[K1NGS] thunder3oo Players 242 posts 32,728 battles Report post #1 Posted August 25, 2016 What the hell is this unbalanced crap you serve us, Wargaming? I met this Flint ship many times while sailing Tier 6 german BB Bayern, who doesn't have any kind of supplementary spotting capabilities, no plane, no radar, no nothing. Why the hell you let a ship like Flint, who has 30 (or so) seconds cool down on smoke - enter in battles with tiers 5-6-7? Because of its smoke, Flint is obviously OP. Just hide in the smoke and spam fire. And I mean spam. This is no Kutuzov, who has a bigger cool down on smoke and guns, this is way, way worse. I understand that people who got on place 1 in ranked battles deserved a prize, but to let them decimate us with that superiority is not fair. For any measure there has to be a counter measure. You have the smoke, I have the radar (or something), you sail a DD, I have a spotting/fighter plane. This refer not only to Bayern (which is badly unbalanced), but to all ships. Here's another example: Budyonny - which has no plane to defend against DD's. This is a tier 6 ship, right? No fighter? Why? Tier 5-6 German Cruisers have long range guns, good penetration, and still... they have a plane. Budyonny hasn't. Who's the guy who works on this so-called "balance"? He's not doing a very good job. As this is an arcade game, anything can be changed. So... I see three options: 1. Either you make Flint enter just Tier 8-9 battles, where people have access to radar (in the end, if a player was able to manage a 1 place in Ranked Battles, he must be good enough to resist in a Tier 8-9 Battle with Flint) 2. You give us the means to defend ourselves against it. 3. You change her smoke cool down to a value that is acceptable for tiers 5-6-7 ships. Flint fans... don't bother. I'm sure you're more than happy with your ships, but... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KaraMon Players 4,154 posts 9,221 battles Report post #2 Posted August 25, 2016 (edited) Don't cry Learn to fight against it cause whole new line of Royal Navy "flints" is coming Edited August 25, 2016 by KaraMon 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BLOBS] Spellfire40 Beta Tester 5,330 posts 13,776 battles Report post #3 Posted August 25, 2016 You know it shares Atlantas fire arc? If you stay under 8km of its smoke screen you have nobody to blame but yourself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robihr Players 3,168 posts 9,352 battles Report post #4 Posted August 25, 2016 but you already have defense against smoke. i use it in all tiers. just spam torps into smoke... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D7v Players 585 posts 13,149 battles Report post #5 Posted August 25, 2016 The ship is broken it is actually a super Gearing which can enter t5 matches. This game is starting to suck. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HEROZ] GulvkluderGuld Players 3,467 posts 22,114 battles Report post #6 Posted August 25, 2016 It is a tier 7 ship (a modified Atlanta), not tier 6, and other tier 7 ships have Radar (Atlanta, Indianapolis). Also Biritish cruiers coming soon are basically a whole line of Flints, so you better get used to it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ORSA] P4RDUS Players 380 posts 11,701 battles Report post #7 Posted August 25, 2016 I ve watched several games of flint and it really is broken. Many youtubers also thinks that she is OP. Ofc. some ships are better than the others and there are a few crappy ships. But i was always saying that all ships are kind of balanced at least not game-breaking, even the Imperator Nikolai. But flint is a whole different story. Btw radar is no match for smoke. Smoke has clearly much much much more advantage over radar. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D7v Players 585 posts 13,149 battles Report post #8 Posted August 25, 2016 Atlanta sucks at all also smoke is much more useful than radar for general purpose Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D7v Players 585 posts 13,149 battles Report post #9 Posted August 25, 2016 (edited) double post Edited August 25, 2016 by Vaspurakanian Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PAID] Yurra Privateer, In AlfaTesters 76 posts 11,721 battles Report post #10 Posted August 25, 2016 Another one of those "ship OP pls nurf it killed my super stronk boat boo hoo" topics.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ORSA] P4RDUS Players 380 posts 11,701 battles Report post #11 Posted August 25, 2016 Another one of those "ship OP pls nurf it killed my super stronk boat boo hoo" topics.... I have never encountered a flint so flint never killed a super stronk ship of mine. But it is clear as day that she is OP. Royal Navy Cruisers with smoke might be ok, i do not know. We should first wait for the release and test them. But the reload time of smoke on Flint is just insane. No cruiser should be able to spam smoke like that. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THROW] Takru Supertester, Players, Sailing Hamster, Privateer 3,851 posts 23,972 battles Report post #12 Posted August 25, 2016 Don't cry Learn to fight against it cause whole new line of Royal ROMULAN Navy "flints" is coming You had a typo there, fixed it for you. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #13 Posted August 25, 2016 All Flints I encountered were sunk, without the use of radar. Shoot them before they use smoke or after. Let DDs or other ships with good torpedos take care of them when they are in smoke. Flints are easy to handle. Many captains have trouble dealing with that ship because they notice it after it used smoke. And then they stay near the smoke and wonder why the lose HP to a small cruiser with DD guns. Most Flint captains perform equally or even better in other Tier VII cruisers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EsaTuunanen Beta Tester 3,552 posts 8,863 battles Report post #14 Posted August 25, 2016 Another one of those "ship OP pls nurf it killed my super stronk boat boo hoo" topics.... Well, why did other ships then lose closed beta level smoke? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ROGUE] t0ffik1 Players 280 posts 25,060 battles Report post #15 Posted August 25, 2016 Don't cry Learn to fight against it cause whole new line of Royal Navy "flints" is coming How do you want to fight vs a flint who has 120s smoke and 30s reload after it? as a multi rank 1 i know this ship is OP and in team play stupidly OP smoker... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #16 Posted August 25, 2016 DD get sunk in smoke all the time. Flint is even bigger... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THROW] Takru Supertester, Players, Sailing Hamster, Privateer 3,851 posts 23,972 battles Report post #17 Posted August 25, 2016 Totally balanced, comrade NA EU RU ASIA Battles 3,195 5,688 6,092 1,201 Win rate 68.27% 66.08% 68.29% 69.6% Damage 54,213 49,493 54,054 53,157 Destroyed warships 1.46 1.28 1.59 1.25 Experience 1.850 1.671 1.966 1.766 Aircraft destroyed 4.43 4.04 7.34 5.89 Kills / deaths 3.19 2.58 3.10 3.07 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capra76 Players 5,001 posts 7,787 battles Report post #18 Posted August 25, 2016 Totally balanced, comrade NA EU RU ASIA Battles 3,195 5,688 6,092 1,201 Win rate 68.27% 66.08% 68.29% 69.6% Damage 54,213 49,493 54,054 53,157 But are you showing the ships or the players there? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LXT] _interceptor_80 Players 385 posts 20,233 battles Report post #19 Posted August 25, 2016 The ship is broken it is actually a super Gearing which can enter t5 matches. This game is starting to suck. This I have ''nice'' battle on Estuary map Tier 7 battle, Im in mighty 20 knots speed Texas Enemy team have purple division Flint /Atlanta/Nagato (Scharnhorst is not released on EU server yet) From start I try to go other side than that division and maybe to deal some dmg but... My turtle ship cant escape from Atlanta in a middle Flint move in front of Atlanta and pop up smoke.... 1 min after I watch my port I run away from WOT becuse purple no lifers gets OP farming toys in clans campains /Obj 907, T-22.../ and I hope here will not be the same story 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THROW] Takru Supertester, Players, Sailing Hamster, Privateer 3,851 posts 23,972 battles Report post #20 Posted August 25, 2016 But are you showing the ships or the players there? These flint stats on all four clusters. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[KANNA] Kluele_SophiNet Alpha Tester 70 posts 10,795 battles Report post #21 Posted August 25, 2016 Flint is OP? Because she can set smoke for 27 seconds? Then you will have HMS Belfast soon, with 23 seconds smoke, 94 seconds Hydro(4.2km spot range), and 25 seconds radar. Enjoy to fight with it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TOXIC] ThePurpleSmurf Players 2,554 posts Report post #22 Posted August 25, 2016 Another one of those "ship OP pls nurf it killed my super stronk boat boo hoo" topics.... Well, even many rank 1 player say it is way too strong and OP and if you check stats sites you will see it for yourself. For example, the Imperator Nikolai, that is not available anymore because WG confirmed that it is broken op, has a WR of 58.77% as top3 ship while the Flint sit's currently on 66.08%. This is pretty huge if you consider, that ship ranks usually only differ by maybe 0.5% from rank to rank. This combined with another factor makes it extremely op. The fact that this ship is so strong and (almost) only people play it that reached 3 times rank 1 in rank season and they usually play in division, make this ship simply imbalanced. And then there is of course always the argument that not all rank 1 player are really rank 1 because they brute force the r1. Well, this proves even more that the Flint is OP, because if brute force potatoes play it and still can reach an overall win rate of 66%+ then how strong must it really be if only "real" r1 player would play it?! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TEA] Robber_Baron Players 1,322 posts 7,981 battles Report post #23 Posted August 25, 2016 (Never mind) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capra76 Players 5,001 posts 7,787 battles Report post #24 Posted August 25, 2016 These flint stats on all four clusters. My point is that the stats reflect the very high skill of the players, being a reward ship for reaching rank #1 on 3 consecutive occasions, and are not useful in comparison to the general population. If you have a look at the Flint's top players on Warships Today you'll see that they all have similar or better performing tier 7 cruisers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D7v Players 585 posts 13,149 battles Report post #25 Posted August 25, 2016 (edited) Flint has just everything that s too much AA torps smoke and rof small size concealment vs vs some of these must be nerfed Edited August 25, 2016 by Vaspurakanian Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
