Screenshots of RN cruisers

[Babykim]

https://thedailybounce.net/2016/08/30/world-of-warships-british-cruisers-pictures-armour/

 

I they all look quite nice.

 

And the Belfast premium with stats:

 

https://thedailybounce.net/2016/08/21/8166/

[creamgravy]

Neptune looks like a destroyer from the 1970s (or is that just me )

[Tyrendian89]

oh yeah have fun in Minotaur... that citadel looks about as big as on USS Citadelcola... then again, can't shoot what you can't see I guess

[creamgravy]

Tier 9 and 10 have display errors in the armour viewer.

 

They have the same layout/armour scheme to Fiji and Edinburgh, the large belt section above the engine isn't part of the citadel hit box as displayed. They still have large citadels though...

 

[ilhilh]

Ugly turrets but generally I like the look of them from tier 6 up - particularly the Minotaur (it has nice looking turrets).

 

But I was just watching another video about the armour viewer and god damn those tier 9/10 citadels are huge.

 

EDIT:  The Black Swan looks really cool too!

[ilhilh]

Tier 9 and 10 have display errors in the armour viewer.

 

They have the same layout/armour scheme to Fiji and Edinburgh, the large belt section above the engine isn't part of the citadel hit box as displayed. They still have large citadels though...

 

 

I really hope you are right with that

[Vogel]

Tier 9 and 10 have display errors in the armour viewer.

 

They have the same layout/armour scheme to Fiji and Edinburgh, the large belt section above the engine isn't part of the citadel hit box as displayed. They still have large citadels though...

 

 

Might I ask why you think so?

[Krizmuz]

Hydro, smoke and radar at the same time?

[tw53]

HMS Belfast ,WTF  NO torps.......Y not, she had them for real....

[creamgravy]

 

Might I ask why you think so?

 

Compare the side armour for Fiji and Neptune, the armour plate sticks out like a sore thumb. (Fiji sits lower in the water)

 

Here's what it looks like with the armour viewer (yellow sections) Seems fine so far, the engines get extra belt above them like on most ships.

 

...and looking at the 'ships vital parts' (i.e. the rough citadel hitbox location)

 

The red line indicates where Neptune's armour section has been mislabelled as 'citadel' instead of 'plating' like Fiji or Edinburgh.

Hopefully it's just an incorrect label/tag (there's plenty around) and someone hasn't messed up by modelling the mother of all citadels. Imagine if all ships had citadels high where the belt armour was... 

[Babykim]

HMS Belfast ,WTF  NO torps.......Y not, she had them for real....

 

HMS Belfast has lost toprs in a post-war rebuild, i.e. the current museum ship on the Thames does not have them.

 

Wikipedia:

Belfast recommissioned at Devonport on 12 May 1959.Her close-range armament was standardised to six twin Bofors gun, and her close-range fire direction similarly standardised to eight close-range blind fire directors fitted with Type 262 radar. Her 1959 radar fit also included Type 724 retained for main armament direction, Type 277Q and Type 293Q for height-finding and surface warning, Type 960M for air warning, and 974 for surface warning. In order to save weight, her torpedo armament was removed.

[Vogel]

 

Compare the side armour for Fiji and Neptune, the armour plate sticks out like a sore thumb. (Fiji sits lower in the water)

 

Here's what it looks like with the armour viewer (yellow sections) Seems fine so far, the engines get extra belt above them like on most ships.

 

...and looking at the 'ships vital parts' (i.e. the rough citadel hitbox location)

 

The red line indicates where Neptune's armour section has been mislabelled as 'citadel' instead of 'plating' like Fiji or Edinburgh.

Hopefully it's just an incorrect label/tag (there's plenty around) and someone hasn't messed up by modelling the mother of all citadels. Imagine if all ships had citadels high where the belt armour was... 

Considering that the last two ships in the line are blueprints, then it is hard to decide if this is an error, or if WG have determined that the citadel should be that high up. I personally thinks it is a baffling deviation from the rest of the CLs depicted in the post, but cannot say if it is right or wrong due to paper ships. Also remember that the last two ships have a longer raised deck area from the forecastle and further aft (Minotaur has it extended all the way to the aft of the vessel), when compared to the rest.

[creamgravy]

Here's a US BB showing the difference between the upper belt and citadel belt (much clearer when it's part of the casemate)

I'm 99.9% certain it's just a labelling mistake and they've been merged into one section for the armour viewer. Someone with a GM3D account could probably check if the Modules scheme has been added.

 

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[Ryuuteimaru]

HMS Belfast ,WTF  NO torps.......Y not, she had them for real....

 

Torpedoes where removed in a refit in 1946.

[Unintentional_submarine]

Here's a US BB showing the difference between the upper belt and citadel belt (much clearer when it's part of the casemate)

I'm 99.9% certain it's just a labelling mistake and they've been merged into one section for the armour viewer. Someone with a GM3D account could probably check if the Modules scheme has been added.

 

They have, and GM3D has even managed to get the armour viewers up and working for the ships that missed them. Quite a story to be told in regards to Budyonny and Shchors (115mm vs 75mm belts and long but low citadel vs very long and tall citadel).

 

Anyway, unfortunately only Neptune has the module viewer up. I assume the others are in the process of being made. It is probably enough though. Neptune does in fact have a citadel hump just like the armour indicates, so one would assume the same from Minotaur. So expect a lot of citadel hits... a lot. If Mikail Kutuzov had the nickname Citadelovich, then the two top tier RN CLs will be Lord Citadel and the other Stiff Upper Citadel.

[iFax]

Erm...

 

is the Belfast a tier 7 or 8 premium? From the what I've seen advertised the Belfast is in at 7 with the Edinburgh at 8 but they were the sister ships in the same Town Light Cruiser sub class... And are we getting the post war Belfast without torps or the WW2 version with torps as the the ship view doesn't look like the post war version.

 

Edinburgh class

Belfast	C35	Harland and Wolff, Belfast	10 December 1936	17 March 1938	5 August 1939	Preserved as museum ship in London
Edinburgh	C16	Swan Hunter, Newcastle	30 December 1936	31 March 1938	6 July 1939	Scuttled following torpedo attack, 2 May 1942

[creamgravy]

 

They have, and GM3D has even managed to get the armour viewers up and working for the ships that missed them. Quite a story to be told in regards to Budyonny and Shchors (115mm vs 75mm belts and long but low citadel vs very long and tall citadel).

 

Anyway, unfortunately only Neptune has the module viewer up. I assume the others are in the process of being made. It is probably enough though. Neptune does in fact have a citadel hump just like the armour indicates, so one would assume the same from Minotaur. So expect a lot of citadel hits... a lot. If Mikail Kutuzov had the nickname Citadelovich, then the two top tier RN CLs will be Lord Citadel and the other Stiff Upper Citadel.

 

Oh dear, all those overpens are now citadels. Spotted = dead.

Khabarovsk should be able to delete one in 20 seconds using AP at any range. 

[Armo1000]

Erm...

 

is the Belfast a tier 7 or 8 premium? From the what I've seen advertised the Belfast is in at 7 with the Edinburgh at 8 but they were the sister ships in the same Town Light Cruiser sub class... And are we getting the post war Belfast without torps or the WW2 version with torps as the the ship view doesn't look like the post war version.

 

Edinburgh class

Belfast	C35	Harland and Wolff, Belfast	10 December 1936	17 March 1938	5 August 1939	Preserved as museum ship in London
Edinburgh	C16	Swan Hunter, Newcastle	30 December 1936	31 March 1938	6 July 1939	Scuttled following torpedo attack, 2 May 1942

 

Tier 7.Post war 1950s rebuild version of Belfast.So no torps reduced AA and less secondary guns. However its hms Belfast as she appears now as a museum (1950s rebuild but ww2 camo) so technically IWM Belfast not HMS.

[Armo1000]

Neptune looks like a destroyer from the 1970s (or is that just me )

 

I know what you mean. Think its those Lattice masts. give off that RN cold war vibe. reminds me of HMS bristol somewhat(sept with 6inch guns).

[Wolfenbane]

I will definitely buy the Belfast.WG any chance the EU server can get an EU ship first,for a change 

 

[Unintentional_submarine]

 

Oh dear, all those overpens are now citadels. Spotted = dead.

Khabarovsk should be able to delete one in 20 seconds using AP at any range. 

 

Well angled they will still bounce most of a Khaba's AP. But with only 16mm structural plating the Khaba will just use HE and pen everything but the turrets and belt.

As I mentioned in another thread, the Khaba is ironically enough seemingly a hard counter to the top tier RN CLs.

[damo74]

Tiers 2-5 are essentially the same ship, with little difference between them. They look more or less the same. I'm probably going to skip these tiers as I suspect they are going to be utterly awful.

[Solo_Wing_Potato]

 

Well angled they will still bounce most of a Khaba's AP. But with only 16mm structural plating the Khaba will just use HE and pen everything but the turrets and belt.

As I mentioned in another thread, the Khaba is ironically enough seemingly a hard counter to the top tier RN CLs.

 

 

 

Hmmm, I think in that situation I'd stop firing and go dark.  With 9k concealment on the Minotaur the Khaba captain has to decide whether its worth getting close enough to redetect, at that range the Minotaur's guns should be mostly accurate.  Also a torp spread could discourage further pursuit.

 

 

All negated if your being spotted by something stealthier though.

[creamgravy]

 

Well angled they will still bounce most of a Khaba's AP. But with only 16mm structural plating the Khaba will just use HE and pen everything but the turrets and belt.

As I mentioned in another thread, the Khaba is ironically enough seemingly a hard counter to the top tier RN CLs.

 

Forget the 100mm belt most of the AP shells will be going through the 16mm + 38mm section, the citadel is so stupidly high and wide any random shell will hit it. You don't even get superstructure or modules blocking the way, just a lovely flat, empty deck with unprotected citadel directly underneath.

 

From my experiences with stalimium I estimate at least 25-33% of Khab AP shells will be citadels at 14km. The Minotaur player has 17 seconds to vanish before getting sunk vs a good Khab player.

 

[Unintentional_submarine]

I didn't mean the citadel armour. I meant the 16mm structural plating. That's enough to bounce 130mm AP. A well angled Minotaur will bounce Khaba AP for the most part. But obviously that Minotaur is then locked in. He can't very well turn and run (opening up the entire ship to a barrage of 130mm AP), leaving him very open to other ships' AP.

 

Yeah, it seems like the high tier RN cruisers are going to be Atlantas that have traded even more survivability for firepower. But that is firepower against enemies close in or enemies that can't maneuver fast. Obviously if they catch a Khaba close in, it will be the Atlanta scenario again, and even more so against other DDs. And further out they will only really be able to hit battleships.