How can we make CV players more team player

[DrCaesar]

     We all encountered CV players that don't care about defending their team mates or spotting for their team and just fly their planes from edges of maps then go hunt alone BBs/CVs. I don't have problem for killing enemy of course but as you all know in domination game mode DDs are probably the most important class, if you want to win you should get rid of them fast.And best way to do that is spotting them much before than they spot your DDs.So, CVs are best for this job.However there are a lot of players who doesn't do this, they send their fighters to escort their DBs and TBs(and i have no problem with that) then fly their planes for edges of the map so aircrafts are useless until it reaches to the target.At the same time enemy CV player spots your DDs, let their teammate kill enemy DDs and still be able to attack enemy ships. The second way of playing CVs is much better for team play.And if we want to CVs to be team players we should reward this kind of gameplay. I'm thinking about bonus xp or credits for spotting, counter attacking enemy DBs or TBs which are attacking their teammate(for people asking how: servers know enemy movements so server can know which ship TBs or DBs are aiming for, so a reward for attacking them can be implemented)

 

   What do you think about this possible solutions?Do you have any different opinions on this?    

[ColonelPete]

Look at the next patches.

[xXx_Blogis_xXx]

tell me another reason to def team ? if i can do dmg i do dmg , if i can def in air i will to, but when times come when cv need help who def cv ? no 1

[VC381]

We already have an incentive, you get more credits for % HP damage to ships. So CVs that know what to do, they won't spot DDs... They'll blow them out of the water first thing! But you need to get good at manual drop for that.

 

As for teamwork, let's just politely say you can't rely on other people (although I thank all those friendly CA that gave me snipe cover, sometimes without me even asking!). You can spot a DD sometimes nobody will shoot it. I agree wasting time border hugging is not good, but CVs carry by damage not support. You can send all your fighters to save someone and they still eat 3 torps and blame you, then don't hit anything all game. Or you can make sure your strike gets through and takes out a key enemy. Sorry, I choose option 2.

[Spellfire40]

The real question should be how can we stop people who dont play a class making sugestions how said class should win the game for them.

[Hardrider2010]

     We all encountered CV players that don't care about defending their team mates or spotting for their team and just fly their planes from edges of maps then go hunt alone BBs/CVs. I don't have problem for killing enemy of course but as you all know in domination game mode DDs are probably the most important class, if you want to win you should get rid of them fast.And best way to do that is spotting them much before than they spot your DDs.So, CVs are best for this job.However there are a lot of players who doesn't do this, they send their fighters to escort their DBs and TBs(and i have no problem with that) then fly their planes for edges of the map so aircrafts are useless until it reaches to the target.At the same time enemy CV player spots your DDs, let their teammate kill enemy DDs and still be able to attack enemy ships. The second way of playing CVs is much better for team play.And if we want to CVs to be team players we should reward this kind of gameplay. I'm thinking about bonus xp or credits for spotting, counter attacking enemy DBs or TBs which are attacking their teammate(for people asking how: servers know enemy movements so server can know which ship TBs or DBs are aiming for, so a reward for attacking them can be implemented)

 

   What do you think about this possible solutions?Do you have any different opinions on this?    

 

All those other ships only play for themself, but the CV has to play for the whole team?

BBs embrace the border line, CAs don't defend anything but their own ship, DDs only generate torp walls. But the CV has to win the game for those loosers?

 

Sounds like nonsens.

[Userext]

 

All those other ships only play for themself, but the CV has to play for the whole team?

BBs embrace the border line, CAs don't defend anything but their own ship, DDs only generate torp walls. But the CV has to win the game for those loosers?

 

Sounds like nonsens.

 

they are bringing in spotting and tanking which will improve team play for anything but CV. For CVs they should increase the exp on airplanes shot greatly

[Kais_S012]

tell me another reason to def team ? if i can do dmg i do dmg , if i can def in air i will to, but when times come when cv need help who def cv ? no 1

 

I find the situation essentially the same as this even in PvE (where most of my carrier games are played)

 

I have every battleship and their granny, even the dopes floating about in the N.Caronlina and its OP AA rating screaming for help or just being plain insulting while I try to do what I can both striking enemy ships, lighting up DDs and intercepting strike craft... and as always the second the situation is reversed and I need a spot of help myself its:-

 

 

[Spellfire40]

Do someone seriously think a CV Player Thinks  "well its a good evening let click the battle butom and go lose a game"?

After a look at the  teamlists taking their flightdecks into acount most CV Players do know exactly whats to do. They might not suced as with any other Action any other ship takes because they have to take into acount that they are outplayed wich is natural. Take a look at the 2ed snipe. I basically disrupted a Torp Drops with my fighters Keep a DD open at the east cap and STILL some were complaing i didt spot the DD at West too.

Seriously how do you deal with DDs when there is no CV around? Let CVs do what they do because they know best what they can do and what not and concentrate to get your own Job done as best as you can.

 

[SV_Kompresor]

The real question should be how can we stop people who dont play a class making sugestions how said class should win the game for them.

 

I couldn't agree more....also I've noticed that CV players are generally better team players than normal classes....or at least they respond to what you ask of them way more often

[General_Alexus]

The Situation you described is just a matter of "learn to play" issues. If a CV dont know what he is supposed to do in Domination, just Count him as one of many noobs who would maxrangecamp in a BB eg. You cant teach the CV Player to spot the caps, strike at the same time and denie enemy CV strikes by giving them extra Exp for that. It is the Thing that devides the bad from the good and the exelent CV Player.

[Spellfire40]

The Situation you described is just a matter of "learn to play" issues. If a CV dont know what he is supposed to do in Domination, just Count him as one of many noobs who would maxrangecamp in a BB eg. You cant teach the CV Player to spot the caps, strike at the same time and denie enemy CV strikes by giving them extra Exp for that. It is the Thing that devides the bad from the good and the exelent CV Player.

 

And why so? If you go to a cap to spot a DD you will either:

Lure enemy planes to the cap that will spot your sides DDs or.

Leave yourself open for a snipe.

CVs have to juggle with their resorces and decision. I have seen People caling me a n00b not reseting a cap try......vs a American AA CA with 3 planes Saipan squads.....I highly sugest to actually Play a class and see how it works that greatly helps you to understand what it can do or not both agist an enemy AND for your own Team.

 

If they to force Jobs on your CV when he has its Hand full allready you shouldnt be suprised when he ignores you. especally when said Job can be done by lets say with spoting DDs by...your own sides DDs?

Seen enogh games were everything that went wrong was teh CVs fault...when in reality BBs only reacted to enemy planes when the torps hit the water....when every ship that could prevent a cap was moving away from the keept open by planes caping ship and so on and so on. Even in cases of l2p CVs ask yourself how often you in a DD might come to a cap and the enemy reacted faster and you get blown up by a Point blank Torp wall. In a competetiv game sometimes the oponent is better wich dont allways imply teh loser is a bad Player.

[woodyudet_17]

xp for spotting and more xp for plane kills would be the main incentives - you can't usually cap anything, so other than doing damage there isn't much incentive [other than being helpful and winning] to spot and kill planes unfortunately. In my mid tier US CVs I used to run fighters to spot and shoot enemy - used to get minimal XP for it so switched to strike builds at higher tiers - not least to ensure got some reasonable credits and xp

[DrCaesar]

The real question should be how can we stop people who dont play a class making sugestions how said class should win the game for them.

 

There is something called observation.As i understand we can't talk about anything unless we do that thing in our history.I guess you guys do ask your friends political degree when having a few beers and talk about politics.I don't understand what's about these comments..There is an issue here.I wasn't cried for nerf or CVs OP thing, actually i think CVs should have more effect on game, they should be more powerful(not to win games for us, for historical realism-and i understand we can't have that because balance issues). I'm not saying CVs should win games for us.Every class has some special target for them and yes for CVs it's not spesific because they are designed to target every kind of vessel.Now let's get back to observation part: As i observe when your CV player is more likely to spot DDs(in domination) your team mostly performs much better than the other situation. Can anyone regret that?Of course there are some exeptions, if that CVs team consists of tunnel-visioning, doesn't care about mini-map, just sitting back and snipe kind of "special" players there will be no meaning for CV player to try these things.

[VC381]

 

There is something called observation.As i understand we can't talk about anything unless we do that thing in our history.I guess you guys do ask your friends political degree when having a few beers and talk about politics.I don't understand what's about these comments..There is an issue here.I wasn't cried for nerf or CVs OP thing, actually i think CVs should have more effect on game, they should be more powerful(not to win games for us, for historical realism-and i understand we can't have that because balance issues). I'm not saying CVs should win games for us.Every class has some special target for them and yes for CVs it's not spesific because they are designed to target every kind of vessel.Now let's get back to observation part: As i observe when your CV player is more likely to spot DDs(in domination) your team mostly performs much better than the other situation. Can anyone regret that?Of course there are some exeptions, if that CVs team consists of tunnel-visioning, doesn't care about mini-map, just sitting back and snipe kind of "special" players there will be no meaning for CV player to try these things.

 

You are right but I think CVs can and do have a huge impact on the game, and that's why you notice when they play badly. All I'm saying is a good CV player doesn't need to deliberately spot. He already knows what is a good target (yes DD is often the best target) and he will spot really as a side effect to attack, and he knows not to waste time going for pointless targets or flying on the border. So all the things you say, we don't really need incentives for CVs to do them but there is a huge gap between good and bad CV players and it makes a much bigger difference to the game so you notice it more.

[LittleNipper]

I think that if there were som exp points given to spotters it would incentive carriers to do some more spotting... but then it always depends on players some spot DD's properly others just go to front and back and do no scouting. I personally think and play as a team player thinking in defending a BB when i am in a cruiser and playing also sometimes as AA defender of cruiser but not all of us play like a team and then you mostly loose.

[Deckeru_Maiku]

It would be a good start not to adopt the "anti arty" mindset so many people coming from WoT show.

[Ishiro32]

Actually as far as we know WG is planning spotting changes. From we know from Q&A this should be related to planes and plans are to do it before end of this year.
We also had information that exp reward changes are also in plans, though I have no idea what is ETA on that one. 

What I would personally would love to see in the exp reward change is that killing empty attack planes give less exp that killing the ones which are ready for attack. Also they should have different icons. Players need to know that they got rid off potential damage and they should be rewarded for protecting their team from it. Just killing planes does not convey that. There are other things, but this one I feel is most important.

[General_Alexus]

 

I highly sugest to actually Play a class and see how it works that greatly helps you to understand what it can do or not both agist an enemy AND for your own Team.

 

 Are you actualy telling me to Play my ( second ) most played class in the game and trying to understand how to Play it? If so, maby check my stats first, i know about what i am talking because i stomp the CVs you described all day Long and know exactly what you were refering to.

The Point is: most of the Bad CVs just cant handle Multitasking the planes. Thats why they cant Scout and Strike at the same time, that is why they Need to form a blob of planes, that is why they refuse to Support the Team, because they Need to much time Managing theire Ship+ Squads and dont watch Minimap and allyes at the same time.

But Jeah, i call that "Learn to Play" issues and you cant force them to learn the class because you could say the same Things about BBs,DDs and CA/CLs who dont know how to Play effektive.

[AgarwaenME]

OP, you might aswell rename this tread to what you actually mean; "How can I make CVs my b***** and order it around to suit me perfectly because that's what I actually care about, not him playing for the team".

[DrCaesar]

OP, you might aswell rename this tread to what you actually mean; "How can I make CVs my b***** and order it around to suit me perfectly because that's what I actually care about, not him playing for the team".

 

    I still don't get this. Giving CVs xp for spotting is giving an option to that players, something extra, a strawberry on a cake.You don't have to do it.But it's there as an option.If i suggest some punishments for CVs who don't spot, that will be an intention for "making CVs my b**** ". If you don't want to spot, don't.You will get what you are getting now.That's some extra standing there if you want. There is a huge bonus for capping right now and this makes players want to capture cap zones, it doesn't force you to cap.If you don't want to waste time you can sail around cap zones and go for the target you want.

 

   I can't understand the way of thinking for some of you guys.IT'S A DAMN OPTION,It doesn't force you to do that.If you don't want to send your planes to middle to avoid losses, don't send them.If you want your planes flying at edges of map, go do it. But going to the middle and try to spot ships is a risk, i can understand the people who don't want to take that. And i'm just suggesting a reward for taking risk.Isn't this is something like extra xp for capping?You award players who goes contact zones, risking their lifes and if they achieve the mission by capping; you reward them. Do you have problem with extra capping xp?Because this suggestion is something like this. I'm really happy for learning that WG wants to implement something like this, thanks to everyone who informed me.

[DrCaesar]

It would be a good start not to adopt the "anti arty" mindset so many people coming from WoT show.

 

I'm not complaining about CVs.I love them, i love to see them in matches and i want to see them played more.CV is not the same thing as arty in WoT. CV is something really hard to master, arty is not like that.You just sit somewhere wait to reload, wait to aim, shoot and if you are lucky you do massive damage.I had games i do 3-4k damage with artillery when having a dinner.As you know you should concentrate on game really well to play CV

[AgarwaenME]

 

    I still don't get this. Giving CVs xp for spotting is giving an option to that players, something extra, a strawberry on a cake.You don't have to do it.But it's there as an option.If i suggest some punishments for CVs who don't spot, that will be an intention for "making CVs my b**** ". If you don't want to spot, don't.You will get what you are getting now.That's some extra standing there if you want. There is a huge bonus for capping right now and this makes players want to capture cap zones, it doesn't force you to cap.If you don't want to waste time you can sail around cap zones and go for the target you want.

 

   I can't understand the way of thinking for some of you guys.IT'S A DAMN OPTION,It doesn't force you to do that.If you don't want to send your planes to middle to avoid losses, don't send them.If you want your planes flying at edges of map, go do it. But going to the middle and try to spot ships is a risk, i can understand the people who don't want to take that. And i'm just suggesting a reward for taking risk.Isn't this is something like extra xp for capping?You award players who goes contact zones, risking their lifes and if they achieve the mission by capping; you reward them. Do you have problem with extra capping xp?Because this suggestion is something like this. I'm really happy for learning that WG wants to implement something like this, thanks to everyone who informed me.

 

You're suggesting that CVs don't already do it. This is quite simply false. Also you suggest that those that don't scout, are all sending their planes along the map edge or some other stupid strawman. Which again is false.

 

However depending on how the game goes, and what sort of matchup your CV has, he might not have the time or planes to go spot for you specificly. A CV might be force to chose between "spotting for you" and; rearming planes and refilling squadrons, attacking ships, defending your fleet from the enemy CVs strike planes, attacking enemy fighters to protect his own strike planes, or scouting somewhere else.

 

The issue here is that you have no way of knowing what your CV is thinking or planning, so you just cry because he doesn't bend over and do it exactly your way.

[Ictogan]

 

they are bringing in spotting and tanking which will improve team play for anything but CV. For CVs they should increase the exp on airplanes shot greatly

 

No matter how high the XP for shooting down planes, good CV players will almost always prioritize spotting and attacking ships over shooting down planes. The former methods is a way to actually help your team, the latter merely makes it slightly more difficult for the enemy CV to help his team. The only way it would be possible to make CVs focus more on shooting down planes would be to remove all non-AS loadouts, which would reduce the role of CVs to mere spotting.

[Spellfire40]

 

There is something called observation.As i understand we can't talk about anything unless we do that thing in our history.I guess you guys do ask your friends political degree when having a few beers and talk about politics.I don't understand what's about these comments..There is an issue here.I wasn't cried for nerf or CVs OP thing, actually i think CVs should have more effect on game, they should be more powerful(not to win games for us, for historical realism-and i understand we can't have that because balance issues). I'm not saying CVs should win games for us.Every class has some special target for them and yes for CVs it's not spesific because they are designed to target every kind of vessel.Now let's get back to observation part: As i observe when your CV player is more likely to spot DDs(in domination) your team mostly performs much better than the other situation. Can anyone regret that?Of course there are some exeptions, if that CVs team consists of tunnel-visioning, doesn't care about mini-map, just sitting back and snipe kind of "special" players there will be no meaning for CV player to try these things.

 

​What you called for wasnt a nerf you basically found the the CVs Action didnt go Hand in Hand what you wanted from him ....in that case looking for DDs and Keep them open. What would you say if some DD Player demanded that you go in that pasage with your Tirpitz were a Shmakaze was seen last? CVs have their own prioritys and sometimes that means leaving a BB siting with a DD 6km in front of its bow Ist not the CVs Job to conter EVERY Little Thing on the battlefield. He has to prioritize one Thing over another. and sometimes he will get countered by the enemy CV by insane AA Level and by his own Team dieing so fast that he cant have the Impact to carry a game.

Again what do you do in games were there are no CV? spoting DDs is normally the Job of your sides DDs. suported by your sides CAs.

 

You have a 2ed Person view of how CVs work and i for my part really hate People who not even plaing the class telling me what i should do and whats not. While you posible might have done some real Research you most likely still dont have a real clue whats the midset of the average CV Player wich is why i said in another of the Posts here: Let CV do their stuff and concentrate on fullfilling your own Job as best as you can. Or Play the class yourself and see 1st Hand what they can do under what circumstances. That actually will help you while playing other classes facting CVs too.