every game lost, think of giving up already

[Rabid_Turnip]

 

Blame your losses on your team if you want, but honestly it is up to you to do your best and do whatever you can to win the battles. If you do the right things and perfomr well, you will gain more wins than losses. Simple as that.

 

 

Do my best and try to win battles? I do that every single game. And today, oh look - 3 defeats in a row again straight away, me working my arse off and getting kills every game, in the top 3 on my team every game, loser team every game. It is not possible for it to be random that I am constantly so unlucky with the teams I am forced on to game after game after game, night after night after night.

 

EDIT: and oh look even more defeats - again I work hard, get kills, again forced to endure nothing but defeats. 5 in a row now. Every single day now, no matter how hard I try, no matter how many kills I get or how much damage I do, the game forces me to be on the losing team. That is a fact. This is not random. Trying to have fun in this game is so frustrating and unrewarding when the game itself refuses to acknowledge or reward your efforts, at all, ever, and in fact goes out of its way to kick you in the balls over and over and over and over.  

[RegularLogic]

MM forces me onto Team Loser SIX times in a row. SIX defeats shoved down my throat, me in top 4 of team every game except one...ALL DEFEATS. Unbelievable. This is rigged, I've never seen endless streaks of repeated losses like this except in WG games, and I'm obviously far from the only one reporting this

 

There's a recurring variable in each of those 6 defeats, can you guess what it is?

 

Trollish comment aside, try to calm yourself with regard to winning/losing. If something isn't working at the current time, why would doing it a further 5 times change this?

 

If you're having difficulty in understanding the concept of "fun" and "gameplay" I suggest you rethink the whole appeal of this game, and what has drawn you to it.

 

Everyone has a part of the game which they enjoy, a class which they play, a map they enjoy, assisting allies or doing high damage/citadels/torp hits.

 

If your focus is just on winning, and not your individual performance or achieving your own specific goals, you're in for a very sad and honestly very unfulfilling gameplay experience, friend.

 

[Rabid_Turnip]

Wow, kind of condescending, yes? 16 years' experience of online gaming here, I think I know why I game; I try to have fun, but endlessly losing when it's not my fault is not fun. Especially when stat warrior morons keep going "OMG UR WR LOLZ" as happens so much in this game's 'community'. I've been trying to grind Mogami because I think she's juts a beautiful ship, but getting there has been absolute misery.

 

And I just finally managed to get put on a team that managed, just, to scrape a win. I didn't do anything different, they did.  

[JiksTBS]

Wow, kind of condescending, yes? 16 years' experience of online gaming here, I think I know why I game; I try to have fun, but endlessly losing when it's not my fault is not fun. Especially when stat warrior morons keep going "OMG UR WR LOLZ" as happens so much in this game's 'community'. I've been trying to grind Mogami because I think she's juts a beautiful ship, but getting there has been absolute misery.

 

And I just finally managed to get put on a team that managed, just, to scrape a win. I didn't do anything different, they did.  

 

Two possibilities exist:

 

(i) The MM is rigged specifically to cause you to lose. Furthermore, some mysterious "thing" is done to your team in game to make their shells miss and for them to otherwise perform badly.

(ii) You are doing something wrong.

 

Now which sounds more likely? With (i) I don't know why or indeed how WG would/could arrange that. On that basis (ii) seems to be true, especially since your personal stats are sub-par. That is good news as you can improve, if you accept responsibility for you own performance. Do that and the wins will come. Don't and most games will continue to end in frustration & defeat.

[Plaztma]

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[Plaztma]

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[Rabid_Turnip]

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[Rabid_Turnip]

Finally managed to get a couple of decent games...again, I didn't do anything differently...

[Omnichr0n]

Finally managed to get a couple of decent games...again, I didn't do anything differently...

 

I didn't do anything different last night either, but ended up with 25% WR... so yes, sometimes you just can't do enough to win the games.

 

That being said, if you have consistently a bad WR I would advice you to try and figure out the other factors that makes you lose games rather than being angry about the team (because the team you get is random so you can't really do anything about that).

 

I see that you play a lot of cruisers and do quite well in them actually... however, todays meta might be a bit frustrating with them, as you get tons of BBs against you who can easily take you out in one salvo if you do a little mistake.

 

You do have a decent survival rate though, but your average damage/kills per game isn't up to par. Is this because you are too far away from targets, miss a lot of shots, or move to positions where you aren't able to do as much in the game?

 

If you want to get a better WR, the only advice I have is to work better with your team and become a better player. To get there, you could spend a bit more time analyzing your games each time and figure out what you could have done better (no matter how much it feels like your team is [edited]things up for you). I would also suggest checking out some of the streamers that do quite well in the game and some of the youtube videos.

 

Also, if you focus a lot on a few ships that works in a similar way, there is a better chance you can do really well in them. Don't be afraid to play and learn a few things in lower tiers too. Ships like Furutaka and Clemson teached me a lot about how to play cruisers and destroyers.

[rjotto77]

Or not:

 

And it was the same after last Sunday. If my memory is correct, only 2 battles was a Win in ~7 days. But as always, its just me. 0 and 1056 damage with Batthelships all day long. Suddenly I forgot how and where to shot. Correct.

[Rabid_Turnip]

Welcome to my life.../headdesk

 

 

[mir_vam_voin]

love

 

[Yaffle1234]

I don't what the debate is..... Wargaming have published the fact players win rate is managed - either to knock it down or up. That's why these ridiculous win/loss streaks are experienced, of course its true a gifted player in a correctly setup/captained ship can carry and 'beat the system' and carry but the original fact remains.

 

Best thing to do is quit out of a dozen or so games and you will soon see the win streaks appear (without you!) - then u can start playing again, if you find silly win streaks ok (as the MM balances ur winrate @ a target figure of 50%). Try it you'll find it pretty consistent, although its not for me. That's the reason I don't play tanks anymore and it will be the same in ships soon.

 

 

A shame because I like the game as I did with tanks but more or less knowing the outcome 2 minutes in isn't fun, either winning or losing (for me) and the games where the outcome hangs in the balance are just getting rarer and rarer...

 

[CavScorpion_2014]

I had an awful day yesterday - despite playing well and doing more than the server average in key stats, doesn't frustrate me as it's one bad day.

 

Over time I'm seeing my MBH, AVG DMG, etc - go up

 

Because I've actually been putting time into understanding the game and accepting I wasn't very good at it, and thus - my average win rate is up also along with most other things over the last 1000 battles or so - constant upward trend in fact.

 

OP - Looking at your stats - your MBH is way lower than the server average - that's not MM......

 

Just as a starting point without meaning to bash you here, just trying to help......

 

You are clearly improving - look at your charts:

https://eu.warships.today/player/501017912/Svartmetall

[thepuma2012]

mine stats  are better now also.  what is the MBH stat you mention? 

[Gnirf]

I had an awful day yesterday - despite playing well and doing more than the server average in key stats, doesn't frustrate me as it's one bad day.

 

Over time I'm seeing my MBH, AVG DMG, etc - go up

 

Because I've actually been putting time into understanding the game and accepting I wasn't very good at it, and thus - my average win rate is up also along with most other things over the last 1000 battles or so - constant upward trend in fact.

 

OP - Looking at your stats - your MBH is way lower than the server average - that's not MM......

 

Just as a starting point without meaning to bash you here, just trying to help......

 

You are clearly improving - look at your charts:

 

https://eu.warships.today/player/501017912/Svartmetall

 

 

 

 

 

Well it is good if your stats improve, if you feel that you play the same so to speak.

 

 

I have my WR drop a bit from the first 2000 games, but thats because I have started to grind, I played more or less only 10-15 ships the first 2000 games, and that of course were reflected in the WR. Better captains, familiarity etc.

My average damage has gone up and my WR now seems to have stabilized. My average damage has gone up a lot lately in some ships, but it should be with more BBs.

 

 

Now when I have expanded to over 80 ships there is a lot of stockgrinding and captaintraining. I have not moved any captain except once, and that means you are in a disadvantage against the serveraverage for  a lot of games. Shifting between ships means also a lot, I play for fun so it does not matter to me but use the WR and stats wisely.

 

 

Summary:

 

 

When you use WR and other stats:

 

 

- Do you move more between ships

- Do you play many ships that you play for fun/variation despite you have poor statistics or play only ships that you are succesful with

- How is the current meta - lots of BBs will increase average damage

- New lines may increase veteran players in lower tiers for a while

- your captain level in those ships you play

- do you priorotize targets the same, same average damage gives more exp. against DDs if I understand it correctly

- have you changed your use in premium consumables

- changed your use of flags/camo

- FreeXP of stock hulls etc

 

 

These factors will influence your statistics in a varying degree, some of these are more pronounced in higher tiers. I did not use any premium consumables regardless of tiers, and only the detection camo on DD. Now I use camo on most ships, premium repair on T7 (some T6) and up, the health regaining I do not use, it is less frequent that I run out of these. I use flags on many ships, at least those I grind for the moment. This of course will other things being equal increase my stats a little.

This will allow me to come closer those players that moves captains and use flags/consumables.

 

 

I use the statistics myself more so, if I have problems which are ship specific, and then tries to read/Watch videos advice i check later, more so on the damage than WR.

Sometimes I climb back to hated ships after a while too see if they are as awful as I remembed them. In the beginning I struggled a lot at higher tier game play, but I can now see that it varies a lot between ships. Even at tiers that I am familiar with I have very different WRs f.e. Nürnberg, poor (Königsberg OK), Budyonny quite good. Some of the samples are small, but it is interesting at least to see that they are cases for improvement.

 

 

How interesting would a game be if you learned it in a few weeks play and then it was no room for improvement?

It is clear that the game is such that for those casual players and not talented/gifted there is good room to better yourself a lot with some effort.

 

 

It is the same with onlinepoker, even for the casual player there some basic theory is of use, and some fast calculating skills.

 

 

[anonym_i2RxUTEMphjW]

I miss one simple statistic in all we have - the average place in the team final score. Would be much better than WR (and other like avXP or DMG) IMHO, showing effort in lost games as well.

[_Teob_]

Wargaming have published the fact players win rate is managed - either to knock it down or up. That's why these ridiculous win/loss streaks are experienced, of course its true a gifted player in a correctly setup/captained ship can carry and 'beat the system' and carry but the original fact remains.

 

Source of the original "fact" please?

[Majicat]

Well at least you can play the game, I haven't been able to play for around 3 weeks, every time I log into game it starts updating even though I turned off the auto update option. 129 meg download is an overnight job for me then when its done it starts another update when I next login. Thought Battle Pirates was bad.

[VeteranGamer84]

I'm recently having the same problem with this game.

Yeah... this is what i have been seeing, in practically every single battle...

 

 

I go off and follow a group, they all seem to turn to go to the other side and im boxed in...its got to the stage where im losing credits cause it costs 45k to repair the ship.

 

I'm done, ive had enough.

 

All i can see in this game right now are some clueless players that doesn't care either helping their teamates or capping/def bases and now everyone now seems to be playing alone as if they are playing a single player game.

The game became so frustrating even if I want to have fun in the game. In low tiers, Destroyers tend to leave other ships and bases and go hunting CVs!! Really? Who's gonna cap then? Battleships/Cruisers? Maybe CVs aswell?? The recent condition of the game makes me angry and it turns me off from the game.

[tenacious_torps]

I miss one simple statistic in all we have - the average place in the team final score. Would be much better than WR (and other like avXP or DMG) IMHO, showing effort in lost games as well.

 

That would be really nice to have, yes. Not for bragging - although it will undoubtedly deteriorate into that, but who cares - but for better self-assessment. I mean... win or loss, but I'm always among the top three of my team, except for the games I got one-shot in a cruiser right at the start, lost the very first DD knife-fight or was suddenly attacked by an island in my BB and got focused down three minutes into the game.... err... all of which I thankfully tend to forget rather quickly, while the games I carried so hard I was about to give birth to my colon stay pretty lively in my mind for quite some time. 

[Tellann]

 

That would be really nice to have, yes. Not for bragging - although it will undoubtedly deteriorate into that, but who cares - but for better self-assessment. I mean... win or loss, but I'm always among the top three of my team, except for the games I got one-shot in a cruiser right at the start, lost the very first DD knife-fight or was suddenly attacked by an island in my BB and got focused down three minutes into the game.... err... all of which I thankfully tend to forget rather quickly, while the games I carried so hard I was about to give birth to my colon stay pretty lively in my mind for quite some time. 

 

Attacked by an island , hehehe... so you are one of those. :-) 

 

Well, I rage quit the game 7-8 weeks ago after a terrble session of 15 losses 5 wins, but started to play again yesterday just for fun. in the first 7 games I won 4 lost 3 then I went on a winning streak of 9 games until I got tired and went to sleap. Today was a mixed bag but didnt drop in preformance. Still trying to pass that magic number of 60% WR but its very hard when you play only solo (no divisions).

[Gnirf]

 

Attacked by an island , hehehe... so you are one of those. :-)

 

Well, I rage quit the game 7-8 weeks ago after a terrble session of 15 losses 5 wins, but started to play again yesterday just for fun. in the first 7 games I won 4 lost 3 then I went on a winning streak of 9 games until I got tired and went to sleap. Today was a mixed bag but didnt drop in preformance. Still trying to pass that magic number of 60% WR but its very hard when you play only solo (no divisions).

 

 

 

 

 

True it is very hard. I watched your numbers, and I think from what I have seen in other posts, that most top WR scorers plays like yourself CVs and maybe DDs a lot, or plays very heavily a small number of ships.

I think it is for but a few people (a few %)  who varies their play with many ships especially cruisers/BBs that 60 % are almost impossible to reach in soloplay random.

 

 

I checked for some months ago the distribution when there were 55153 players in a database.

The best 10 % had 56.61 % The best 1% has 62.48 %, 60 % were between 2-3 %. The best 0.1 % 68.82%. It is to be expected that most of these top scorers specializes themselves. I play for fun, I know that I can reach 60 % if I were to play a few favourite ships but that would ruin the game for me.

 

 

But feel free to strive for 60 % if you feel that is important, certainly reachable if I look at your statistics, just do not let it ruin the sport /fun in the game, everyone plays the game for different reasons.

 

 

[Tellann]

 

 

 

 

 

True it is very hard. I watched your numbers, and I think from what I have seen in other posts, that most top WR scorers plays like yourself CVs and maybe DDs a lot, or plays very heavily a small number of ships.

I think it is for but a few people (a few %)  who varies their play with many ships especially cruisers/BBs that 60 % are almost impossible to reach in soloplay random.

 

 

I checked for some months ago the distribution when there were 55153 players in a database.

The best 10 % had 56.61 % The best 1% has 62.48 %, 60 % were between 2-3 %. The best 0.1 % 68.82%. It is to be expected that most of these top scorers specializes themselves. I play for fun, I know that I can reach 60 % if I were to play a few favourite ships but that would ruin the game for me.

 

 

But feel free to strive for 60 % if you feel that is important, certainly reachable if I look at your statistics, just do not let it ruin the sport /fun in the game, everyone plays the game for different reasons.

 

 

 

You have some good points. I belive it comes down to a lot of practice with ships you like to the point that you feel very confident playing them and can quickly react to situations and controll the battle. With DDs you can easly put pressure on enemy team, spot, cap and move quicky. Its not about doing lots of dmg, but reading the game and doing what is best for the team. With CV is the same. On the other hand I love playing BBs and are good with them but even if I do a lot of dmg I cant cotrol the game the same way as with CVs and DDs. I need someone to spot for me, Im slow so cant react to treats on the oposite side of the map even if Im very avare of my positioning, It doesnt help if Im agressive and pushing up if the cruisers and Dds on my team are hiding behind me and so on. I can play the class the way it shoud be played but if the team doesnt do the same I wil fail.

 

What Im trying to say is that for me its easiest to do well with ship/classes where Im self-sufficient. In solo games where you are just 1 of 12 ships in the team its very important.

 

Anyway, Im going to pick up playing more BBs and cruisers now and see if I can keep winning. :-)

[thepuma2012]

was in battleship new york tier 5 yesterday,  cruisers were staying behind me....  I asked them to make some more speed, but no.  I got into fight with three battleships and two cruisers at once, because they were not spotted before.  I did 100.000 damage and died early in game. But because of this, we still won the game because  I killed two of them and the allies behind me some more of the damaged ships at that cap.

 

strange games sometimes, some are fine, other are crapteams. you never know.