Scharnhorst or Tirpitz?

[VonKafe]

Since the Tirpitz is now on discount it makes the price of both ships quite close. I wanted to ask which of these two ships would you recommend. I realize that the T8 premium will make more credits, but the T7 might have an easier life due to matchmaking. I have basically two questions: which one is more fun to play, and which one is better all things considered?

[valrond]

Get them both They are both fun and very good. You can't go wrong with either one.

[KPtja]

I feel that if you really good at aiming and hitting, you can wreck stuff with Tirpitz better. But for mediocre or poor aimer (like me) the Scharnhorsts faster reload seems somehow forgiving and nicer to play.

 

First feelings are that I really like scarn over tirpitz atm. However when I got tirp back then I really loved it too. And as I remember it I did really good games with it too. Nowdays I suck with it.

[xXx_Blogis_xXx]

Would go for Scharnhorst . since its have better MM

[Crusherheads]

Depends between the choise:

 

Tirpitz: 

 

MM between tiers 6 to tiers 10- mandatory of most of games you gona get is between tiers7 to 10 though.

Her RNG aint that great but theres games you can get 500,000+ credits depending how good u are and how lucky RNG benefits you.

Her armor is top notch at her tiers.

Her torpedos makes huge damage.

Secondarys triggers alot of fire aka HE.

She has a BB health.

Also has good caliber of main batery guns and reload for a 380mm.

 

When i bought her for 40+ euros, didnt regreted every peny i wasted at her, and she is now my tiers 10 credits sustainer and i veary happy with it.

 

About Scharn, cant say much about her realy but few things that i can say:

She has same layout of tirpitz with torpedos but less MM caliber guns.

She rekts everything if she is lucky enough to go into a tiers 5/6/7 match. At tiers 8/9, well good luck, u gotta be alot less agressive at that MM.

Good armor and health pool for a "battlecruiser".

Good reload at her guns(due for the low caliber), and her HE seems to be good.

 

Conclusion:

Tirpitz alredy got buffed and nerfed and i could say safely she is mostly done from twik's, if WG gonna nerf or buff her this day's will be just little insignificant stuff.

About Scharn, well she just came out espect nerfs or buffs and great work around her in this next month's.

 

If i was in you shoes and depending of ur wallet if is only for 1 did say Tirpitz, if u got no problems to face tiers 10(u gona get them around 30% of the times, also hour of time effect more, if it late, that 30% raises to 50%).

 

[aboomination]

• You don't have any ship above tier 7 so far and no BB above t6. 
• "Only" 633 matches played.

 I guess using SH's guns properly could be a challenge (!)

 

• You perform quite well with the Myoko, tho - so my guess is that you can adapt easily to SH's type of gameplay if you just think of it the same way - especially when bottom tier. Of course there are differences, but SH is closer to a CA than to a BB when it comes to choosing targets and ammunition. It's just that her dpm is lower but her survivability better, thus more forgiving.
• SH is more fun because of her rate of fire, turret traverse, the challenge to use her guns most effectively (Tirpitz = AP 90% of the time like the proper BB she is) and ofc her tier spread.
• If you want to seriously grind credits or want to train captains for German BB and also want to enjoy real BB gameplay while doing that: Go for Tirpitz.

 

Both are solid. If you don't know certain game mechanics yet, the Tirpitz will make it easier to perform well. You might have sad times in t10 games, tho.

[Crusherheads]

• You don't have any ship above tier 7 so far and no BB above t6. 
• "Only" 633 matches played.

 I guess using SH's guns properly could be a challenge (!)

 

• You perform quite well with the Myoko, tho - so my guess is that you can adapt easily to SH's type of gameplay if you just think of it the same way - especially when bottom tier. Of course there are differences, but SH is closer to a CA than to a BB when it comes to choosing targets and ammunition. It's just that her dpm is lower but her survivability better, thus more forgiving.
• SH is more fun because of her rate of fire, turret traverse, the challenge to use her guns most effectively (Tirpitz = AP 90% of the time like the proper BB she is) and ofc her tier spread.
• If you want to seriously grind credits or want to train captains for German BB aside from Gneisenau and also want to enjoy real BB gameplay while doing that: Go for Tirpitz.

 

Both are solid. If you don't know certain game mechanics yet the Tirpitz will make it easier to perform well. You might have sad times in t10 games, tho.

 

yup the good thing about tiers10 is that u can soak more damage in that match with is quite good for credits earned but yeah u realy need to be cautions.

[XbodzioXplX]

 

yup the good thing about tiers10 is that u can soak more damage in that match with is quite good for credits earned but yeah u realy need to be cautions.

 

Pure dmg is not a good XP/credits earner.

Cap/recap are better.

 

And I know that you know that xp/credits it is all about % HP you take from other ship, not their HP.

[Crusherheads]

 

Pure dmg is not a good XP/credits earner.

Cap/recap are better.

 

And I know that you know that xp/credits it is all about % HP you take from other ship, not their HP.

 

yup, its just my english sucks lol sorry about that. But yeah what i try to say is that match of tiers 10 has more "% HP" than regular tiers 8 MM. But its kinda hard to do that good damage due tiers 10 usual rekts tirpitz easely, you get fire more quickly, Yamatos, Montanas, Iowas penetrates you more at ease, torpedos from Shim, kageros, fletchers, gearings are nasty etc.

 

That why i wrote that u need to be more "cautions" about that kind of MM, but if you perform good, its good, you literaly not lose any credits even without having premium account but again you "need perform" well and by that is not by camping at the end of the map x) .

[XbodzioXplX]

That why i wrote that u need to be more "cautions" about that kind of MM, 

 

And I agree with that.

 

But I wonder why new players wants to buy premium ships? And why on higher tiers where you can and will encounter better players. The premiums are not better, they are different in some aspect.

More credits - maybe but premium account is better money earner. I now about collectors aim but if you're new to game you don't know how long you would play this game. And officialy this game is FreeToPlay 

[Kashuken]

Since the Tirpitz is now on discount it makes the price of both ships quite close. I wanted to ask which of these two ships would you recommend. I realize that the T8 premium will make more credits, but the T7 might have an easier life due to matchmaking. I have basically two questions: which one is more fun to play, and which one is better all things considered?

 

I ended up buying both.

 

If you do buy the Scharnhorst Supreme bundle the gold with it will buy the Tirpitz.

 

As for the ships, Tirpitz is a brawler for me, i cannot deal with the 20km firing BS half the time i need to get up close and with it i end up fighting DD and best of all i have sunk the last 2 DD that encountered me with torps while i dodged, secondary guns are good and the armor is strong.

 

Scharnhorst is an all around ship, set BB on fire and try and citadel everything else, secondary guns are good and it has torps with the same decent range of 19. something with spotter plane, again not a fan of long range shooting but do it anyways because 20sec reload for its main guns is sweet.

 

So far T7 is the sweet spot for MM, Scharnhorst ends up top tier mostly.

 

Both ships are fun and useful, i would recommend both because why not the deals are on now and will not get any better until the Scharnhorst ends up in the tech tree but that could be a long while tbh.

 

If money is an issue then Scharnhorst is cheaper and credits are easy to come by anyways in game.

[Crusherheads]

 

And I agree with that.

 

But I wonder why new players wants to buy premium ships? And why on higher tiers where you can and will encounter better players. The premiums are not better, they are different in some aspect.

More credits - maybe but premium account is better money earner. I now about collectors aim but if you're new to game you don't know how long you would play this game. And officialy this game is FreeToPlay 

 

Theres many reasons why ppl buys premium ships such:

 

Ranked matches, ppl perfer play a premium ship to earn credits rather buying premium account, or they simple think they are OP, and likes the ship, or playstyle is diferent. Mandatory i bought mine for credits earning, i dont buy much premium account unless a new line of ships comes out *cough* german BBs *cough*, aka research ships/lines you want, but that about it, about credits earning i use tirpitz for it, if u go check my status at game she is my top BB most played ;).

 

Also she is a great help to earn enough credits to play my tiers 10, sure premium account can do the same and u actualy can earn more than u spend more to play ur tiers10 but meh, i got friends and they most play tiers 6 or 8, during that time i take out my tirpitz or bliskawica or Molotov for a spim and earn some free XP, or raise skills of my commanders or earning credits, all of that with the fun i am having witht he premium ship.

[Pekoe_Darjeeling]

Why would I buy any of them when I can grind both Gneisenau and Bismarck? Just for fun? I can just throw some money out through the window and have fun watching people on the street.

[aboomination]

Why would I buy any of them when I can grind both Gneisenau and Bismarck? Just for fun? I can just throw some money out through the window and have fun watching people on the street.

 

Gneisenau is hardly comparable to Scharnhorst.

[Pekoe_Darjeeling]

 

Gneisenau is hardly comparable to Scharnhorst.

 

Oh yeah right. She's weaker because she can't fight battleships much especially at long range.

[Ictogan]

 

Oh yeah right. She's weaker because she can't fight battleships much especially at long range.

 

She can fight battleships extremely well up close. Staying at long range in a Scharnhorst one of the biggest mistakes anyone could ever make, coming just shy of showing broadside to a Scharnhorst in a cruiser.

[Pekoe_Darjeeling]

 

She can fight battleships extremely well up close. Staying at long range in a Scharnhorst one of the biggest mistakes anyone could ever make, coming just shy of showing broadside to a Scharnhorst in a cruiser.

 

You don't say.

[KPtja]

Personally I do not understand claims that scarn is difficult ship. I feel that just very casually driving and shooting things you get 60k damage done.

[MassTahh]

Both are great for earning.

 

Scharnhorst is way more fun to play imho. I would say it handles pretty similar to Zao (except invisibility part). You nuke broadside cruisers, you can hunt DDs (yes, it is turning good and HE shells wreck them nicely) and you set BBs on fire. AP vs BBs rarely give citadels but still does reasonable dmg. With HE however you will very likely set 1 or 2 fires per salvo... they repair and by the time repair is over you have another salvo.

While Tirpitz is a typical BB with great armor and emergency torpedoes - Scharnhorst is great all around. No matter what is the target - you can confidently go after it.

 

My vote is clearly going for SH! But Tirpitz is also amazing. 

[ShinGetsu]

 

Both are great for earning.

 

Scharnhorst is way more fun to play imho. I would say it handles pretty similar to Zao (except invisibility part). You nuke broadside cruisers, you can hunt DDs (yes, it is turning good and HE shells wreck them nicely) and you set BBs on fire. AP vs BBs rarely give citadels but still does reasonable dmg. With HE however you will very likely set 1 or 2 fires per salvo... they repair and by the time repair is over you have another salvo.

While Tirpitz is a typical BB with great armor and emergency torpedoes - Scharnhorst is great all around. No matter what is the target - you can confidently go after it.

 

My vote is clearly going for SH! But Tirpitz is also amazing. 

 Zao, really ?

To me SH is way closer to a Moskva. I tend to see her as a tier 7 Moskva in facts.

 

SH is honestly great. Very fun to play. However I doubt a novice player will really like her. You need to read the map correctly to stay angled (not bow on, angled) against the opposition, you need to be careful of her speed or you'll find yourself alone with enemies everywhere very, very fast. You need to know when to switch from AP to HE because the 283 requires switching very often depending of the situation. And you need to know when it is time for the Great Brawling™.

Also the HE are not very powerful. Their damage are comparable to an Atago, but with less ROF, less guns (okay, one gun less) and less accuracy. However the 20% fire chance is insane and BB catches fire like paper against these.

SH is the best all-rounder ingame atm. But it also means you need to be experienced with different BBs and CAs playstyle.

I demolished some with my Kutuzov up close though. Russians AP rules.

 

Tirpitz is more "classical". It's a great brawling BB, clearly designed to fight up-close. It prints more credits than SH and performs very, very well no matter the matchmaking, but needs even more map awareness to choose where and who to fight. Also unlike SH, her counterpart are Amagi and NC that both goes 30kts. And the other tier 8 BB are comparable in terms of overall performances in a match.

Oh, and with a good concealment build, Tirpitz is spotted around 12km. Which means you can get closer, fire an unavoidable AP salvo on an oblivious cruiser, get 3 citadel on him, and disappear while laughing deviously.

 

I don't regret every penny I spent on Tirpitz and SH.

[KaLeuWillenbrock]

i would say, that it depends on what you want to play.
 

If you want to play a classic battleship, the tirpitz is far better suited for you (imvho), the scharnhorst is a cruiser-battleship hybrid - basically a superheavy cruiser. you will wreak cruisers with her but exchanging shells with battleships at long ranges are not really fun (except you like to fire HE).

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[cracktrackflak]

It seems to me that Scharnhorst, whilst fun to play, is actually a long term liability to teams and, possibly, player stats. She takes up a BB slot in game matchmaking, yet cannot deliver BB damage and damage absorption. I.e. across many games, a team with a Scharnhorst is going to be worse off than a team with a different Tier 7 BB.

[aboomination]

yet cannot deliver BB damage and damage absorption

 

Wrong...

[AussieGiant]

It seems to me that Scharnhorst, whilst fun to play, is actually a long term liability to teams and, possibly, player stats. She takes up a BB slot in game matchmaking, yet cannot deliver BB damage and damage absorption. I.e. across many games, a team with a Scharnhorst is going to be worse off than a team with a different Tier 7 BB.

 

I'm a New Mex a Colorado player and I am averaging about the same if not more damage in the Scharnhorst.  You certainly do not play the same way but with the faster reload and the pretty good HE damage you can set fires on enemy BB's and toast enemy cruisers.  Get the ammo change skill and it's a 10sec swap time which is fast enough to adjust shell types based on angling and ship type.   Let's see how they play out over the next few months.

 

The Scharnhorst will get adjusted at least once in the next few months I think.

[KaLeuWillenbrock]

It seems to me that Scharnhorst, whilst fun to play, is actually a long term liability to teams and, possibly, player stats. She takes up a BB slot in game matchmaking, yet cannot deliver BB damage and damage absorption. I.e. across many games, a team with a Scharnhorst is going to be worse off than a team with a different Tier 7 BB.

​in this case, you are fighting the wrong targets or in the wrong way.

 

its ingame-class is a battleship but its essentially a superheavy cruiser and her job is to wreck other cruisers. this helps the DDs (and CVs) to dring bring their torpedoes into position. the scharnhorst simply is actually very helpful in terms of teamplay.