every game lost, think of giving up already

[thepuma2012]

started reasonable on the game, but everything drops hard. 

anyone suggestions for a non wargaming online free game?

[xXx_Blogis_xXx]

dont play same tier , try diff

[JG4_sKylon]

 

Why blame the game for its gamers?

Play division with someone or look for a clan. Besides better chance to win it is more fun playing together.

 

Edit: and you may learn easier from someone who explains while playing.

[HMS_Antelope]

Hi google the best low tier ships fully kit them out, learn about Captain skills and don't rush in.  It is a steep learning curve as all games are but rewarding when you get through it.  It's the holiday season and there are some interesting games around.  Keep going with it and you will find ships you enjoy playing with.  BTW there is loads of great advice around on here, YouTube maybe watch some twitch streaming to get the idea of how to improve.

[VapeyVic]

started reasonable on the game, but everything drops hard. 

anyone suggestions for a non wargaming online free game?

 

I'm with ya on this one.  Enjoyed tier 1 to 5, got the Texas, working on cruisers, got the Indianapolis...and now i just seem to be steam rolled in every single random battle.  This just aint fun anymore.  If it aint some crsuier that seems to be able to fire constantly over and over again its destroyers popping out of nowehere, or its my teammates saying "cap c!" i head to C, they all go to B and leave me there to get pummeled on.

 

I've spent my money on this game, i aint spending anymore and im about ready to walk away from it.

[ollonborre]

You have barely played the game. My tip is this: Stick to lower tiers for a bit, learn the basic mechanics, play some CooP to get your aim up if Random battles are too annoying and learn that minimap.

 

If everyone is heading in the same direction, join them. No point in being a "hero" and dying first. Stick together. If you see that your team is leaving you or dying, fall back. 

 

The game is fun, you just need to spend some time with it.

[thepuma2012]

i planned to stick at tier V and train the captains skills, but the way it goes I keep thinking:  get rid of these ships because I am not making enough damage. And I am not trying to be hero defending one side. But my ships seem to have to lowest firing-distance off almost all (low tier many times).  When I work with DD s or torpedo s on cruiser I always miss (3% hits). Too many games I do zero damage in destroyer, wandering how the hell other people are able to do it. Watched videos about it but  it doesn t help.

Sometimes I am impatient and seeing all team camping in back waiting behind island to eventuelly get destroyed there is no great fun.

[JiksTBS]

i planned to stick at tier V and train the captains skills, but the way it goes I keep thinking:  get rid of these ships because I am not making enough damage. And I am not trying to be hero defending one side. But my ships seem to have to lowest firing-distance off almost all (low tier many times).  When I work with DD s or torpedo s on cruiser I always miss (3% hits). Too many games I do zero damage in destroyer, wandering how the hell other people are able to do it. Watched videos about it but  it doesn t help.

Sometimes I am impatient and seeing all team camping in back waiting behind island to eventuelly get destroyed there is no great fun.

 

I had a look at your stats on Warships Today, Puma.

 

Firstly, you are being far too harsh on yourself. You have improved massively, your WTR has gone up by 300 over the last 58 days. You clearly had a horrible day yesterday and this is coloring your judgement. As others have said, you haven't played many games yet, WoWs takes a long time to master.

 

What I would suggest is pick a tier 4 ship you feel reasonably confident with and play that exclusively till you have 100 games it. Trying to learn all lines at once is a big ask, it might be less frustrating to master one at a time & then move on. I say tier 4 because they give reasonable credit income & have very favorable matchmaking now, will never meet anything higher than tier 5. Rushing up through the tiers is a mistake I made - just look at my Hatsuharu win rate compared to my other ships. It's very easy to go up the tiers faster than the rate your ability improves & that is no fun.

 

As to DD's, there is an art to torpedoes. To reliably hit anyone but idiots you basically need to be a mind reader or be able to manipulate people into steering into the torps for you. Both ways take a lot of practice/patience & even then getting hit rates over 10% is hard. Taking the Isokaze, for example as you have been using it, I have a WTR of 1568 with it but my torp hit rate is only 11%. Your 5% is perfectly reasonable given how new you are. The area of your play with DD's that really needs attention is your survival rate & I would bet that is due to not having enough patience.

 

TL/DR version - You are not bad & getting better, focus, patience.

[EsaTuunanen]

i planned to stick at tier V and train the captains skills

With the latest match maker changes Tier V gets often rather bad tier distribution in matches being bottom tier below Tier VIs or up to Tier VII so Tier IV would be easier for learning.

There just isn't time for practising gunnery when meeting Tier VIIs and more Tier VIs.

 

Again Tier IV and V IJN destroyers are actually one the least affected by being bottom tier, because of being very stealthy and having quite fast reloading very high speed torps.

 

Torps require getting to positions where you can fire torps preferably toward side of the ships instead firing them from ahead of ship.

Though if target uses "WASD hacks" aka keep changing direction and speed it can be very hard to get hits without banzai charging close to sure hitting distance or using island as cover for stealth launching them closer.

Guns are in that aspect more reliable weapons...

 

 

 

It's the holiday season and there are some interesting games around.

I wouldn't call it interesting to see people throw a victory away by doing completely illogical things and basically playing for the enemy team.

[HMS_Antelope]

It was sarcasm for a lot of very frustrating games with rather hot headed players who seem to lack any experience or talent in the game, sorry I'm British that's how we role. 

[VapeyVic]

Yeah... this is what i have been seeing, in practically every single battle...

 

 

I go off and follow a group, they all seem to turn to go to the other side and im boxed in...its got to the stage where im losing credits cause it costs 45k to repair the ship.

 

I'm done, ive had enough.

[ollonborre]

I'm going to be blunt: Don't play tier 7 when you barely have any games played. Stick to lower tiers where you almost can't loose money and learn the basics.

[Kshat]

Well, Pensacola and Indianapolis are pretty much nonforgiving if you are a tad out of position. And they don't have those clear-cut strengths which show you at first sight how to play them effectively. And... Tier7 is a rough spot where a lot of the longer playing people are still around.

 

But still: teammates with a different view of what they think is good play/skillfull are the bane of everyone.

 

I found T6 to be the highest Level where you can learn the game mechanics without suffering that much and still earning some money. On top, from T6 to T7 there is a huge break when it comes to shipcharacteristics and gameplay considering the US cruisers. The Pensacola and Indy have a rather tight sweetspot on how to play, which is essentially: be near one or two battleships, provide them with antiair if needed and be ready to peak a tad to the front to get rid of pesky destroyers.

And, most important: always show your bow. NEVER turn and show your side. It is tempting since you got guns at your aft, but often enough you will be punished. It's not worth it. And the Indy got only 1/3 of her firepower at her back, so you don't lose that much. Pensacola is worse with her firepower evenly divided.

 

These ships are good if you get a battleship on your side which want to dominate a certain area of the map. If you got yourself one of these "I will go to the map border and be the mighty battleship-sniper"-persons - leave them alone. And don't feel bad when they die in vain. They earned it. You protect your battleship if the battleship scares away those who are mean to you.

 

Personally: a cheap ship with somewhat similar playstyle is the russian T5 cruiser Kirov (or, for that matter, the Molotov).

[SinkTheOthersNotMe]

Playing any tier 6+ ship without having played the regular lines before = big shocking moment, can't count the number of tirpitz-atago or indianapolis players who grinded up to tier 4 then jumped in the shiny new higher tier ship -> to end up with horrible stats and of course frustrated.

 

If you are a CA/CL player then you can only grind up to tier 7-8 the regular lines, especially given the meta changes at tier 7-8 for CA/CL:

- BB are much deadlier

- DD can easily sink you if played well

- Fellow CA/CL can citadel you any day

 

Learn all the basics at lower tiers (5-6 are a sweet spot)

- Capabilities of your ships and opponents...

- Situation/minimap awareness...

- When to fire, at which target with which type of shells...

and so on....

 

About losing streak: Everyone has some, had one a couple of days ago where I did not even manage to deal 20k dmg on average -> just took a break for a few hours

[Cmdr_Kouta]

There is a mod that could come in handy : You can activate the traning room, where you can mook up battles without loosing something! One can refine skills there, learn about weaknesses of ships (You can either let the AI just stand still, Stand still and shoot back, Drive and Shoot or Drive and hold fore). As well as being able to play with friends in there. One can utilize every ship in the game in that room as enemy (you obviously use your chosen ship) exept for premium ones (wich is sad some of them are worthy foe's). As for general problems well, some of the time its entirely the team, one can have the best match ever , yet if the team fails its over. Still you get revarded for YOUR performence, i saw people (including myselfe) rival the midle range exp of the enemy winning team (normaly you would at much be on the last places in the team exp score, yet with certain kills and helping teammates, you can rival their exp and money quiet easily even when loosing

[mikelight1805]

Hey Puma, don't beat yourself up! I found tier 4 difficult too as most ships seem quite weak compared to tiers 5 and 6 that i faced. Most of the ship lines take a big leap in quality at tier 5. You will find that there is a line that suits your play style, just keep plugging away! Generally tier 5 is when things get better. I fell in love with the tier 5+ German cruisers, as they fit the way i play nicely. My only advice i can offer is to try and be a difficult target to hit, if you are going to be a target at all! I always find that being the first one in there is a ticket to being the first one to the port. Looking at your stats your shooting has a reasonable hit rate, could be better could be worse. So just try and assist by focusing your fire on an enemy that is already engaged, and be aware of return fire, and manoeuvre yourself to minimise damage in return. Do not be afraid to shift your fire to another ship if another target is at a better angle to you. always look for broadside on enemies as a priority to maximise your damage potential whist staying at an angle yourself

 

The advice i can offer vic is to try and stick to the lower tiers. If you are going to play at tier 7, the vast majority of the enemy team are going to be in non premium ships that they have invested hours grinding to. These players aren't going to be idiots, and if you present your broadside to them, they will punish you! I too am fond of a premium to assist with credit grinding and captain training, but find myself better off with the low tier prems.

[Ferry_25]

Hey OP. don't give up. There's a quite shockingly but easy rule: there are days in which you are prohibited to win. No matter what you do, how good you try you simply may not win. In those days the reds all have Angelina controlling their guns, Neo at the helm, Magneto warding off your shells and X-wing fighters capable of FTL jumps straight to your torp and bomberplanes. It happens. To all of us I guarantee you. If scarficing a virgin, goat or even goatvirgin doesn't help, just use the right top X hack, call it a day and start over the other day. Keep going on doesn't help. It's just "1 of those days." (like today for me (-;).

[Yaffle1234]

I believe WG'ing have stated:

 

 

 The matchmaking server may store a win/loss percentage for each user (or vehicle) at a given battle level. As the player's win/loss ratio decreases, the player becomes more likely to be placed in battles having battle levels at the lower end of the allowable range, whereas as the player's win/loss ration increases, the player becomes more likely to be placed in battles having battle levels at the upper end of the allowable range. Thus, when a player has been repeatedly put into too many difficult battles, the balancing is done in favor of easier battle sessions, thereby encouraging the player by providing an easier game environment. Similarly, when the player has been repeatedly put into too many easy battles, the balancing is done in favor of harder battle sessions, thereby keeping the player challenged instead of letting the player become bored with easy games

Whether this has translated into the game MM is another matter, but it certainly explains things if it were....

 

[thepuma2012]

thanks for the encouragements guys, appreciate the comments. I will stick to tier V, because that s what I have mostly now. one or two tier 4 s.

[lup3s]

loss streaks can occur and can be very frustrating, but it shouldn't stop you from playing the game in a whole

 

I don't recommend playing while you're frustrated, as you'll probably make more mistakes, lose even more, and get more frustrated

I suggest to just take a break and relax; you can always continue playing the next day or when you're less frustrated

 

today I had a shitty day, couldn't seem to win any round and got very frustrated so I quit gaming earlier than usual; but I'll be sailing again tomorrow

[triumfen]

Well I`m getting out of this crapfor nothing game. playing tier 2 ships to try to learn a little something and get tossed in with a bunch of carriers and Nassaus is not something I care to bother with.

Thank you and goodbye

[thepuma2012]

had a frustratring and losing evening again, doing zero damage with destroyers bah

 

[VapeyVic]

Today and yesterday...

 

I think i figured this out... us new players?  We're nothing more than cannon fodder for the veteran players who are grinding their way up tiers of ships.  All the way through today its been my random team up against a SUPPOSED "random" team thats got little A's or B's next to their names, i found out that these are team divisions.  Yeah, nice work Wargaming, putting new players up against organised teams?  Thats your idea of fair?

 

My premium runs out in two days.  I'm not renewing it.  I was also considering buying the Tirpitz... not a chance of that happening now.  Not as long as we new players (some of whom have spent cash on wows already) are treated like cannon fodder for the veterans to climb up the ladder quicker.

[SinkTheOthersNotMe]

had a frustratring and losing evening again, doing zero damage with destroyers bah

 

 

How is that possible???

These days with the thousands of German BB players I always play my DD (yes even tier wickes-clemson-nicholas). and though I am no outstanding player I always deal a lot of dmg, you do something wrong with your DD, which DD are you playing?????

 

@Vapeyvic: You are paranoid, if there is a division (not team but division which is limited to max 3 teamates per division) in the opposing team then there is one in your own team too and since matchmaking changes -> the 2 teams should be more or less balanced.

Now of course you may end up in the worst team from a players quality point of view -> then you simply sink as many as you can and deal at least your own's ship HP dmg or double if possible, then you don't care about losing.

 

About veterans, you can do exactly the same as them:

- Do not sail broadside in a straight line at the same speed for more than 20 sec especially if you are detected

- WASD is your friend

- Shoot AP at broadside ships (especially if under 10km) and HE at angled BB or even CA, general rule -> just know your ship, shells and opponent

- Play a ship to its strength

- Find ships you like

- Deal at least as much dmg as your ship's hp, if possible double

 

The very top players usually excel in some ships and above all have incredible map awareness....

 

 

 

 

Oh and 'experienced players':

- Do not grind lower tiers because they sit on a lot of free xp, so they either play lower tiers (to relax) or are trying new ships, except some seal clubbers like me at tier 4-5 with their favorite ships (phoenix - kongo - nicholas and so on) but I do not division at tier 4-5.

I repeat, these days veteran players might 'grind' the German BB line (but almost everyone is grinding that line) that does not make you cannon fodder as those are new ships.

- or you have plenty of 'experienced players' who have several tier x who are worst than bots, so no matter at which tier you meet them they will sink easily or yolo suicide.

 

I really could not care less if I lose 10 games in a row provided I deal at least 50k dmg on average (tier 7-8) in my DD.

[EsaTuunanen]

had a frustratring and losing evening again, doing zero damage with destroyers bah

Lot more hitpoints floating/sailing around to sink than in long time along with lot less than usual cruisers so you must be doing some notable mistakes.

BBs seem to even bunch up more than usual giving some chances to hit next ship if target turns.