Do carriers ruin games ?

[GulvkluderGuld]

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[Martinborgen]

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[edited] its a problem with the way carriers work that even CV players, albeit smarter than you, can recognise. 

 

Again, I havent said I want the game changed in any way - however it would naturally be advantagious if the game did not have classes that cause sognificant frustration for 20% of the playerbase (at the time of writing). 

 

Now I realize this distinction is beyond your simple reading skills, given that you've repetedly interpreted anything less than enthusiastic for the CVs as cries for nerfs.

[T0byJug]

 

 

Spartan1963   again doing what you do best cherry picking. Please make hole replay avalable.... you were on your own in middle of islands. From what we can see you were alone in the worst place for a BB to be on that map.   All your fault baby. You were out of position and the CV made u pay

[AgarwaenME]

[edited], its a problem with the way carriers work that even CV players, albeit smarter than you, can recognise. 

 

Again, I havent said I want the game changed in any way - however it would naturally be advantagious if the game did not have classes that cause sognificant frustration for 20% of the playerbase (at the time of writing). 

 

Now I realize this distinction is beyond your simple reading skills, given that you've repetedly interpreted anything less than enthusiastic for the CVs as cries for nerfs.

 

Lets see.. you pretend to speak for CV players, but you don't, nor do you have any idea about who is or what makes a smart CV player. And guess what, [edited] and not a game issue. Sure others might share it, but you don't balance numbers around peoples feelings.

 

Also you talk about this pitiful question as somehow relevant to what players actually think (no a 100 people isn't a usable sample size), nor would what players think about things like this at all be true about what the game is better of being like. If anything if so few are whining about it, it seems to be a very tiny problem currently (as reasonable people have long ago realised how far the nerfs to CVs and buffs to AAA went, and how insignificant CVs currently are and how few play them, and only the worst whiners of the bunch still talk as if they're deathstars sitting in a corner of the map deleting enemy ships at will).

 

Lastly, you're in no position to belittle anyones reading skills, as you do nothing but throw around nerf cries about CVs, then you pretend that someone tries to shout down for merely voicing your opinion. No, the issue is that your "opinion" is counter-factual personal feelings that you want the game to change around so suit your limited play style, skill set and experience.

 

You're merely more evidence to what we've been saying since CBT, that there will be no point where there's been enough nerfs to CVs and DDs to satiate those who simply wants to whine instead of learn.

 

What we have here, are people using an example of someone doing more or less everything wrong, as somehow "proving" that CVs can dominate games. No, what we have here is an example of the targets that CVs have to chose now. Ie, the bad players that put themselves forwards as an ideal target, and that does everything wrong when they're being attacked. Yet somehow this situation is "proof" that CVs are OP? Get real, if a BB could get away from nearly all damage in that situation, then no CV could ever do damage to any ship at all.

[dasCKD]

Out of all the people I interact with on teamspeak I only know one player who actually thinks that carriers actually do ruin his games: a primary IJN destroyer player. If you're in a Tirpitz and you're letting anything short of a Taiho or Essex ruin your games then sorry, but the fault doesn't lie with the carrier in that situation.

[300ConfirmedKills]

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[YukiEiriKun]

Carriers only "ruin" games when I'm in a DD and they keep me spotted. But then again they also save games by keeping enemy DD's at bay. ... From time to time.

 

So no, carriers do not ruin games, they make gameplay more versatile.

[159Hunter]

My guess is your a CV player, your words seem so biased that it's obvious, reducing speed would have made no difference, but you already know that

 

 

 

How many games have you played in a cv? And how many of those were played in 0.5.7 or later patches? My guess is none.

So your post is biassed and obviously worth nothing.

[allufewig]

Nowadays ist usually just some whining by people who got cought in an unpleasant moment, in a defenseless ship, or just dont know what to do anyway. Pure DD players might suffer more than others, but even for them, the current CV-numbers should be manageable.
 

The times when skilled CVs could excert power so far above that of any other class, are luckily over.

[warlock07rox]

Cvs are too op and do ruin games when they have no real counter only another cv and in lower tiers half the ships have no or next to no AA so carriers have a free run .

[anonym_EFwxJOPWzlER]

Detonated from full health by one Dive Bomber from a Lexington

 

and some suggest carriers are not OP in any way

 

 

 

[AgarwaenME]

Detonated from full health by one Dive Bomber from a Lexington

 

and some suggest carriers are not OP in any way

 

 

 

 

That might be the stupidest thing you've said in this thread yet.

[Syrchalis]

Detonated from full health by one Dive Bomber from a Lexington

 

and some suggest carriers are not OP in any way

 

 

 

 

I got detonated by a single HE shell from <enter any class here>. So what's your point? CVs are OP because they can detonate ships like everyone else? You really are one biased person.

[anonym_EFwxJOPWzlER]

 

That might be the stupidest thing you've said in this thread yet.

 

tbh i don't really take any note of anything you say on here, all you constantly do is insult others without any real input, you say earlier that a forum member has mental issues because their opinion is not to your liking, not everyone is going to agree with you, you need to deal with you unstable anger issues and address topics in a more decent way if it's within your capabilities.

 

Maybe i'm right or wrong with this discussion, who knows!! but i do believe carriers can ruin games, i rather games without carriers, but that is just my opinion, i am not speaking for others, if you don't like someone's opinion is is better not to answer rather than throw constant insults at someone.

 

Everyone has a right to opinions, that why forums were created, a couple of sensible posters on this topic have made a few points to make me reconsider what i said about the torps (i will try out some of the mentioned advice and see if i played this situation wrong)

 

I have never seen/known a carrier before today to sink a ship from full health with one squadron of dive bombers (detonation)

 

Now could you kindly toddle off somewhere else and leave this topic to more sensible posters

[anonym_EFwxJOPWzlER]

 

I got detonated by a single HE shell from <enter any class here>. So what's your point? CVs are OP because they can detonate ships like everyone else? You really are one biased person.

 

Personally i never realised Dive Bombers carried HE shells, i learn more every day

[brainfear1]

 

tbh i don't really take any note of anything you say on here, all you constantly do is insult others without any real input, you say earlier that a forum member has mental issues because their opinion is not to your liking, not everyone is going to agree with you, you need to deal with you unstable anger issues and address topics in a more decent way if it's within your capabilities.

 

Maybe i'm right or wrong with this discussion, who knows!! but i do believe carriers can ruin games, i rather games without carriers, but that is just my opinion, i am not speaking for others, if you don't like someone's opinion is is better not to answer rather than throw constant insults at someone.

 

Everyone has a right to opinions, that why forums were created, a couple of sensible posters on this topic have made a few points to make me reconsider what i said about the torps (i will try out some of the mentioned advice and see if i played this situation wrong)

 

I have never seen/known a carrier before today to sink a ship from full health with one squadron of dive bombers (detonation)

 

Now could you kindly toddle off somewhere else and leave this topic to more sensible posters

 

then you might as well go out thesame door..

Detonations happen as frequent with guns as they are with planes.. 

 

I have only 1 op detonation my record which was a montana with 1 torpedo.

 

Carriers are already nerfed and the aa buffed.

There are already few cv players more nerfs and you might as well remove them from the game.

[piritskenyer]

Do they ruin your games? Perhaps, I don't know.

 

Do they ruin my games? No, not really.

[The_SDM]

Never managed detonating someone with Divebombers, that would be hilarious.

Btw, carriers ruin only the game for these people who don't realize basic mechanics like WASD hack, don't go yolo alone especially as a BB, and people who don't turn towards planes when they are heading your way.

[AgarwaenME]

 

tbh i don't really take any note of anything you say on here, all you constantly do is insult others without any real input, you say earlier that a forum member has mental issues because their opinion is not to your liking, not everyone is going to agree with you, you need to deal with you unstable anger issues and address topics in a more decent way if it's within your capabilities.

 

Maybe i'm right or wrong with this discussion, who knows!! but i do believe carriers can ruin games, i rather games without carriers, but that is just my opinion, i am not speaking for others, if you don't like someone's opinion is is better not to answer rather than throw constant insults at someone.

 

Everyone has a right to opinions, that why forums were created, a couple of sensible posters on this topic have made a few points to make me reconsider what i said about the torps (i will try out some of the mentioned advice and see if i played this situation wrong)

 

I have never seen/known a carrier before today to sink a ship from full health with one squadron of dive bombers (detonation)

 

Now could you kindly toddle off somewhere else and leave this topic to more sensible posters

 

Firstly, he said he had mental issues. I just noted how the game shouldn't be balanced around his issues in that regard. So you might attempt to read what's being written. As for anger issues, look at the OP of this thread.. oh wait, that's you. Btw, read up on "projection" and realise what you're doing. So when you say you don't take any note of what someone you disagree with says, it's just clear how you don't have any intention of an honest discussion.

 

Also opinions? These are fine, but you can't just go "any opinion is as worthwhile as any other" because this just isn't true. If you can't argue for why your opinion is true, and base your opinion on facts, then your opinion is completely worthless. Many here have said how you screwed up in that BB, but you simply refuse to listen to that because you don't want to hear facts. As for that detonation? Yes you did also screw up there, even if you got an unlucky detonation on top of it (free tip, going entirely alone into a cap when there's an opposing CV is going to make you his priority, just like your earlier example you had a game situation where the opposing CV lacked targets to actually attack since most of your team stuck together under an unbeatable AAA umbrella, until you ran off alone and made sure you'd be focused. Also it looks like you screwed up your smoke deployment since you died outside your smoke patch. But then this would require you to critically look at what you're doing instead of just whining at CVs. Also, two bomb hits? Either extreme luck on the part of the CV, or you aren't using defensive fire nor turning correctly when under DB attack).

 

Also, if this is the first time you've seen anyone be detonated by a CV, then firstly you clearly don't pay much attention, and secondly if that really is the case, then clearly CVs would be causing LESS detonations than any other class of ship (which I have no real reason to believe by the way, but then I try to be honest). But when you're desperate to paint on class of ships in a poor light, then suddenly that one occurance makes that ship class OP, but somehow not other ship classes. This is just amazing evidence for the bias you have.

 

Also, if you can't handle counter arguments, then maybe you should leave this forum.

[philjd]

Spartan - your favourite class, and also the class that you perform best in, are DD's - now I tried some DD's during beta and decided with the live game to stick to BBs and CAs purely because the gameplay changes so dramatically between those and DD's (similar reason why I am not driving CV's currently either) - I am not clocking up the volume of games to swap between radically different play style ships and be effective in them all. I would suggest that you try to specialise more in a particular type of ship (BB/CA/DD/CV) until you are comfortable with your understanding of how those ship types work best - which would show up in your stats - and then try a different class, just to appreciate the differing approaches to how each class works best.

 

On the Tirpitz clip and also your responses the impression that you are giving is that you are using the same aggressive DD tactics as a BB driver, and that doesn't work - obviously this is gained on extremely limited data, but I hope that you consider it thoughtfully.

 

 

[anonym_EFwxJOPWzlER]

Never managed detonating someone with Divebombers, that would be hilarious.

Btw, carriers ruin only the game for these people who don't realize basic mechanics like WASD hack, don't go yolo alone especially as a BB, and people who don't turn towards planes when they are heading your way.

 

I have been detonated a few times recently, but to get detonated by a dive bomber is something else, never knew it was possible for Dive Bombers to cause a detonation from full health

[ShinGetsu]

Never managed detonating someone with Divebombers, that would be hilarious.

Btw, carriers ruin only the game for these people who don't realize basic mechanics like WASD hack, don't go yolo alone especially as a BB, and people who don't turn towards planes when they are heading your way.

 

Detonated an Hatsuharu with my Shokaku once. But well, even without the explosion he would have died with this bomb, given I just got 1 torpedo on him and he couldn't repair the fire anymore.

 

However I got detonated once with my angled full HP Amagi by a single shot from an NC. NURF NC. (Or perhaps just remove the stupid detonation mechanics).

 

Also, no, CV don't ruin the games.

 

[AgarwaenME]

Do they ruin your games? Perhaps, I don't know.

 

Do they ruin my games? No, not really.

 

The issue really is that people call a game where they screwed up and got sunk as "ruined" by whatever ship sunk them because it's needed to make their perceived notions about their skill fit with reality. Somehow it seems like many people think that the "ideal" game where you get to blast away at targets that are weak against you should be the norm, and those games where you have to fight those you are weaker too should be much rarer, and in some crazy way do they think this would be balanced.

 

I'm more likely to say "wow I screwed up that game for me", or at least I try to since it's far more likely to be the case. And if you think like this then you're less likely to just play the next game just the same and sink from the same error again.

[Admiral_noodle]

CVs don't ruin games. However some CV captains can ruin one persons game (usually to the detriment of their own team and win) by obsessively focussing one player for the entire game. That player can take steps to play well and mitigate damage. If they are good at this then the cv is wasting his time and probably losing the game

 

But. At the moment that's not much consolation for the player being focussed who can't deal as much damage. At high tiers that can mean credit losses. This leads to frustration and I admit to reporting enemy carriers who stupidly focus on me *all game* even though it's not a clever strategy.

[philjd]

 

Spartan - your favourite class, and also the class that you perform best in, are DD's - now I tried some DD's during beta and decided with the live game to stick to BBs and CAs purely because the gameplay changes so dramatically between those and DD's (similar reason why I am not driving CV's currently either) - I am not clocking up the volume of games to swap between radically different play style ships and be effective in them all. I would suggest that you try to specialise more in a particular type of ship (BB/CA/DD/CV) until you are comfortable with your understanding of how those ship types work best - which would show up in your stats - and then try a different class, just to appreciate the differing approaches to how each class works best.

 

On the Tirpitz clip and also your responses the impression that you are giving is that you are using the same aggressive DD tactics as a BB driver, and that doesn't work - obviously this is gained on extremely limited data, but I hope that you consider it thoughtfully.