Nimmits Players 2 posts 35,536 battles Report post #1 Posted August 17, 2016 Who think the same as me over unfair battles from level 6 to 8 to fight against 2 levels higher. Level 6 have to fight level 8,level 7 fight against level 9 level 8 to level 10. Also when you have premium ships that we buy or win in the game, they are no match against two levels higher. We don't buy or win premium ships for filling up Higher tier matches. Hopefully you guys think the same as me and help me for more fair battles I wish you all good luck and fair seas! 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
80DeCiBeL08 Beta Tester 1 post 4,860 battles Report post #2 Posted August 17, 2016 Yea +1 When i play Tier 8 i only see Tier X Destroyers and Cruisers and Battleships, i'm no match for them (i feel myself as a meat shield) In World of Tanks Premium Tanks only encounter 1 Tier Higher here we must battle against 2 Tier higher 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blue_Bug Players 1,428 posts 7,991 battles Report post #3 Posted August 17, 2016 It is tier 5 till to tier 8. I don't have a lot of problems with it. Only that at the moment you seem to get a lot of batles where you are low tier with a tier 5 or 6 vessel. With a tier 7 you get a lot of batles where you are top tier. With a tier 8, I see no difference Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crazy5982 Players 102 posts Report post #4 Posted August 17, 2016 I don't mind it actually, it's far less punishing than it is with tanks. The only time I have a problem with it is when in a Colorado in a T9 game with little to no other T7s (Yes I have had a game where i was the only T7 in a T9 game on both teams). But that is the biggest problem I had with MM, now that I'm past the Colorado it is no longer a problem. It is more a problem with specific ships that perform poorly against higher tier due to certain characteristics (eg. speed). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SLOTH] txtspeak Players 3,041 posts 5,653 battles Report post #5 Posted August 17, 2016 I call b*llshit. my myoko can fight ibukis. my fuso can fight amagis. my cleveland can fight north carolinas I always have a disadvantage, but not an unfair one. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[COOOP] Shirakami_Kon Players 2,624 posts 12,776 battles Report post #6 Posted August 17, 2016 Maybe it's hard sometimes, but it's awesome when you manage to overcome a strong ship two tiers higher that you. I'll never forget the day I wrecked a full HP Iowa with my Atlanta. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] Aotearas Players 8,460 posts 13,076 battles Report post #7 Posted August 17, 2016 Naw. Sometimes it's bad, like say you're in a CV and the enemy team is full of North Carolinas and Michail Kutuzovs ... but mostly you can do fine if you adjust your playstyle to be a bit more conservative. Picking up the scraps as they fall through the cracks rather than trying to be the sledgehammer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[G0LD] Vincinzerei [G0LD] Alpha Tester 1,464 posts 5,529 battles Report post #8 Posted August 17, 2016 Who think the same as me over unfair battles from level 6 to 8 to fight against 2 levels higher. Level 6 have to fight level 8,level 7 fight against level 9 level 8 to level 10. Also when you have premium ships that we buy or win in the game, they are no match against two levels higher. We don't buy or win premium ships for filling up Higher tier matches. Hopefully you guys think the same as me and help me for more fair battles I wish you all good luck and fair seas! With great Respect.. you keep struggling at dealig Damage with all Kind of Ships in the entire Tree. Maybe do some Training or Watch some tutorial Videos about Aiming, Angling and Ammunition Choice.. About the Tier Differences You get more XP and Credits by damaging and Destroying higher Tier Ships then you are. You can always with any Ship shoot HE at someone else to set him on fire. If you use Ships with Torpedos.. use em.. There was some famous "fail" Platoons in the Past.. where a Tier2 was brought into a Tier X Match. The Horror for the Enemy Ships was real.. See Video below what this little Bugger can do at Tier7.. (will not be doable anymore with patch 0.5.10) Also also Premium Ships to quite well Against Tier 9/10.. Atago still one of the best Cruiser for teamplay.. Tirpitz also can Prove its Point.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xXx_Blogis_xXx Alpha Tester, Players 5,335 posts 35,510 battles Report post #9 Posted August 17, 2016 its typical MM , dont wish u always to be top tier time to time u get t8 games too Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[COSTS] Hanszeehock Alpha Tester 3,692 posts 5,959 battles Report post #10 Posted August 17, 2016 The same people don't complain when they are against T4 in their T6. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NIKE] Xevious_Red Beta Tester 3,412 posts 7,888 battles Report post #11 Posted August 17, 2016 In World of Tanks Premium Tanks only encounter 1 Tier Higher here we must battle against 2 Tier higher Tell that to my SU -100y (tier 6) that's constantly in tier 8 battles. In WoT, some premium tanks have +1MM but they're usually ones that aren't very good for whatever reason - like the Churchill III that's a slow tier 5 with a tier 4 gun. Apart from CV (they suffer from the extra AA), what ship can't do anything if it ends up bottom tier under current match making? I ask because I've killed Yamatos with atagos, hunted shimakazes with new orleans etc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fnord_disc Beta Tester 2,119 posts 5,245 battles Report post #12 Posted August 17, 2016 The only problem with the tier spread right now is that T7 totally lords over the T5s it meets all the time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[COOOP] Shirakami_Kon Players 2,624 posts 12,776 battles Report post #13 Posted August 17, 2016 The only problem with the tier spread right now is that T7 totally lords over the T5s it meets all the time. Oh my. That's some harsh acusation you said there. What makes you think that? Do you have some prove of that? http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/9009-what-were-your-greatest-gaming-achievements-today/page__st__2160__pid__1228867#entry1228867 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[IRN] Krikkio82 Players 528 posts 13,882 battles Report post #14 Posted August 17, 2016 The same people don't complain when they are against T4 in their T6. Does'nt happens anymore T4 and T6 are no more matched toghether. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #15 Posted August 17, 2016 (edited) Who think the same as me over unfair battles from level 6 to 8 to fight against 2 levels higher. Level 6 have to fight level 8,level 7 fight against level 9 level 8 to level 10. Also when you have premium ships that we buy or win in the game, they are no match against two levels higher. We don't buy or win premium ships for filling up Higher tier matches. Hopefully you guys think the same as me and help me for more fair battles I wish you all good luck and fair seas! I play like this for over 12 months now. Would it be easier to play vs +1? Yes. Would it be easier to play vs +0? Yes. Would it be easier to play vs +0 vs players that are weaker than you. Yes. Is anything of that necessary? No. The ships work quite well against ships two Tiers higher. Edited August 17, 2016 by ColonelPete Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ferry_25 Players 4,392 posts 12,107 battles Report post #16 Posted August 17, 2016 IMO MM has greatly improved in the last patches. Quite balanced matches. I see lineups every direction. In roughly 33% of the cases I'm low, mid or toptier. Only matches that suck are when you're the only 1 bottom tier ship. They could work a bit on distribution in MM. I'd rather wait in queue for another minute for that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BFT] basharran Beta Tester 260 posts 3,008 battles Report post #17 Posted August 18, 2016 Overall balance is indeed much improved, but I would like to see a more evenly spread in the tiers. In many cases you are for instance 1 of 4 tier 6 cruisers (2 on each team), rest is tier 7 and 8. In those cases you can feel a bit like "filler" to these games. I am currently recording all my games in a spreadsheet logging some data: own tier, type of ship, nation, highest tier in battle, in division or solo and win or loose. Currently I have recorded 28 battles in this matter, when I get some more (around 50 orso) I will post the results here on the forums. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richard_Gilbertson Players 2 posts Report post #18 Posted September 13, 2016 The same people don't complain when they are against T4 in their T6. Totally a lie! Totally wrong and you live in a bubble if you believe this. Since I have been getting stuck in T6 fights with my T4 TD I get less XP than I used to and often it costs more to play as damage repair is insane! T6 can see FARTHER so my Spotting is useless as they see me first. (What is my reason to exist in game other then be cannon fodder?) T6 can shoot FARTHER and HARDER then my T4 TD. (What is my reason to shoot as I do so little damage?) T6 can outrun me so I can not escape them or get away What is my reason to spot if after I see one they kill me?) Now if you want to make some BS excuse that skill makes a difference please tell me why I am playing a game that is not fun? (I thought that was the point of games?) If I wanted to make this my job I should get paid for doing this. Now if you are having fun it may be because you have Elite Upgraded Overpowered Tanks killing T4's with ease! This is why WoT is losing players, it is not fun for NEW PLAYERS, and without new players all games DIE for good reason........NOT FUN! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CBS] Allied_Winter Players 6,242 posts 10,755 battles Report post #19 Posted September 13, 2016 Totally a lie! Totally wrong and you live in a bubble if you believe this. Since I have been getting stuck in T6 fights with my T4 TD I get less XP than I used to and often it costs more to play as damage repair is insane! T6 can see FARTHER so my Spotting is useless as they see me first. (What is my reason to exist in game other then be cannon fodder?) T6 can shoot FARTHER and HARDER then my T4 TD. (What is my reason to shoot as I do so little damage?) T6 can outrun me so I can not escape them or get away What is my reason to spot if after I see one they kill me?) Now if you want to make some BS excuse that skill makes a difference please tell me why I am playing a game that is not fun? (I thought that was the point of games?) If I wanted to make this my job I should get paid for doing this. Now if you are having fun it may be because you have Elite Upgraded Overpowered Tanks killing T4's with ease! This is why WoT is losing players, it is not fun for NEW PLAYERS, and without new players all games DIE for good reason........NOT FUN! Sorry to burst your bubble, but ähm...wrong game. This is Warships ;) Greetings 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] SV_Kompresor Beta Tester, Players, In AlfaTesters 5,868 posts Report post #20 Posted September 13, 2016 (edited) Lol crying again?.... Also, no the +-2 tiers difference is just fine, the mm should just limit the number of top tier ships in a battle, so they're always a minority Edited September 13, 2016 by domen3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] aboomination Players 5,763 posts 16,940 battles Report post #21 Posted September 13, 2016 OP: After 3365 matches you should be able to deal with it. At least WG thinks that (I think that, too). Only tiers that are in a rough spot are 5 and 6, for obvious reasons. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LONR] thestaggy Beta Tester 403 posts 7,718 battles Report post #22 Posted September 13, 2016 (edited) I call b*llshit. my myoko can fight ibukis. my fuso can fight amagis. my cleveland can fight north carolinas I always have a disadvantage, but not an unfair one. Tell me how a tier 6 dreadnought (ie, slow as f***) with 16/17 km range is supposed to compete with a camping reversing sniping Amagi/North Carolina launching 16-inch shells from 20 km away? A North Carolina can be untouchable for a Warspite or New Mexico even if they have their spotters up and I'm sure you know, tier 8+ tgameplay changes drastically and none of those tier 8s will have any reason to get within 15/16 km of you. Your Fuso can fight North Carolina's because your range allows you to tickle them, but there are a number of ships that are completely outclassed. Edited September 13, 2016 by thestaggy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shockinhockin Beta Tester 449 posts 3,291 battles Report post #23 Posted September 13, 2016 Some of my best games have been in t6 in t8 games. Namly warspite. You just have to use your head a bit more and pick your fights but I have no problems engaging t8 ships and winning in the correct situation Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NIKE] Xevious_Red Beta Tester 3,412 posts 7,888 battles Report post #24 Posted September 13, 2016 Firstly stop trying to fight the tier 8 battleship at range. It clearly isnt your target for this match. If the enemy NC/Amagi wants to sit bow on 20km away firing 4/6 shells then let them. The warspite turns on a dime so every 30 secs you just adjust course to avoid them. Advance up to near the objectives - there you'll be in a position to shoot enemy cruisers and destroyers instead. The warspite's turning circle (560m) is so tight that it's better than some destroyers. Which means is perfectly at home in island's. You have to be a bit careful and it goes without saying that you're not going to go there alone, but it can manouever there which the tier 8 BB can't. This means you can use hardcover to protect yourself from the NC/Amagi. It also means you can work with friendly DD to flush enemy DD - the friendly ones spot them, and your combined main guns + 7.2km secondaries (all HE) chew holes out of them. If they try torping you you're agile enough to just avoid them If the enemy BB are still 20km away from the objective they're of no use and can be ignored. If not then you can now shoot them. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[F1REU] GoodhopeNL Beta Tester 10 posts 27,437 battles Report post #25 Posted June 12, 2019 the whole game is not fair.Wow suck in Ranked . 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites