kbb07142 Beta Tester 96 posts 2,106 battles Report post #1 Posted August 13, 2016 (edited) My 1st game back and I decided to test out carriers again. Tier 7 in a tier 9 game (I thought they changed this MM to +/-1 but nm). I spot a enemy DD, and lose 2 torp bombers from the ani air guns of a [edited]DD before i can drop my torps. But hey, no probs, i am supposed to be killing battleships right? Torp Bombers are up again. I spot a Iowa by itself. Ok lets go for him. Oh wtf where have half my planes gone? Ok i get its 2 tiers higher but i lose 4 planes out of 8 before i can drop my torps and lose the rest on the way out? Really. Ok a terpitz has bad AA yea? Nope, planes all gone. Okay okay so WG nerfed carriers, but how about DD's You know the ships with no armour, no health, crapguns and only their camo to keep them alive. Oh yea they have torps but you need to be an idiot to get hit by them. Ok so i take my tier 8 DD out and get into a tie 10 game. Urgh ok nm i am still an sneeky DD. I spot a cruiser about 8km away. No problem i think, I will just drop some torps and run away. Oh wait wtf i am spotted? How, what, where. There is no DD here. Wait what there is radar? So the only [edited]thing i had going for me was my stealth and no I dont even have that. WTF Ok [edited]this i will just take a battleship. Oh look this is easy. My AA rips apart any planes that comes near me. My cruisers spot and DD that comes near me. And my guns have better range and accuracy than and cruiser that tries to hurt me. Oh but this is ship is sooo slow. Oh god this is boring. So how about cruisers? Have WG nerded them too? Have they reduced fire damage? Increased the citadel area? Honestly I played this game in beta and everybody said Battleships are OP, Cruisers are OP, Destroyers are OP, Carriers are OP. Well if everything is OP then its all balanced right? But noo, WG had to go nerf the [edited]out off all the fun ships and now we are left with world of battleships....how boring Edited August 13, 2016 by kbb07142 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brainfear1 Beta Tester 241 posts 1,258 battles Report post #2 Posted August 13, 2016 Sounds more like a get good situation. Learn the ships your fighting. And adjust accordingly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] aboomination Players 5,763 posts 16,940 battles Report post #3 Posted August 13, 2016 (edited) Oh, did you expect to come back months later and continue to faceroll in your CV? The game changed, relearn to play! Edited August 13, 2016 by aboomination 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PORT] Atris2nd Beta Tester 333 posts 6,438 battles Report post #4 Posted August 13, 2016 Disagree with you on everything with the exception of CVs, which feel a bit weak at the moment. Though even then a good CV player will be able to take you by surprise when you least expect it. Cruisers remain the most fun ships in my arsenal, and they're a joy to play, be it Zao, New Orleans, Hipper, Furutaka or Kutuzov. Battleships are good, destroyers are good. Every class has a role to play and right now I find balance to be decently solid save for Zao having 20k less hp than other tier 10 cruisers and CVs needing, maybe, slight buffs to plane hp. Not much else that needs touching. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LilJumpa Beta Tester 4,603 posts 7,488 battles Report post #5 Posted August 13, 2016 1. you did not play a DD (hide your stats if you want to lie) 2. your easy and boring game in your Amagi gave you a whopping 7k damage 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] aboomination Players 5,763 posts 16,940 battles Report post #6 Posted August 13, 2016 (edited) Not much else that needs touching. Bwahaha, excuse me! Edited August 13, 2016 by aboomination Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PORT] Atris2nd Beta Tester 333 posts 6,438 battles Report post #7 Posted August 13, 2016 Bwahaha, excuse me! Well, what other problems do you have? Japanese BB armor will be revisited soon and that's pretty much the only thing I can think of that needs some addressing. By all means, I'm just curious, not wanting to start a fight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TEAM_] Dampfboot Players 1,367 posts 11,386 battles Report post #8 Posted August 13, 2016 Wargaming buffed AA to OP level to discourage people from playing CVs. As a consequence everything is swamped with DDs. Only the excellent CV players are left, so people whine even more about CVs being OP. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] aboomination Players 5,763 posts 16,940 battles Report post #9 Posted August 13, 2016 Well, what other problems do you have? Do I really have to make my silly joke more obvious? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Userext Beta Tester 5,342 posts 2,957 battles Report post #10 Posted August 13, 2016 CVs do need something done to them. Make CV gameplay more fun while not flopping other classes Not all but some DDs*cough*IJN*cough* do need help. Like kagero. CAs? Well they are fun and all but the world of battleships issue is making them unplayable. BBs? %35.1 play rate said the developer. They are not happy about how many players are playing battleships. Yet they are still going to release german battleships.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] aboomination Players 5,763 posts 16,940 battles Report post #11 Posted August 13, 2016 CAs? Well they are fun and all but the world of battleships issue is making them unplayable. Good one! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capra76 Players 5,001 posts 7,787 battles Report post #12 Posted August 13, 2016 Wargaming buffed AA to OP level to discourage people from playing CVs. As a consequence everything is swamped with DDs. Only the excellent CV players are left, so people whine even more about CVs being OP. Yamato 13,802 Shimakaze 11,114 Montana 9,426 Zao 8,390 Gearing 7,906 Iowa 18,551 Kagero 13,549 Fletcher 13,002 Roon 10,915 Izumo 10,551 Tirpitz 59,000 North Carolina 32,981 Fubuki 28,073 Amagi 22,169 Admiral Hipper 22,153 Benson, 7th most played ship, 20,495 Figures from WT for 1 week on EU server. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] Aotearas Players 8,460 posts 13,076 battles Report post #13 Posted August 13, 2016 Tier VII CV going for an Iowa 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teamkill_2014 Players 35 posts Report post #14 Posted August 13, 2016 play clicker... get no respect Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Molybdane Players 171 posts 4,885 battles Report post #15 Posted August 13, 2016 Restarted myself 2 weeks ago. That is why I kept my St Louis. perfectly safe, credit wise too. Good luck (not sarcastic) with the readjustment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TEAM_] Dampfboot Players 1,367 posts 11,386 battles Report post #16 Posted August 14, 2016 Yamato 13,802 Shimakaze 11,114 Montana 9,426 Zao 8,390 Gearing 7,906 Iowa 18,551 Kagero 13,549 Fletcher 13,002 Roon 10,915 Izumo 10,551 Tirpitz 59,000 North Carolina 32,981 Fubuki 28,073 Amagi 22,169 Admiral Hipper 22,153 Benson, 7th most played ship, 20,495 Figures from WT for 1 week on EU server. Now do the math correctly and compare all the DDs combined with all the BBs combined. See? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capra76 Players 5,001 posts 7,787 battles Report post #17 Posted August 14, 2016 Now do the math correctly and compare all the DDs combined with all the BBs combined. See? Tier BB DD 8 114,150 48,568 9 29,102 26,551 10 23,228 19,020 Total 166,480 94,139 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] aboomination Players 5,763 posts 16,940 battles Report post #18 Posted August 14, 2016 (edited) Only the excellent CV players are left, so people whine even more about CVs being OP. No?! Edited August 14, 2016 by aboomination Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ST-EU] Admiral_noodle Supertest Coordinator 6,337 posts 4,395 battles Report post #19 Posted August 14, 2016 Tier BB DD 8 114,150 48,568 9 29,102 26,551 10 23,228 19,020 Total 166,480 94,139 Nice tirpitz effect you got there - would suggest removing premiums Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vanhal Alpha Tester 5,609 posts 5,569 battles Report post #20 Posted August 14, 2016 So. OP had not been playing in months, lose all touch, then gets his [edited]handed to him in first few fights and immediately proceed to forum not to read, but write? Such a great idea! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capra76 Players 5,001 posts 7,787 battles Report post #21 Posted August 14, 2016 Nice tirpitz effect you got there - would suggest removing premiums Why? They're playing the game as well, why aren't they relevant? If there were 50,000 Lo Yang in the game do you think the OP would be happy with me excluding them? TBF I've left out the RU DD on the grounds that they're closer to cruisers and the Lo Yang on the grounds that I'm lazy and couldn't be bothered to look it up, those add about 22,000 to the T8-10 total, if you took out the 58,000 Tirpitz as well then you get a small lead for the DD, but how anyone can claim that "everything is swamped with DD" when there's up to 60% more BB in T8-10 games is beyond me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_FTD_ ∞ Players 908 posts 10,097 battles Report post #22 Posted August 14, 2016 1. you did not play a DD (hide your stats if you want to lie) 2. your easy and boring game in your Amagi gave you a whopping 7k damage Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Syrchalis Players 1,401 posts 3,820 battles Report post #23 Posted August 15, 2016 Its World of Battleships since a while. You can oneshot DDs with HE; cripple them with AP, oneshot any cruiser easily from outside of it's shooting distance, CVs can't touch you and if you're not average you will stomp other BBs as well. There is a reason I got to the Yamato after all, even though I never thought I would, simply because I thought I could keep playing CVs for a while - truth is, their gameplay is boring, they are partially underpowered (some are not) and most of all they are frustrating to play. Nothing is as fun as having your squad wiped out by an Atlanta that is 8km away and barely in vision range of your planes or trying to punish the backwards driving Iowa that is showing front to your team and soaking tons of damage with its bow armor just to realize - well [edited], it's CV immune, like nearly every ship above T7 save for destroyers and IJN CAs. And at the end of the game you get less reward for an exceptional game than a DD for a mediocre one. Crappy missions keep people trying T4/5 CVs so across all tiers WG has their magic 7% CV rate, while in truth it's just inflated by low tier CVs and high tier noone wants to suffer through this class. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ADRIA] Ysterpyp Players 1,490 posts 25,846 battles Report post #24 Posted August 15, 2016 (edited) Keep AA as is , and give fighters the ability to strafe ships to reduce their short - meduim range aa abit Edited August 15, 2016 by Ysterpyp Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ST-EU] Admiral_noodle Supertest Coordinator 6,337 posts 4,395 battles Report post #25 Posted August 15, 2016 Why? They're playing the game as well, why aren't they relevant? If there were 50,000 Lo Yang in the game do you think the OP would be happy with me excluding them? TBF I've left out the RU DD on the grounds that they're closer to cruisers and the Lo Yang on the grounds that I'm lazy and couldn't be bothered to look it up, those add about 22,000 to the T8-10 total, if you took out the 58,000 Tirpitz as well then you get a small lead for the DD, but how anyone can claim that "everything is swamped with DD" when there's up to 60% more BB in T8-10 games is beyond me. I was actually suggesting leaving out premiums would strengthen your point. Even discounting tirpitz the game is not swamped by high tier DDs... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
