creamgravy Players 2,780 posts 17,292 battles Report post #26 Posted August 4, 2016 Yorck: 5rpm*2900dmg*8barrels = 116k Fubuki: 6.7*2100*6 = 84.4k Don't forget that HE damage number is for citadels only, real HE damage averages out at 25% (33% penetration then 16% once the area is blackened) Fubuki DPM agasint 21mm armour or less = 9240 (40% accuracy from warships.today 2 week average, captain has BFT) Yorck DPM agasint 35mm armour or less = 6890 (24% accuracy from warships.today 2 week average) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Userext Beta Tester 5,342 posts 2,957 battles Report post #27 Posted August 4, 2016 IJN destroyers No, not even close. I can argue, at length, why the tier 7 Hatsuharu is the worst Japanese destroyer as well as possibly the worst destroyer in the entire game. The IJN sweet spots are at tier 5 with the blisteringly fast Minekaze and her autoloading torpedoes and at tier 8 with the Fubuki with her lethal Ibuki torpedoes and virtually cruiser tier guns. The man that can say hatsuharu is worst doesnt know about kagero's powers(!) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TTTX] Ictogan Players 1,841 posts 7,432 battles Report post #28 Posted August 4, 2016 Don't forget that HE damage number is for citadels only, real HE damage averages out at 25% (33% penetration then 16% once the area is blackened) Fubuki DPM agasint 21mm armour or less = 9240 (40% accuracy from warships.today 2 week average, captain has BFT) Yorck DPM agasint 35mm armour or less = 6890 (24% accuracy from warships.today 2 week average) The reason why you see much better accuracy numbers on DDs than CAs is because they are usually engaging enemies from much closer. When fighting at the same ranges as Fubuki, Yorck will have similar hit rates. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stormchaser Beta Tester 97 posts 9,037 battles Report post #29 Posted August 4, 2016 Tiers 5-6-7 are my sweetspot! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LEWD] CLyDeThaMonKeY [LEWD] Beta Tester 436 posts 26,847 battles Report post #30 Posted August 4, 2016 I have a "couple" of sweetspots, 1 on each tier. 90% of the times I play these Im having fun - T1 Ze Hermelin - T2 Touchybanana - T3 Wicked - T4 Ishizuchi (Jupp, u heard right lol)- T5 Kongo (Been the sweetspot since I got her in Beta) - T6 Warspite- T7 Kiev - T8 Mikhail Kutuzov - T9 Iowa - T10 Montana Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SHAFT] viceadmiral123 Players 1,221 posts 29,485 battles Report post #31 Posted August 4, 2016 My observations are that t7 ships are relatively weaker links in the chain, but do not see t10 mm. t8 ships get a new module and have significantly better stats, but see t10 ships often. Overall, t5-t7 is where most fun can be found, with t8 getting a large variety of MM situations. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TTTX] Mayv Players 1,952 posts 7,021 battles Report post #32 Posted August 4, 2016 I am enjoying tier 8-10 the most at the moment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[STEG] chaosrealm93 Players 444 posts 7,465 battles Report post #33 Posted August 4, 2016 Z A O . 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[AMOK] Donar79 Players 1,968 posts 9,010 battles Report post #34 Posted August 4, 2016 USN battleships The Colorado is notoriously bad. I can't say, never played her myself. The New Mexico is bad though. so? and NM is a [edited]meat grinder, believe me Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Siegwald Beta Tester 299 posts 3,637 battles Report post #35 Posted August 4, 2016 NM somehow feels like an Orc with a shotgun while Colorado is the plain vanilla warrior with sword and shield... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] Kenliero Players 2,478 posts 11,184 battles Report post #36 Posted August 4, 2016 Yorck and Mahan both are very underrated ships. People assume they are the same as before. Both of them were heavily buffed. Mahan has great torps now and Yorck received buff to turret rotation. If I recall correctly, my winrate in yorck is over 60 and Mahan over 70, so I have very good memories. Has Mahan not already proved herself to you in the rankeds? Don't forget "Sweet Atlanta". Which is always fun Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Devantejah Alpha Tester 1,049 posts 2,356 battles Report post #37 Posted August 4, 2016 USN battleships The Colorado is notoriously bad. I can't say, never played her myself. The New Mexico is bad though. What. New Mexico is an amazing ship and Colorado is great as well. People just don't know how to play it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ST-EU] Admiral_noodle Supertest Coordinator 6,337 posts 4,395 battles Report post #38 Posted August 4, 2016 What. New Mexico is an amazing ship and Colorado is great as well. People just don't know how to play it. Which is confusing. It's not exactly a challenging ship to play in my opinion. Neither are.... I think it's a play style thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[GOT] GoT_PcDealer Players 386 posts 16,082 battles Report post #39 Posted August 4, 2016 USN battleships The Colorado is notoriously bad. I can't say, never played her myself. The New Mexico is bad though. USN carriers The Ranger lacks the air dominance over the IJN line that the Langley, Bogue, and Indy had and the Lexington is such a massive improvement in destructive potential that she is often renowned for being one of the worst carriers of the USN lines. She's not a bad carrier though, not from what I did with her on the test server. Still, not a sweet spot. New Mexico bad? Very fine brawler ship with good AA when specced to AA. Can swat planes so good, carriers don't pay atttention, fly over them and lose their squadrons. It is in the top of my list for k/d ratio, 40k dmg on average. Plane kill rate right after Cleveland(!) My best carrier stats are in the Ranger. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[IRQ] AnotherDuck [IRQ] Players 2,930 posts 7,510 battles Report post #40 Posted August 4, 2016 The man that can say hatsuharu is worst doesnt know about kagero's powers(!) My stats in Kagero and Hatsuharu are better than in Fubuki... They're not nearly as bad as a lot of people claim. Although recently I've had a crap winrate all over since the patch. A lot of it is probably due to the tier changes, since I play T5 a lot. Sweet spots, well, IJN destroyers have several. Umikaze, Isokaze, Minekaze (and variants), and Fubuki are probably the most prominent ones, although as I mentioned I've done reasonably well in Kagero and Hatsuharu as well. The entire line is reasonably solid. IJN cruisers, I'd have to say Myoko. Just a plain fun ship to play. I did like Furutaka and Aoba, although it was several updates since I played them. IJN battleships have Kongo and Fuso, both great in their own, different ways. Not sure how it is past Nagato. USN destroyers have fairly solid ships throughout the line. Benson is great, and it doesn't really get worse higher up either. Can't say much about other ships. Don't like the KM cruisers, and I'm only up to Kirov for the SN cruisers. Haven't had a good game in that one since the patch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Woofbark Players 100 posts 1,820 battles Report post #41 Posted August 4, 2016 I've played mostly the KM cruiser line and the Yorck wasn't a good ship for me. 89 battles and 40% win rate. Might have been sustained bad luck with random teams. I'd like ranked to come back as I didn't get a chance to play higher ranks last time. I think Yorck would be somewhat better with less opponents as it tends to do well up close which is difficult in randoms. I got the latest ARP Myoko and it's a much easier ship to do well with. Just load HE and blast anything in range while trying to avoid taking too much damage. I've also tried IJN destroyers up to T7 and the Hatsuharu is literally a worse ship than the T5 Minekaze. In fact it goes Minekaze > Mitsuki > Hatsuharu. I think I like playing cruisers the most but find them underpowered compared to BB's and DD's. CV's just aren't really much fun but I could probably play the Langley if I wanted to statpad because it seems very powerful at T4. I play the Kirishima a lot when I'm not wanting to try too hard because it is so easy to play and get results with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] lup3s Players 5,744 posts 32,730 battles Report post #42 Posted August 4, 2016 (edited) The Colorado is notoriously bad. I can't say, never played her myself. The New Mexico is bad though. ...... De gustibus et coloribus .. I think the Colorado is a good battleship and I like playing it. Its armour is more reliable than the Nagato and its AA defence is simply devastating. I also think the New Mexico is a good battleship. It also has more reliable armour and its a way better brawler than the Fuso. Edited August 4, 2016 by lup3s 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ST-EU] Admiral_noodle Supertest Coordinator 6,337 posts 4,395 battles Report post #43 Posted August 4, 2016 I've played mostly the KM cruiser line and the Yorck wasn't a good ship for me. 89 battles and 40% win rate. Might have been sustained bad luck with random teams. I'd like ranked to come back as I didn't get a chance to play higher ranks last time. I think Yorck would be somewhat better with less opponents as it tends to do well up close which is difficult in randoms. I got the latest ARP Myoko and it's a much easier ship to do well with. Just load HE and blast anything in range while trying to avoid taking too much damage. I've also tried IJN destroyers up to T7 and the Hatsuharu is literally a worse ship than the T5 Minekaze. In fact it goes Minekaze > Mitsuki > Hatsuharu. I think I like playing cruisers the most but find them underpowered compared to BB's and DD's. CV's just aren't really much fun but I could probably play the Langley if I wanted to statpad because it seems very powerful at T4. I play the Kirishima a lot when I'm not wanting to try too hard because it is so easy to play and get results with. Funny when I was grinding Yorck I pretended I was an IJN cruiser, got DE and burned everything from range 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_GrimLock__ Players 371 posts 8,020 battles Report post #44 Posted August 4, 2016 T7-colorado,super strong ship accurate guns ,tanks a lot of damage t6-molotov t5-murmansk t6-north carolina t9-iowa t10-zao,gearing Lolorado is strong and quite good can wreck Nagato without issues 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] lup3s Players 5,744 posts 32,730 battles Report post #45 Posted August 4, 2016 Lolorado is strong and quite good can wreck Nagato without issues my thoughts exactly 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SLOTH] txtspeak Players 3,041 posts 5,653 battles Report post #46 Posted August 4, 2016 USN Carriers I dont know, not played them all that much but probably the lexington. USN Battleships. probably the new mexico with it's insane armour USN Cruisers. cleveland without a shadow of a doubt, by far the best ship at tier 6. USN Destroyers. probably fletcher from what I've heard about it KM Cruisers. I've not played this all that much at all although I've heard the konigsberg is very good SN cruisers. chapayev certainatly gives me a lot of trouble but I've never played a single soviet/russian ship so I dunno SN Destroyers. from what I've heard the Kiev is extremely good IJN Carriers. No frickin clue IJN Battleships. Fuso without a doubt, 14 inchers shred anything they see and fuso is COVERED in them IJN Cruisers. Currently Zao although I suspect she will be nerfed very soon IJN Destroyers. Isokaze is the best in the line IMO. Better guns than the next 3 ships up and the same torpedos as the minekaze, its only disadvantage is a relativly slow speed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tekacko Players 309 posts 6,030 battles Report post #47 Posted August 4, 2016 For me it is the Kirov From the 40 battles I have played with her so far she feels borderline OP. Salvos for 10-15k are pretty common once you learn how not to be an HE spamming retard. I managed to rack up 50.500 average damage on her, which I find respectable for a tier V. Furutaka is also pretty strong, but only has 6 guns compared to Kirov´s 9. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Userext Beta Tester 5,342 posts 2,957 battles Report post #48 Posted August 4, 2016 My stats in Kagero and Hatsuharu are better than in Fubuki... They're not nearly as bad as a lot of people claim. Although recently I've had a crap winrate all over since the patch. A lot of it is probably due to the tier changes, since I play T5 a lot Thats due to kagero receiving a mindless buff at 0.5.3 if you would look at diffrences between upgraded kagero and upgraded fletcher you would see the only thing kagero has over fletcher is its consealment. No i m not joking torpedoes are seriously worse than fletcher Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[IRQ] AnotherDuck [IRQ] Players 2,930 posts 7,510 battles Report post #49 Posted August 4, 2016 Thats due to kagero receiving a mindless buff at 0.5.3 if you would look at diffrences between upgraded kagero and upgraded fletcher you would see the only thing kagero has over fletcher is its consealment. No i m not joking torpedoes are seriously worse than fletcher Why are you trying to tell me how two of my ships perform the way I play them? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Woofbark Players 100 posts 1,820 battles Report post #50 Posted August 4, 2016 Funny when I was grinding Yorck I pretended I was an IJN cruiser, got DE and burned everything from range I tried that approach but found I didn't put out enough dps to have an influence on the game. But then that is a problem with randoms, it's difficult to improve because you can be doing everything right and lose 10 games in a row and then try something that is bad and win 10 games in a row. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites