0.5.10 PT Fail Divisions

[Ph3lan]

Please leave all your feedback concerning division changes in this thread!

 

Changes:

• Max. tier difference in a division is 1

[Brainzzzzz]

Finally. As funny as it was to see a Novik (not kidding here) going after a Hipper like the madman itself, it still was and is a nuisance to all the other players in the respective team. This - for me at least - is a must have for this game, cause sanity and reason does not keep all the trolls outside....

[Vanhal]

Finally. Also, they are officially named "fail divisions"

 

[iJoby]

Finally, Woohoo

 

[Cant_swim_need_to_win]

good move

[Zouron]

sad day, was really fun challenging oneself against superior ships with real players behind them. :/

[TheCinC]

I am both happy, and amazed it took this long.

Then again, think this is still not fixed in WoT..

Wonder what the mm will be like, but a tier VII in a tier X battle may not be as useless as a tier I-VI.

[Fish_Bulb]

I sad to see this changed.

 

I really enjoyed taking on a Tirptiz in my Arizona, or similar battles where you really had to think long and hard about how to beat your opponent.

 

I don't agree with the change, but i guess if enough people kick up a fuss it will eventually cause the developers to make the change.

[Lladdir_]

I sad to see this changed.

 

I really enjoyed taking on a Tirptiz in my Arizona, or similar battles where you really had to think long and hard about how to beat your opponent.

 

I don't agree with the change, but i guess if enough people kick up a fuss it will eventually cause the developers to make the change.

 

errr, Arizona is a tier 6 and Tirpitz is a tier 8 so you will still fight Tirpitz's. This just means umikazes can't fight yamatos or equally ridiculous matchups

[CollingwoodDK]

 

errr, Arizona is a tier 6 and Tirpitz is a tier 8 so you will still fight Tirpitz's. This just means umikazes can't fight yamatos or equally ridiculous matchups

 

Well I remember sinking a Tirpitz in my Minekaze. Why are you so afraid of 8 km Torpedos of Umikaze?

I think they should set that at a certain Level - starting at T 5-T 6?  Unless Omaha gets back its power to encounter a T 7 ship.

Or maybe even better introduce "Special Division"(s) ... which might chose their ships at least including T1-T4 unless their winrate is not below 45 % ?

Look at japanese cruiser Izumo She was completed on 25 September 1900 and in service till 1945. The Problem is not the ship but the player. So it is really not clear to me why do that to all?

[iJoby]

 

Well I remember sinking a Tirpitz in my Minekaze. Why are you so afraid of 8 km Torpedos of Umikaze?

I think they should set that at a certain Level - starting at T 5-T 6?  Unless Omaha gets back its power to encounter a T 7 ship.

Or maybe even better introduce "Special Division"(s) ... which might chose their ships at least including T1-T4 unless their winrate is not below 45 % ?

Look at japanese cruiser Izumo She was completed on 25 September 1900 and in service till 1945. The Problem is not the ship but the player. So it is really not clear to me why do that to all?

Izumo is a BB,  and for the first time ever in a game yesterday, a player got a kraken in an Izumo, I have never seen that on that ship before.

[CollingwoodDK]

Izumo is a BB,  and for the first time ever in a game yesterday, a player got a kraken in an Izumo, I have never seen that on that ship before.

 

I hate to dissapoint you. In reality, there have been no Izumo battleships .  Only the cruiser and a DD.

[konohaninja]

In my opinion the solution should be different. Max. tier difference should be according to the max. tier difference in matchmaking. This max. difference should fit to all ships in the division.

 

For example:

 

When you play a tier XIII ship, matchmaking will put you in a tier XIII, IX or X game. Now let's say the tier XIII ship is in a division with a tier VI ship.

There should be a rule saying that this division must be put in a tier XIII game because this is what matchmaking does anyway: putting tier VI, VII and VIII ships in tier XIII games.

 

With the currently planned solution tier VII ships can still get in tier X games, when playing in a division with tier XIII ships.

[mtm78]

 

I hate to dissapoint you. In reality, there have been no Izumo battleships .  Only the cruiser and a DD.

 

You are historically correct but this is a forum about World of Warships hence Izumo is a BB according to WG Gospel. And you don't want to challenge the Holy Book now would you

[iJoby]

 

I hate to dissapoint you. In reality, there have been no Izumo battleships .  Only the cruiser and a DD.

 

I'm never disappointed, Just learned something new today, It's good to learn something new everyday. So Thanks. 

PS, Why did WG turn it into a BB?

[iJoby]

In my opinion the solution should be different. Max. tier difference should be according to the max. tier difference in matchmaking. This max. difference should fit to all ships in the division.

 

For example:

 

When you play a tier XIII ship, matchmaking will put you in a tier XIII, IX or X game. Now let's say the tier XIII ship is in a division with a tier VI ship.

There should be a rule saying that this division must be put in a tier XIII game because this is what matchmaking does anyway: putting tier VI, VII and VIII ships in tier XIII games.

 

With the currently planned solution tier VII ships can still get in tier X games, when playing in a division with tier XIII ships.

Divisions should try keep all ships on the same tier, or be ready for ridicule in a high tier game.

In one T10 game we had a St. Louise in a division with a Tirpitz, we persuaded the St, Louise to hide on J10 so we didn't lose points with him being killed. He was spotted and killed with 2 CV bombs. 

[TheBigLanowski]

Very good change!! People who want to take on inferior ships can do so in the training room. I like it a lot +1 is just fine, but +2 would also be okay.

[fighting_lady_tatiyana]

I found a big problem with this update !!   its going to make the "dog fighting expert" commanders skill on the skill tree USELESS !!   why you ask ?    think about it , example, my cv will now face other cv's of the EXACT same tier !  as of nowdays I have not seen a enaemy cv of a different tier at all !!

  I propose 2 fixes ;

1)   adjust the skill dogfighting expert to a 10% attack bonus regardless , (you get 10% att if enabled,no tier difference ,just the att bonus)

2) remove the skill (meh huh)

with this in mind , until something is done about that 3rd lvl commanders skill, I will be spending more gold to fix this issue for my carriers (cv's) , what a waste of gold huh, ill be moving the stat points to reapars 10% faster for my cv's  since there is now and will be no tier difference on my cv encounters ,,   faithfully ,, tatiyana

 

[Smeggo]

Well, it works on a T7-CV when facing a Saipan, that has T9-planes. 

 

€: In fact, it should work on all CVs, as the Tier of the planes is often lower than the Tier of the ship.

[Smeggo]

Division Mission not working 

 

[Zafkiel_Sama]

This change is awsome, havent met a fail division in all the games i played today on PT . +-1 also made , or so it happened to me , MM to work in a better way ( tho it shouldnt have any correlation )

[cpt_gandy]

great change

 

[Xevious_Red]

There should be a rule saying that this division must be put in a tier XIII game because this is what matchmaking does anyway: putting tier VI, VII and VIII ships in tier XIII games.

 

That would just mean people would make a division that is tier 5 and 7 so the tier 7 player is guaranteed to be top tier.

This isn't a good thing - it's not very fair on solo players that might end up being bottom tier, while someone in a division can always be top tier in his nagato simply because he has a mate that doesn't mind driving around in a minekaze

[CollingwoodDK]

I have seen enough fail divisions with same T Level!  What do you want to do with them?

Or even single players with winrate below 30 % ??? There are for sure other solutions !

 

[CollingwoodDK]

 

You are historically correct but this is a forum about World of Warships hence Izumo is a BB according to WG Gospel. And you don't want to challenge the Holy Book now would you

 

  ... a bad place to be - when reason is not heard anymore ...