Skybuck's The X-Files 004: Smoke don't work near this island

[SkybuckFlying]

Wrote this text a few days ago posting it now :

 

1 august 2016 by Skybuck Flying:

 

Skybuck's The X-Files 004: Smoke don't work near this island:

 

I was doing really well in my fubuki. I just killed a benson by torping the heck out of it/him/her. Then a york came around... I though jummy ! Let's try and torp that sucker !

So I torp him, I shoot him, I lure him into the islands... I get into a little bit of trouble... but I think "No problem.... I'll just pop smoke... the torpedo is almost reloaded and ready to fire.... by the time he gets in here he will await the same faith as the benson".

 

I bump into the island, I reverse, I pop smoke... NOTHING ?! I AM STILL DETECTED ?! WTF.... I am looking around ?! I am in the smoke ?! He is 4 KM away... WTF I am still detected ?!?! HUH ?!?!

And it remains like that... now my ship on fire... and I remain detected WTF ?!?!?!?!

 

Then the york finaly blows me away ?! The game was won... and I had top 1 monster score 1700 XP but I could/might have had even more if the smoke worked properly ?! In total I had 4000 XP thanks to first victory of day.. Needless to say this kinda sucks cause I could have had a monster score maybe... maybe even highest ever... but what is even more astonishing is this X-File ?!

 

WTF is up with this smoke not working ?! WTF is up with this bug ?! WTF ?!

 

Let me know your thoughts ?!

 

As far as I know York does not have RADAR ?! And replay shows no planes anywhere near me ?! WTF ?! There was this one spotting plane early but I think it was gone already... still my DD in smoke and basically still... so again WTF ?!

 

I think it might have something to do with smoke not working properly on these islands... however as far as I know there was nothing on the other side of the island ?! Nothing there too spot me ?!

Even our carrier (who by the way didn't take the time to spot the fricking benson, thank you very much ! NOT !) flew over there with planes... there was nothing there ?!

 

This seems like some really major bug or something ?! There is a bit of oil there though... on the water ?! Does that have anything to do with it ?!

Well there ya go folks ! Another X-File for your enjoyment ! Enjoy !

 

(Also see score screen... (not yet included, probably gonna skip it for now ;) ) mysteriously enough... the york lives on... hmmm weird ?! ;) also proves my monster score ! ;) )

 

Perhaps it was hydro search ??? Does this work through smoke ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

 

The mystery starts at 1:08, so you can skip if you don't want to see me blow up that benson ! LOL :

 

 

(I think I have seen others report such a bug before, have a very faint recollection of that ! ;) Might have also seen it before, probably a while ago)

 

Bye,
  Skybuck

[shamelesscreature]

Yorck has hydroacoustic search with 5.something km range. You were detected by its hydroacoustic search, as the radar/hydroacoustic symbol (yes, same symbol for both) to the right of the exclamation mark told you. Of course it works through smoke (and islands), that's its main purpose besides spotting torpedoes earlier. 

[Duke_of_Asia]

 

skybuckflying  yours signature says u played 3284 battles and still didn't know this, but i will give u benefit of doubt as we all learn something new about the game mechanics from time to time, and not all are perfectly aware how it works in all the aspects, same with me .

As shamelesscreature said its because of German Engineering,

German ships get super hydro 5km range which is great that is reason u were spotted, also if u notice the detection symbol mentions what way u are spotted,

If its surface spotting it only  normal detection symbol, but if u are plane spotted there comes a small plane symbol next to exclamation mark,

if radar or hydro spotted it shows like that shown in the video of yours. hope that helps

 

[Duke_of_Asia]

 

skybuckflying  yours signature says u played 3284 battles and still didn't know this, but i will give u benefit of doubt as we all learn something new about the game mechanics from time to time, and not all are perfectly aware how it works in all the aspects, same with me .

As shamelesscreature said its because of German Engineering,

German ships get super hydro 5km range which is great that is reason u were spotted, also if u notice the detection symbol mentions what way u are spotted,

If its surface spotting it only  normal detection symbol, but if u are plane spotted there comes a small plane symbol next to exclamation mark, if radar or hydro spotted it shows like that shown in the video of yours. hope that helps

 

[Duke_of_Asia]

ok i give up there is some bug, my full sentence is not being visible

[SkybuckFlying]

Hmm interesting... now that I watch the video again... I do see a strange little yellow symbol next to the exclamation mark ! LOL.

 

Never noticed it before ! I have been wondering ever since I played this game how hydro works... and if it works through smoke... I don't play much cruiser... though lately I do play myoko... when I "pop" hydro I can't really tell how it works... very hard to see if it can actually spot destroyers in smoke... how would I know for sure if they are there or just gone ?! So hydro thing has me baffled ever since...

 

This video might clear some of that up ! But from a DD perspective ! Hmmm interesting/smart or lucky york player it must have been ! ;) =D

 

Funny to see first the exclimation mark... and then he pops hydro and it turns into a exclamation mark with some squarish looking thing next to it ! ;)

 

(That tiny little yellow asterix or bracket or whatever it is is easy to miss... perhaps a little sonar ping/audio cue could be added to warn destroyers that they are being "pinged" ? Does that make any sense ? Can other/enemy ships hear sonar pings in reality ? Hmmm... how about hydro ? Hmmm... aucustic search it's called... well it's not much acuistic for me ?! Does it search for engine noises with a mic onboard the ship ? Hmmmm ;))

[aboomination]

Skybuck, the news told me that you seemed to have stopped spamming the forums with troll topics.

Instead, they said, you got a job and try to get yourself a new pc.

 

 

 

  I don't play much cruiser

 

Maybe you shouldn't promote forced play of all classes by all the players to get the masses up to your standards of knowledge and gameplay then.

Some may have forgotten that proposal, most didn't.

 

a strange little yellow symbol [...] tiny little [...]  a little sonar ping/audio cue could be added

 

 

Are you sure you'd notice?

[Tungstonid]

 

Funny to see first the exclimation mark... and then he pops hydro and it turns into a exclamation mark with some squarish looking thing next to it ! ;)

 

 

It is a "normal" symbol at first because he can see you over the island and it changes into the hydroacoustic search symbol shortly after you popped your spoke. It seems like the Yorck player knew what he was doing and activated his hydroacoustic search as soon as he saw you popping smoke.

HAS works just like radar with two little differences: It has much shorter range but you can even spot torpedoes.

[_interceptor_80]

Yorck  -5.43 km ship acquisition range, epic mystery solved

Flamu have nice video how it works

Better dont show up us x-files 005 or post it to Newcomers' Section

[OopsIPennedYouAgain]

[Agantas]

Never noticed it before ! I have been wondering ever since I played this game how hydro works... and if it works through smoke... I don't play much cruiser... though lately I do play myoko... when I "pop" hydro I can't really tell how it works... 

 

Myoko hydro lets you spot all ships that are 4.2 km or closer to your ships and all torps that are 2.97 km or closer to your ship, regardless of any obstacles that might block your line of sight. Assured acquisition means that you can detect ship/torp that is that close to your ship, no matter what. Hydro/radar just increases that range. Germans have better hydro that has over 5 km ship acquisition range. Due to the short range of hydro, you generally use it to check what is beyond obstacles or screen for torps (DD in the open would just get spotted before they come that close to you).

[RNGsama]

Holy crap.

[SkybuckFlying]

Skybuck, the news told me that you seemed to have stopped spamming the forums with troll topics.

Instead, they said, you got a job and try to get yourself a new pc.

 

 

 

 

Maybe you shouldn't promote forced play of all classes by all the players to get the masses up to your standards of knowledge and gameplay then.

Some may have forgotten that proposal, most didn't.

 

 

Are you sure you'd notice?

 

(Playing more cruiser would not have changed a thing, since cruisers don't see that symbol... ! The fact that I played so much destroyers made me notice this (not the symbol, but me being spotted, now this video analysis has helped to spot that tiny little insy winsy spider symbol <g>) ! ;) So for now I will continue assuming I have played enough cruiser to understand cruiser mechanics ! Though now that from a destroyer perspective I understand cruisers better I wanna try this hydro search out ! And yes I do have a myoko fortunately... so I don't have to buy a new cruiser to try this out ! ;) So basically this thread proves perfectly that by playing destroyer you actually learn something about cruisers ! HA-HA-HA-HA-HA ! =D and thus don't play cruisers only ! ->=/Directed at CRUISER-ONLY NOOBS ! )

 

In a DD sure ?! Since they don't ping... could be quite cool to hear the enemy hydro search at work ! TENSION ! =D Sweeping ! Especially if you don't see the cruiser yet, because your own smoke in the way !

 

OH OH HEY SEARCHING ME ?! AAAAHHHHHHHH <- Couple of seconds later ! ;)

 

Question though:

 

Let's suppose my own smoke blocks my vision ?!

 

The enemy activates hydro search and spots me ?!

 

What happens ?!?!?!? Will I then see his ship because of increased ranges or something ? Or would my vision still be blocked ?! Could be very cool if he can see me, but me can't see him... but do hear his searches ! COOOOL

[basharran]

 

(Playing more cruiser would not have changed a thing, since cruisers don't see that symbol... ! The fact that I played so much destroyers made me notice this (not the symbol, but me being spotted, now this video analysis has helped to spot that tiny little insy winsy spider symbol <g>) ! ;) So for now I will continue assuming I have played enough cruiser to understand cruiser mechanics ! Though now that from a destroyer perspective I understand cruisers better I wanna try this hydro search out ! And yes I do have a myoko fortunately... so I don't have to buy a new cruiser to try this out ! ;) So basically this thread proves perfectly that by playing destroyer you actually learn something about cruisers ! HA-HA-HA-HA-HA ! =D and thus don't play cruisers only ! ->=/Directed at CRUISER-ONLY NOOBS ! )

 

In a DD sure ?! Since they don't ping... could be quite cool to hear the enemy hydro search at work ! TENSION ! =D Sweeping ! Especially if you don't see the cruiser yet, because your own smoke in the way !

 

OH OH HEY SEARCHING ME ?! AAAAHHHHHHHH <- Couple of seconds later ! ;)

 

Question though:

 

Let's suppose my own smoke blocks my vision ?!

 

The enemy activates hydro search and spots me ?!

 

What happens ?!?!?!? Will I then see his ship because of increased ranges or something ? Or would my vision still be blocked ?! Could be very cool if he can see me, but me can't see him... but do hear his searches ! COOOOL

 

Indeed, when no one is spotting said enemy for your DD in the smoke you won't see him. With his accoustics on he will see you.

[SkybuckFlying]

 

 

It is a "normal" symbol at first because he can see you over the island and it changes into the hydroacoustic search symbol shortly after you popped your spoke. It seems like the Yorck player knew what he was doing and activated his hydroacoustic search as soon as he saw you popping smoke.

HAS works just like radar with two little differences: It has much shorter range but you can even spot torpedoes.

 

No, if I had to call you out on this I would have to disagree !

 

I have prove for this as well, so in fact I am calling you out ! ;) =D

 

At exactly 1:57 the detected symbol appears however the hydro symbol also appears very briefly ?!

 

Now the big question is: why ?!

 

Is it a display bug ?

 

Does it indicate that the york already activated it's hydro search ?!

 

Further questions:

 

Is the hydro search symbol only displayed if I am already in smoke ?!

 

Or will it be displayed outside of smoke as well ?!

 

After 1:57 the hydro symbol disappears and then later re-appears ?!

 

Why is that ?!

 

Is that because I actually active my smoke later ?! And the symbol only triggers when I am already in smoke ?!

 

Or is it because perhaps the island was in the way ? Seems somewhat unlikely ?!

 

Perhaps he went out of range briefly for hydro to be in-effective ? (Doesn't seem to be the case since he's getting closer most of the time while hydro symbol disappears from 1:57)

 

Basically many many many questions left un-answered.

 

*Update*:

 

One more interesting thought: Should hydro detect destroyers in the case the destroyer engine is at full stop or should the destroyer than still disappears like a magician ?! hmmmmm..... I think the last option would be much more cool... dead silent then even hydro won't help.... though rotating shell/cannon/turrets/torpedo turrets, would that be detected by hydro ? hmmmm... more questions... hmmm ;)

 

How about firing ? Would that help hydro (in reality) ?! hmmmm even more questions ! ;)

 

[HappyFella]

The symbols next to "Detected" need to be increased in size by a large degree (or just add the text instead! Genius idea eh?!) and maybe a different colour to stand out. 

 

Not all of us have perfect vision to see such a minuscule icon!

[_FTD_]

LOL.

 

LOL!

[basharran]

The symbols next to "Detected" need to be increased in size by a large degree (or just add the text instead! Genius idea eh?!) and maybe a different colour to stand out. 

 

Not all of us have perfect vision to see such a minuscule icon!

 

The most important thing is to know that you are detected, so the exclamation mark is the most important one. The additional information is nice to have and therefore I don't think it should have to be larger.

[HappyFella]

Of course it needs to be larger! How many times out of 10 do you guys spot the additional radar icon for example? I run a 40" at 1080p playing from about 5ft away. I'm certain I've missed the info on several occasions purely because it's next to invisible to my eyes. 

 

A DD detected by radar will almost always be detected for the full 20-25 seconds. That's imperative for a DD to know so he can alter his escape path etc. 

[Kuso_Teitoku]

At exactly 1:57 the detected symbol appears however the hydro symbol also appears very briefly ?!

 

Now the big question is: why ?!

 

Is it a display bug ?

 

Does it indicate that the york already activated it's hydro search ?!

 

Yorck hydro Range is 5.4 KM, you get spottet when the Yorck is 5,4 km away by his hydro as you are still behind cover.

So yes the Yorck usd his hydro befor it sailed towards you, prbably whe you fired his guns at him, because he knew there would be torpedos

But you are reversing and come into view, pop smoke and are out of normal view, so hydro detects you again.

 

To make it short you get the hydro/radar symbol when it is hydro/radar that is detecting you

 

All working as intended

[RNGsama]

Of course it needs to be larger! How many times out of 10 do you guys spot the additional radar icon for example? I run a 40" at 1080p playing from about 5ft away. I'm certain I've missed the info on several occasions purely because it's next to invisible to my eyes. 

 

A DD detected by radar will almost always be detected for the full 20-25 seconds. That's imperative for a DD to know so he can alter his escape path etc. 

 

29" 2560x1080. I have absolutely no problems distinguishing between the icon types. I really don't know how difficult it is to miss, its not as if the icon is small to begin with.

[HappyFella]

When you reach your mid 40's when you start to use reading glasses, let me know how you get on. ;)

 

Do me a favour, and I'm being serious. If u have replays enabled or you're quick enough, actually measure the dimensions of the radar or sonar icon next to the exclamation mark and tell us how big it is in mm's. 

 

[SkybuckFlying]

 

The most important thing is to know that you are detected, so the exclamation mark is the most important one. The additional information is nice to have and therefore I don't think it should have to be larger.

 

Detection possibilities while in smoke:

 

1. Detected by enemy destroyer entering your smoke.

2. Detected by enemy destroyer lo kang using hydro ;)

3. Detected by cruiser further away using hydro (or even much further away using radar, bit confusing if radar does not have own symbol)

4. Perhaps destroyer not properly positioned in smoke.

5. Very maybe plane spotting destroyer because destroyer still moving somehow.

6. Five could also be combined with AA still being on and making matters worse ;)

 

So while I agree that knowing if you are or are not detected is the main thing... having this additional hydro icon could provide additional insight into what is actually doing the detection, better/faster.

 

So this special icon might/can be of some use I imagine... since I have never noticed it before I can't really say for sure yet hihihihi

[aboomination]

SkybuckFlying, on 05 August 2016 - 09:47 AM, said:

having this additional hydro icon could provide additional insight

 

...but we already have that icon 

 

[Ferry_25]

This 1 is indeed explainable with the radar acoustic. I've been in dozens of similar situations though, detected sign being off for more than 10 seconds but still getting shot to pieces. Since I chase has declared nothing's wrong with the smoke, there's no room for debate. My sincere advice: never, never ever trust the smoke! It's not working.