Please fix Bismarck premium camo

[T_H_0_R]

Since it costs 3000 dublons to get it - might as well get the proper one for the gold spent. Not the half way painted over version. 

 

A couple more links with how the Bismarck looked / was painted during her short service:

 

1940 or no camo ...

 

 

1941 or "Baltic camuflage" ... 

 

 

1941 during "Rheinübung" ...

 

 

More info: http://www.bismarck-class.dk/bismarck/gallery/gallbismrhein2.html

 

 Another picture that shows the Bismarck in Grimstadfjord, the last stop before the voyage of no return. By the time she sailed that evening, all her camouflage had been painted over except for the imitation bow wave.

 

 

Based on the image above, this is what we currently have in-game - a half painted over version of the "Baltic camo":

 

In-game screen:

 

(they didn't even get the turret tops right... i.e. they were removed as well - all the more reasons to bring back the missing stripes)

 

EDIT2: Drawings added for further clarification.

[Myrmix]

Or we just wait for a Bismarck-camo-mod and get 10 port slots instead.

[AnotherDuck]

I'd like the Baltic camo.

[xXx_Blogis_xXx]

indeed baltic looks very good

[T_H_0_R]

Or we just wait for a Bismarck-camo-mod and get 10 port slots instead.

 

I don't need more port slots.

 

Links removed due to being historically accurate i.e. containing swastikas (which is against forum rules I've been told) that I forgot to mention should naturally be excluded from the camo as is in-game now. You can find all the info on the site and link that I have left in the post.

[G01ngToxicCommand0]

Yes it would be nice if the premium camo had been the real one used at the battle of the Denmark Strait and Bismarck's last stand but Wargaming just have to ruin it as usual - still not certain whether this always happens due to incompetence, ill will or both...

[Admiral_H_Nelson]

I really can't see how any camo other than the one used for Operation "Rheinübung" could be the official one for Bismarck (other than the inclusion of the Swastika - I understand that restriction).

It is the camo that I always picture her in, and I am sure that all other ship fans feel the same.

 

Plus (and I say this as a Brit), it can be viewed as a tribute to the brave sailors of the ship who fought so hard against such odds in its final battle.

 

Come on WG - forget the money for once and do the right thing!

[valrond]

I really can't see how any camo other than the one used for Operation "Rheinübung" could be the official one for Bismarck (other than the inclusion of the Swastika - I understand that restriction).

It is the camo that I always picture her in, and I am sure that all other ship fans feel the same.

 

Plus (and I say this as a Brit), it can be viewed as a tribute to the brave sailors of the ship who fought so hard against such odds in its final battle.

 

Come on WG - forget the money for once and do the right thing!

 

Well, I don't understand why the Swastika can't be shown in games, but it is shown in every WW2 movie. What's the difference?. If a particular country can't show it, forbid it there, let the rest of us use what was real.

[T_H_0_R]

First post edited with images of different camos. Thing is - she is now wearing a half painted over Baltic samo, i.e. as in the process of removing stripes for the said operation in which she was sunk. And that is what we would like fixed.

 

Personally, I'd go with the Baltic samo (swastikas excluded by all means) since it looks prettier than the one she had during "Rheinübung"... And in-game she already has turret tops painted gray (gone on the shown image and camo), more remnants of the Baltic camouflage. Just the superstructure stripes are missing.

[Sons_of_Horus]

According to this https://www.bismarck-class.dk/bismarck/paint_schemes/paintbism1941rheinubung.html source that premium camouflage was in fact used when Bismarck was on her way to Norway. 

[Gunerstile]

 

Well, I don't understand why the Swastika can't be shown in games, but it is shown in every WW2 movie. What's the difference?. If a particular country can't show it, forbid it there, let the rest of us use what was real.

 

Swastika cant be shown in this game because then you could fight under that insignia and win. In movies or games, swastika is worn by "bad guys" who in the end always get smacked or they are supposed to get smacked. You are not allowed to win (so to say, or should I say hurt anyone) under that symbol.

 

Edit: Those are not my rules so please no hard emotions towards me. 

[T_H_0_R]

According to this https://www.bismarck-class.dk/bismarck/paint_schemes/paintbism1941rheinubung.html source that premium camouflage was in fact used when Bismarck was on her way to Norway. 

 

That is the same link I used in first post, and quoted. You can't repaint the hull while the ship is in transit. 

[Sons_of_Horus]

Well, they painted the superstructure. And you think the pictures are photoshopped?

[Unintentional_submarine]

 

Swastika cant be shown in this game because then you could fight under that insignia and win. In movies or games, swastika is worn by "bad guys" who in the end always get smacked or they are supposed to get smacked. You are not allowed to win (so to say, or should I say hurt anyone) under that symbol.

 

Edit: Those are not my rules so please no hard emotions towards me. 

 

That's not the reason. 

Movies are generally considered art in Germany and I would expect in most other countries where the Nazi connected swastika is banned. Games are however not considered art for whatever reason, so Nazi swastikas are a big nono. Even games where you run around killing Nazis in droves can't show it, like the various Wolfenstein games.

 

The relevant code is translated to this:

"Subsection (1) shall not be applicable if the means of propaganda or the act serves to further civil enlightenment, to avert unconstitutional aims, to promote art or science, research or teaching, reporting about current historical events or similar purposes."

 

Movies tend to fall under that, games do not. Maybe it is a relic of badly updated laws, or maybe there is a good reason behind it (games are often living entities, so they could perhaps be considered possible havens for Nazi sympathisers to congregate at, while a movie can only really be watched, and then re-watched)? But that's pretty much the gist of it.

 

Given that Germany is a rather huge market for games, it is understandable that few companies will actively show swastikas. Some have different versions for Germany (didn't at least one Wolfenstein game go that route?), but most simply omit the swastika.

I believe France has similar laws, but I can't say if it is more lenient for games or not.

[T_H_0_R]

Well, they painted the superstructure. And you think the pictures are photoshopped?

 

Why would I think that? I think, or should I say the site you yourself linked says the camo was in the process of being painted over - to the (last) one shown in first post with which she sailed out to Atlantic. The premium camo in-game is most likely based on the photo of her last day in Grimstadfjord - over night they removed the rest of the stripes on the hull.

 

Even the turrets are wrong - they were not dark gray on the day she sailed out, rather they were when she wore the Baltic camo. Together with stripes on the superstructure. Even if the goal is to paint here the way she was on that photo, they got that part wrong too.

[Kazomir]

Interesting, why would they want to remove the camo BEFORE going out on a commerce raiding op?

[Ictogan]

 

Why would I think that? I think, or should I say the site you yourself linked says the camo was in the process of being painted over - to the (last) one shown in first post with which she sailed out to Atlantic. The premium camo in-game is most likely based on the photo of her last day in Grimstadfjord - over night they removed the rest of the stripes on the hull.

 

Even the turrets are wrong - they were not dark gray on the day she sailed out, rather they were when she wore the Baltic camo. Together with stripes on the superstructure. Even if the goal is to paint here the way she was on that photo, they got that part wrong too.

 

Turrets on Tirpitz are also wrong btw. Only colors the Tirpitz turret roofs ever had when using a paint scheme like the one in game were no paint at all and red. Meanwhile in game those turret roofs are black(luckily there's a mod for that though).

[Unintentional_submarine]

Interesting, why would they want to remove the camo BEFORE going out on a commerce raiding op?

 

Don't have any sources that give a reason, but I can imagine a possibility.

 

Lütjens had already decided on the very northern route, going through an area where there is practically never good weather, even in May. There it is probably better to be somewhat more obscure to a casual observer, than to have a camo that went for confusion, which would make a lot more sense in the relatively better weather in the Baltic. 

[Praxics]

Yes it would be nice if the premium camo had been the real one used at the battle of the Denmark Strait and Bismarck's last stand but Wargaming just have to ruin it as usual - still not certain whether this always happens due to incompetence, ill will or both...

 

The camo was painted over when she left Norway except for the bow wave. Therefore during the Battle of the Denmark Strait she bascially had no camo...

 

Bismarck during Battle of Denmark Strait:

 

 

That's what you want?

 

I really can't see how any camo other than the one used for Operation "Rheinübung" could be the official one for Bismarck (other than the inclusion of the Swastika - I understand that restriction).

It is the camo that I always picture her in, and I am sure that all other ship fans feel the same.

 

Plus (and I say this as a Brit), it can be viewed as a tribute to the brave sailors of the ship who fought so hard against such odds in its final battle.

 

Come on WG - forget the money for once and do the right thing!

 

But she shows the camo of Rheinübung! Well... one stage of it.

She was repainted during the course of Rheinübung.

 

See here: https://www.bismarck-class.dk/bismarck/paint_schemes/paintbism1941rheinubung.html

 

Interesting, why would they want to remove the camo BEFORE going out on a commerce raiding op?

 

To confuse the living crapout of the allies?

 

 

 

I agree with OP. I want the Baltic:

 

[T_H_0_R]

Basically all she is missing is the superstructure stripes. Turret tops are already dark gray - the last image you posted has them in light gray, this basically varied a lot depending on the month, per that site....

[T_H_0_R]

I went ahead and submitted a ticked, as a bug report. Got nothing to lose.

[AnotherDuck]

Nothing to lose, and a few buckets of paint to win.

 

[puxflacet]

...the german grey is also a bit darker in game. irl it looked almost white

 

EDIT: also small nitpick - isnt the stern black&white line on the baltic camo a bit thinner then the other two? on the photo it looks like that. but on the drawing they all seem to be equally thick

EDIT2: or maybe its just my eyes...this proves the effectiveness of the camo 

EDIT3: yeah...thinner

...anyone knows what from are those smudges?

[T_H_0_R]

Yeah, the rear black and white stripes do look thinner to me as well. Perhaps or most likely deliberately. On the last two drawings you showed turret tops aren't dark gray. They are in-game and on some versions of Baltic camo. All the more reasons to add those stripes in. 

 

Smudges are probabaly an error or smth. Did not see them on any photos and most of the drawings showing camo in various stages are without them.

 

This is the (permanent) camo Bismarck IMHO deserves and looks best in:

 

[puxflacet]

Smudges are probabaly an error or smth. Did not see them on any photos and most of the drawings showing camo in various stages are without them.

 

you have them here as well:

and they are clearly visible on the photo:

 

T_H_0_R, on 30 August 2016 - 09:10 AM, said:

Yeah, the rear black and white stripes do look thinner to me as well. Perhaps or most likely deliberately. On the last two drawings you showed turret tops aren't dark gray. They are in-game and on some versions of Baltic camo. All the more reasons to add those stripes in. 

 

i didnt mean turret tops. overall shade of gray is way darker in the game than it was irl