Atago/Kutuzov/Tirpitz

[brutus007]

As there is now 15% sale on T8 premiums - which one would you get if you can buy only one?

[xXx_Blogis_xXx]

would go for atago

 

[orlathebeast]

scharnrnrnrnrnrnroststs.

[Tuuletar]

Hard choice i would go kutuzov since there is too mutch tirpiz around.

Atago is great ship but i need to take 1.

[Panocek]

Crew training is worth considering - what is your "main" nation, or what nation you want to start? Atago greatly benefits IJN cruiser skills and can somewhat work with BB and DD skills. Kutuzov skill wise is compatible with both RU cruisers and destroyers, so is Derpitz with BBs and cruisers.

 

All three ships are good in their own way.

[chaosrealm93]

As there is now 15% sale on T8 premiums - which one would you get if you can buy only one?

 

atago often gets thrown into T10 matches and doesnt have enough gun to survive

i know i nuke them in my zao on a regular basis

 

too frustrating, especially considering you have to pay for the frustration 

[Aotearas]

Depends, what classes do you like to play and how?

 

From those named I have only bought the Tirpitz and Atago today and only played the Tirpitz for a single game so I can't divulge some founded insight, but ultimately all of them are quite strong ships.

 

Tirpitz is tanky as hell, Atago has the heal and is an overall good heavy cruiser, Mikhail Kutuzov is a good light cruiser with longranged, accurate guns good for killing DDs and setting fires to basically everything and has very strong AA.

All of them earn plenty credits as tier VIII premiums.

 

If anything, Tirpitz is the more unique one due to its strengths (very good armour, less alpha damage but good dpm, torpedoes and very agile), so if you're looking for a bit more spice it should do the trick. But I'm also very much liking battleships and particularily playing them more aggressively so that is obviously speaking in its favour as far as my personal bias go.

 

 

From a strictly economic point of view, you save most money buying the Tirpitz at discount, followed by the Atago. However ultimately speaking the Mikhail Kutuzov is the least expensive discount included so you may choose that one and have some Doubloons spare for other stuff.

 

Tough choice and I can definately say I know your plight since I had a very hard time deciding whether I should get the Atago or the Mikhail Kutuzov ... I only decided on the Atago because I had a nice 13 point captain sitting around that I could put into it, plus I already enjoy the VMF cruisers so much having a high performance IJN cruiser would provide me with an incentive to keep playing those heavy cruisers so I can finally get decent with them.

 

 

 

Alternatively, if it doesn't HAVE to be a tier VIII ship, the Blyskawica just got added to the ingame techtree as buyable premium ship (4800 Doubloons) and it's a very good tier VII DD, plus cost half or less compared to the tier VIIIs. I would like to recommend the Scharnhorst, but strictly speaking with the Tirpitz on discount being only negligibly more expensive compared to the unbundled Scharnhorst it's not sound advice as you get more out of the Tirpitz for basically the same price (however the Scharnhorst is a ridiculously fun ship, so definately a recommendation for that aspect!).

[Sub_Eleven]

The MK. I don't play battlesheep so derpitz is not an option. Between atago and MK I prefer the playstyle of the MK by a wide margin. Added bonus is that MK doesn't care which tiers it has to shoot, it is very competitive even against tier 10's. Am grinding both russian lines as well, having a premium for training / retraining purposes smoothens out the ride.

[Ictogan]

The MK. I don't play battlesheep so derpitz is not an option. Between atago and MK I prefer the playstyle of the MK by a wide margin. Added bonus is that MK doesn't care which tiers it has to shoot, it is very competitive even against tier 10's. Am grinding both russian lines as well, having a premium for training / retraining purposes smoothens out the ride.

 

You are phrasing it as if the Atago wouldn't be just as competitive against tier 10s.

[Sub_Eleven]

Tier 10 is a range game, which the atago doesn't have.

[Ictogan]

Tier 10 is a range game, which the atago doesn't have.

 

1. Use your stealth to get within 11km

2. Kite away from the enemy and burn them down

3 If you run out of your range, start at step 1 again

[Admiral_Noif]

All above 3 prem ships gives good credits and also very deadly ships with pros and cons. If you like BBs, then Tirpitz with torps absolutely. If stay at mid-range and spread some fire > Kutuzov and Atago.

[Marlekin]

I'd pick Tirpitz. I also like my atago, but one thing to remember is that you tend to get into tier 9 and 10 matches, which tends to be a long range game. Because of enemy DD's and/ore planes I tend to get spotted when I'm trying to sneak and get closer, my Atago tends to be at a disadvantage. However, the Tirp in a long range tier 10 game isnt all gold and glory either. 

[Xevious_Red]

Personally the Atago - own both and I really don't get on with the Tirpitz - been trolled far too many times by its guns deciding to do nothing against a mid range target that's broadside on and not moving. With the Atago you don't get the big devastating strikes but you can put out a steady stream of consistent damage.

The other problem I have with the tirpitz is its very good at brawling. That's it's ideal. Unfortunately frequently both teams want the engagement to happen at 20km leaving you the choice between staying with them (resulting in mostly misses due to accuracy), or trying to close the gap on your own (results in death).

The times the team does want to come with you it can be glorious. But frequently they don't. 

With more German BB now there might be more people looking to brawl so it might be a bit better.

 

So for me it's the Atago - sneaky enough to play as a big destroyer, accurate guns with very high fire chance, and can heal.

Plus if everything goes pear shaped, stop firing and run away while healing/launching torps. 20 secs later and you're invisible again

[ShockPirat]

Atago > Tirpitz > MK

 

Atago is most versatile of the three, has incredibly good detection range and will pretty much always be able to do something. Can stealth cap easily if there are no destroyers or planes nearby. Chews up destroyers like a boss. Has good enough AP if enemy CA insist on showing side. Starts fires very easily, and as such van do good damage to all tiers. It can even stealth torp if the situation calls for it. Pretty good at brawling other cruisers and torp rushing BBs. AA is pretty bad, but still has DF to screw up carrier drops. A bit lacking in gun range, but imo detection range more than makes up for it. Heal consumable makes it OP compared to other t8 CA.

 

Tirpitz is a brawler. It is good at pushing and short range fights. Sadly, most tier 10 games turn out to be sniping fests. Tirpitz isn't very good at that. A lot of people forget she has torps and get punished for it. Bad AA unless she specs manual AA, with that it's almost on par with NC.

 

MK is a support ship. It simply can't do much on its own. Has surprisingly strong AP vs anything that broadsides you at 12km or less. Still, will be spamming HE most of the time. Very good at starting fires, on par or better than Atago at killing destroyers. Has smoke for fleet support or free damage. Amazing AA. Pretty good ship, but as I've said it can't do much on its own and that's why I put it last.

[WarburtonLee]

Kutuzov

[159Hunter]

MK, suits my playstyle better than the other 2

[AnotherDuck]

Probably the MK. Planning to get and keep Bismarck, so at that point I probably wouldn't play Tirpitz much at all. Atago is nice, but I have enough Japanese cruisers with the ARP ships, even if they're one tier lower.

[anonym_EFwxJOPWzlER]

 

atago often gets thrown into T10 matches and doesnt have enough gun to survive

i know i nuke them in my zao on a regular basis

 

too frustrating, especially considering you have to pay for the frustration 

 

This is the problem with a lot of T8 ships, they get thrown into T10 battles and are often badly damaged or sunk before their own guns are in range

[thestaggy]

I like battleships. I like battleships that can get in close (New Mexico, Colorado, Warspite). From what I've researched the Tirpitz is a brawler. Ergo I'd take the Tirpitz.

 

Saying that though, I watched Aerroon's video on the Bismarck and holy mother of secondaries, so I'll probably grind my way there making the Tirpitz largely redundant. Thus I am likely to pick the Scharnhorst up as a trainer if it stays in the store and is discounted at some point. Or wait for a WWI-era battlecruiser.

[kfa]

 

atago often gets thrown into T10 matches and doesnt have enough gun to survive

i know i nuke them in my zao on a regular basis

 

too frustrating, especially considering you have to pay for the frustration 

 

lol Atago is the best ship of all three when uptiered into T10, your HE still deal 8k dmg per salvo on a Montana

[Ferry_25]

BB> T

CR> A

 

MK is IMO too situational (don't have 1 though so I'm not sure).

[viceadmiral123]

Tirpitz, in my experience, is one of the most fun ships to play. The cruisers, on the other hand, can be sunk quickly if you are not careful how you play.

[tajj7]

Personally the Atago - own both and I really don't get on with the Tirpitz - been trolled far too many times by its guns deciding to do nothing against a mid range target that's broadside on and not moving. With the Atago you don't get the big devastating strikes but you can put out a steady stream of consistent damage.

The other problem I have with the tirpitz is its very good at brawling. That's it's ideal. Unfortunately frequently both teams want the engagement to happen at 20km leaving you the choice between staying with them (resulting in mostly misses due to accuracy), or trying to close the gap on your own (results in death).

The times the team does want to come with you it can be glorious. But frequently they don't. 

With more German BB now there might be more people looking to brawl so it might be a bit better.

 

So for me it's the Atago - sneaky enough to play as a big destroyer, accurate guns with very high fire chance, and can heal.

Plus if everything goes pear shaped, stop firing and run away while healing/launching torps. 20 secs later and you're invisible again

 

Pretty similar experience my Tirpitz and ultimately frustrating. The ship obviously works best at closer ranges brawling, but 9/10 the team just doesn't support you and you die. So then you are just left with joining the boring sniper off and missing half your shots because RNG.

 

It's doubly annoying because playing a cruiser I'm often begging for a BB to get stuck in so I can support, but no one does.

 

So yeh I'd go with Atago as well, just far more flexible.

 

Plus I haven't got the captain up enough yet, but 5th skill concealment means the detection range can drop as low as 8.9km, so you can stealth torp. 

 

 

[damo74]

I was all set to buy the Mikhail Kutuzov two days ago, after agonising about with T8 premium ship to get, as I don't own any of them.

 

The HMS Belfast was announced as a future T8 premium ship coming soon. I'm now saving the money for this ship. How soon it's going to come no-one knows, My guess is 6-8 weeks