Hunt the cruisers.

And maybe now is not the best time to sail her.

 

Most of the time I get Kuma, Phoenix, Omaha and Kirov. With Kuma - no problem. With the others... well, they have better range than me (and they know it). It sucks, really. Nope, is not the best time. 

[ColonelPete]

I had wonderful games with her. The german Dreadnoughts are a problem.

[deadly_if_swallowed]

Have not played her since release of German BBs so I don't know how well she performs against them. But I guess it is somewhat similar to going up against USN BBs. Use Ishizuchi's insanely good HE shells then. AP against cruisers only as short reload allows you to switch relatively painlessly, but HE has always been my main ammo with her, setting up to 4 fires in a single salvo.

Guess I will give her another try within this week

[ColonelPete]

AP works quite well against South Carolina, Wyoming and New York/Texas.

Take a look at the AP penetration curves thread.

[StringWitch]

I have noticed the thing with fire. Ishizuchi practically farms fireproof+dreadnought medal combos for me. No ship's fire stats are unusual for their tier, so I think it's just because she's so visible and gets shot loads. Improving range to 13.5km (still the shortest beside Arkansas without plotting room upgrade) and detection to 15km (still the highest at T4) would help a lot.

 

 

Also, many CV players know that this ship has very weak AA, so they attack her first, most of the time. As she gets mixed with tiers 3-4-5 usually, she can't get much help from the team, since tiers 3-4-5 ships barely have AA to defend themselves.

 

I firmly believe this is just because they see her first, not because they know she's weak. Arkansas, who has much better concealment, lacks any AA at all and I find myself rarely air attacked in her. Improved concealment is all I feel Ishizuchi really needs, but since she's supposed to be a 1921 depiction of the design, she probably should have a few automatic AA guns, similar stuff to a stock Amagi with Pom-Poms and quad Vickers MGs.

[tenacious_torps]

Just better dispersion might be enough to get things balanced again, but as it is I agree: the Ishizuchi is barely usable at best in the current meta. Dispersion imho would suit the intended role of cruiser hunter better than more range, which might turn her into yet another ship spamming HE at BBs mainly. 

[GoT_PcDealer]

Also, many CV players know that this ship has very weak AA, so they attack her first, most of the time. As she gets mixed with tiers 3-4-5 usually, she can't get much help from the team, since tiers 3-4-5 ships barely have AA to defend themselves.

 

I'm glad you don't have the Arkansas Beta which has NO AA AT ALL. Still I get by.

[thunder3oo]

Just better dispersion might be enough to get things balanced again, but as it is I agree: the Ishizuchi is barely usable at best in the current meta. Dispersion imho would suit the intended role of cruiser hunter better than more range, which might turn her into yet another ship spamming HE at BBs mainly. 

 

I (kinda) agree with you. Ishizuchi has both range and dispersion problems. Since I got used to this crappy dispersion, I could use more range.

[thunder3oo]

 

I'm glad you don't have the Arkansas Beta which has NO AA AT ALL. Still I get by.

 

Well, I'm glad, too. I don't know why Wargaming is selling things like this. As I said before, this is an arcade game. They can change these aspects.  What would they accomplish, anyway? Have more angry players, once the players realize what they have bought?

[GoT_PcDealer]

 

Well, I'm glad, too. I don't know why Wargaming is selling things like this. As I said before, this is an arcade game. They can change these aspects.  What would they accomplish, anyway? Have more angry players, once the players realize what they have bought?

 

Arkansas Beta is not for sale. Besides, ships on sale have specs known to the buyer up front and have more than 1 review on it.

[tenacious_torps]

 

I (kinda) agree with you. Ishizuchi has both range and dispersion problems. Since I got used to this crappy dispersion, I could use more range.

 

Since I managed to kill the friendly DD I was trying to protect and his attacker in one salvo once, the dispersion has become a bit of a thing for me... *g* Tends to stick in the mind, thing like that. 

[thunder3oo]

 

Arkansas Beta is not for sale. Besides, ships on sale have specs known to the buyer up front and have more than 1 review on it.

 

Those specs are never complete. Review, you say? Let me tell you something: EU Wargaming lied its customers about Ishizuchi in the most shameful manner. I compared the US and EU pages a few times and I have found many differences. While US pages dedicated to Ishizuchi were kinda acceptable in terms of info, EU pages were full of lies, more than that - they actually changed the lies, if can believe that, by describing the ship more and more colorful,  like it was some kind of "I kill you all" ship. It is called "false advertising", and in a civilized country this thing is punishable by law. 

[thunder3oo]

 

Since I managed to kill the friendly DD I was trying to protect and his attacker in one salvo once, the dispersion has become a bit of a thing for me... *g* Tends to stick in the mind, thing like that. 

 

Yes, I did that, too (hitting a teammate), annoying like hell, since you want to keep them alive... 

[ColonelPete]

 

Those specs are never complete. Review, you say? Let me tell you something: EU Wargaming lied its customers about Ishizuchi in the most shameful manner. I compared the US and EU pages a few times and I have found many differences. While US pages dedicated to Ishizuchi were kinda acceptable in terms of info, EU pages were full of lies, more than that - they actually changed the lies, if can believe that, by describing the ship more and more colorful,  like it was some kind of "I kill you all" ship. It is called "false advertising", and in a civilized country this thing is punishable by law. 

 

I have no idea what you mean, you could be more specific.

It was pretty clear that Ishizuchi is a battlecruiser, not a battleship. You could watch videos or read reviews of how the ship performs.

[Tuuletar]

Ishizuchi is very powerful ship in right hands.

Find your way to play it right.

https://eu.warships.today/vehicle/4286527184/Ishizuchi

 

It has this hidden potential

[Close_Quarters_Expert]

I don't think she needs anything done to her. As people will already have seen from my posting a full guide on here today, just a day after buying her, I honestly think it's a matter of play-style and taste. The weaknesses she has are there to offset the fact she's a very, very powerful tier 4 ship when used correctly. AA or lack of doesn't bother me at all on this ship as she can maneuver through most torp drops. The range can be annoying, but then again, most cruisers can only shoot to 12 or 13 at this tier, and she is kind of a cruiser, afterall...

 

[Tigdam]

The Ishizuchi is a pleasure to play and is one of my favourite battleships and I play carriers more than I do battleships. It may seem like we are targeting the Ishizuchi first but honestly most cv players don't and even if they did, it has the speed and manoeuvrability to counter an air attack at that tier. The fact it has secondary guns on its turrets that DON'T fire is more of an annoyance than its lack of anti aircraft fire or the range of its main battery guns. You really should use her as a close range brawler, target battleship primary guns, hunt destroyers (though a secondary gun setup on Mikasa is better for this :3) and delete cruisers with those 10, 14inch guns =3

[thunder3oo]

 

I have no idea what you mean, you could be more specific.

It was pretty clear that Ishizuchi is a battlecruiser, not a battleship. You could watch videos or read reviews of how the ship performs.

 

No, I will not be "more specific" this time. I was... in a previous post, where I highlighted  the things I found to be upsetting. 

[thunder3oo]

Ishizuchi is very powerful ship in right hands.

Find your way to play it right.

https://eu.warships.today/vehicle/4286527184/Ishizuchi

 

It has this hidden potential

If I had pretty good results in Ishizuchi doesn't mean the ship is good. The ship is  a mess, excepting the HE power.

[ColonelPete]

If the results are consistent, it does.

[Tigdam]

If I had pretty good results in Ishizuchi doesn't mean the ship is good. The ship is  a mess, excepting the HE power.

 

Sorry but I've got to disagree with you there, The Ishizuchi is one of my favourite ships and I get really good results with it. If its centre turret or even that second aft turret had a better ark and those guns ontop of the main turret weren't for show then I'd have the Ishizuchi over the kongo or any other tier 5 though even now it can certainly kill them.

[Cadelanne]

Agree with range issue. Combined to paper armor that makes her a bit ridiculous unless you got a kind MM. Any T5 and most T4 cruisers are outranging you, so are T4 and T5 BBs.

 

AA ... well, at T4 the whole CV & AA thing is broken and makes no sense at all. The way it is now ships have close to no-AA (except P2W premiums ofc) which make T4/T5 CVs OP. On the other hand if low tiers AA start to shoot down planes, well CVs are going to run out of planes after 2 attack run and they're going to be useless.

[thunder3oo]

Agree with range issue. Combined to paper armor that makes her a bit ridiculous unless you got a kind MM. Any T5 and most T4 cruisers are outranging you, so are T4 and T5 BBs.

 

AA ... well, at T4 the whole CV & AA thing is broken and makes no sense at all. The way it is now ships have close to no-AA (except P2W premiums ofc) which make T4/T5 CVs OP. On the other hand if low tiers AA start to shoot down planes, well CVs are going to run out of planes after 2 attack run and they're going to be useless.

 

The point is: ships which have absolutely no AA or very weak AA often fall in CV battles. Few examples:  Bogatyr, St. Louis, Kawachi, Kolberg, Karlsruhe. Also there are premium ships with the same weakness. Ishizuchi is just one of them. That "play in team" and "rely on teammates" in low tiers doesn't count, since they barely can defend themselves. While Wargaming bragged about improving the MM, I can see no positive change. And since they seem to be unable to get a MM right (even in WoT, which is much older than WoW's), I ask for more AA. Is my business to make captain have XP (for longer range AA), but is WG's business to make this game playable. Period.