I finally get t10 ship but get bankrupt by repairbills

[GulvkluderGuld]

Laughed when he put DDs and cannon balls in the same sentence. Then gave up on reading the rest.

 

I really miss that Premiere League flag for 20% discount on repairs  + July 20% discount on top.

Tier 8 I can manage without running a deficit, but tier 9 is pushing it. Just having a normal game and taking > 50% damage leaves me with a deficit.

[Admiral_noodle]

you call that game play? why not make the game cost money to buy instead of the hoax, remember there is NO OTHER NAVAL GAME. it sounds like most people are jsut letting them be fucked in the [edited], like sheep like in the real world, why cpoy it in a game? and i dont take "trolls" serious, and im not one hehe.

I jsut want gameplay and the more the gamer controls the more gameplay, if you do not understand that you might ahver never tried playing OLD games from when the PC era started or even before the PC.

 

Because you don't need to pay a thing. I lose money at tier 9. Especially as I suck. Which makes it worse!

 

one game at tier 6 with a premium ship covers those losses. 

 

Without ut premium at all, maybe two games in an elite ship. So your options are:

 

- rage that life isn't fair and maybe quit 

- play like a god and make money at tier X

- play ok and make a small loss 

- get premium or pay real money to cover losses 

- play a lower tier ship alternately to cover your losses. 

 

This isn't just to make WG money. It's also to stop people only playing tier X. And for a reason for premiums to exist. Which is money actually  

 

Why do we accept it? The game is free. We understand developers need to eat. We understand wows needs to make money or else there would be no game. We don't have a world view that thinks we are entitled to everything we want, when we want, for free. Have fun

[Commodore_DK]

i give up. no serious people replying. there is no reason for a repair bill at all. or is it so you dont loose the grip of reality?

sounds like you guys never have tried a real game. but hey not your fault cus you might be born to late for that, i feel sorry for us all on that part that the real games that is games with no penalty other than you loose, if you understand that sentence? indeed the games that is offered to gamers nowadays is purely to [edited]your soft sheep [edited]. if you cant even handle critisism, then stop bothering wiht your lowsy comments about salt. truly its sad for you guys who think this is the best. also jsut because others have mentioned the same issue is not making it going away after several threaths/posts, cus it is a gameplay breaker. you guys just try defend the game in unserious manners. i gave my point of views even with the suggestions that they could change it, you say they have lowered the repair bill many times but you dont get the point, the point is it should not be there at all, it doesnt make people play better, its just making them understand that t10 is not fun cus they have to think about credits instead ofactually playing, and they freak out if they die fast, and most do cus of the blend of total clueless pay to win kids vs dedicated gameplayers. and the other titels you mention is a joke.

 

regards im out of this kindergarden...have fun ruining other posts....mindless [edited].

[Deckeru_Maiku]

what is the point... <snip>?

 

The point is, T10 ships are just something to look at and admire in the harbour.

 

If you want to PLAY WoWs, use T5/6 ships. More fun, less bankruptcy

[Niibler]

More damage you do more money you earn, use some cost reduction flags.

Stop shooting HE or snipping from 23km.

Use premium.

The above will decrease your costs, if you want to earn credits you need to go to lower tiers, extra money comes in those, also if you use a premium ship you get even more credits .

 

WG already said that the business model they want is to make people need to grind credits in lower tiers in order to play high tiers. If that is right or wrong is questionable but it's their game and they can do whatever they want with it, don't like it? Go play another thing, tbh no one actually cares.

 

[loppantorkel]

Being top tier every game should come with some penalty/punishment.

[Admiral_noodle]

i give up. no serious people replying. there is no reason for a repair bill at all. or is it so you dont loose the grip of reality?

sounds like you guys never have tried a real game. but hey not your fault cus you might be born to late for that, i feel sorry for us all on that part that the real games that is games with no penalty other than you loose, if you understand that sentence? indeed the games that is offered to gamers nowadays is purely to [edited]your soft sheep [edited]. if you cant even handle critisism, then stop bothering wiht your lowsy comments about salt. truly its sad for you guys who think this is the best. also jsut because others have mentioned the same issue is not making it going away after several threaths/posts, cus it is a gameplay breaker. you guys just try defend the game in unserious manners. i gave my point of views even with the suggestions that they could change it, you say they have lowered the repair bill many times but you dont get the point, the point is it should not be there at all, it doesnt make people play better, its just making them understand that t10 is not fun cus they have to think about credits instead ofactually playing, and they freak out if they die fast, and most do cus of the blend of total clueless pay to win kids vs dedicated gameplayers. and the other titels you mention is a joke.

 

regards im out of this kindergarden...have fun ruining other posts....mindless [edited].

 

Excellent analysis. You read but clearly did not understand. I think it's pointless attempting further reasonable discourse. 

[Cyberdreg]

i give up. no serious people replying. there is no reason for a repair bill at all. or is it so you dont loose the grip of reality? 

:This is a free to play game. Free to play gaming is a consept of making people use microtransactions to progress (faster) in the game. But wargamings micro is a bit macro.

sounds like you guys never have tried a real game.

:We have but as above the idea of a free to play game is to make it so hard to play it for free that u spend more money instead of what a aaa game costs.

 but hey not your fault cus you might be born to late for that

:Avarage age in this game is rather high im 30 but i think i am not avarage age of pålayers it is higher.

, i feel sorry for us all on that part that the real games that is games with no penalty other than you loose,

:Yes the new world order.

if you understand that sentence? indeed the games that is offered to gamers nowadays is purely to [edited]your soft sheep [edited].

:True.

if you cant even handle critisism, then stop bothering wiht your lowsy comments about salt. truly its sad for you guys who think this is the best. also jsut because others have mentioned the same issue is not making it going away after several threaths/posts

:You shalt not complain. No but its a free to play game and you are free to stop playing and try other naval games they do exist.

, cus it is a gameplay breaker. you guys just try defend the game in unserious manners. i gave my point of views even with the suggestions that they could change it,

:As stated above wargamings idea is that you grind to tier 10 and cant affard to play it you have to convert cretits for real money OR grind credits in low tiers.

you say they have lowered the repair bill many times but you dont get the point, the point is it should not be there at all, it doesnt make people play better, its just making them understand that t10 is not fun cus they have to think about credits instead ofactually playing, and they freak out if they die fast, and most do cus of the blend of total clueless pay to win kids vs dedicated gameplayers. and the other titels you mention is a joke.

 

regards im out of this kindergarden...have fun ruining other posts....mindless [edited].

See answers in quote.

[duoinvasion]

This thread gave me diseases I didn't know even existed. You sir, are a troll, and a bad one at that.

I wanna say so much more but I would be banned for it ;p

[Shirakami_Kon]

what is the point that no matter how good i play t10 then i loose money and can not repair and play my ship again.

i tried a montana but the reload time and that the enemy just zig zag or torp me, and the MAP IS TOO* SMALL

 

Map is what? How? Who says that? Who are you?!

 

I stopped reading there by the way. Anyone that plays a Montana thinking the tier 10 maps are too small means they obviously have no room... for getting more far and far and faaaaar from any enemy. We all know what that means if a BB does that and we all know it's not good for anyone. So yeah, I don't need to know more. 

[CountOfTuscany]

i give up. no serious people replying. there is no reason for a repair bill at all. or is it so you dont loose the grip of reality?

sounds like you guys never have tried a real game. but hey not your fault cus you might be born to late for that, i feel sorry for us all on that part that the real games that is games with no penalty other than you loose, if you understand that sentence? indeed the games that is offered to gamers nowadays is purely to [edited]your soft sheep [edited]. if you cant even handle critisism, then stop bothering wiht your lowsy comments about salt. truly its sad for you guys who think this is the best. also jsut because others have mentioned the same issue is not making it going away after several threaths/posts, cus it is a gameplay breaker. you guys just try defend the game in unserious manners. i gave my point of views even with the suggestions that they could change it, you say they have lowered the repair bill many times but you dont get the point, the point is it should not be there at all, it doesnt make people play better, its just making them understand that t10 is not fun cus they have to think about credits instead ofactually playing, and they freak out if they die fast, and most do cus of the blend of total clueless pay to win kids vs dedicated gameplayers. and the other titels you mention is a joke.

 

regards im out of this kindergarden...have fun ruining other posts....mindless [edited].

 

It's kind of funny how you criticize others for being unable to "handle critisism", while your posts show that you can't really deal with criticism and end up with making snarky comments.

 

I understand why people would play conservative with their ships in tier 10 because they don't want to lose credits. But I guess that is also okay since your top tier anyway and can bash lower tier stuff. Also players keep having an incentive to play lower tiers, keeping those populated as well (as was already mentioned).

 

After all this game is free to play, but the servers don't run for free, nor do the developers develop the game for free. Money has gotta come from somewhere. WG's business model does not build on paying a fixed price (like €50) to get access to the game, nor a monthly fee or whatever. So I think this balance where some sort of investment (premium time, premium ships) is needed to constantly play tier 10 ships is fair. And well... it didn't make them poor, so it works.

 

[brutus007]

OP is either troll or [edited] - either way, no need to waste time here

[tomkrist]

Its funny to see that everyone says that :"Yeah, it should be expensive. You never tried a tier 10 game before? It is like that in
wot, so it also must be like this in wows and every other games wg produce".

 

What if he has a point here? Why should you loose money on the best ships ingame? Maybe a change is what it is
needed? Here you are using alot of time and effort to get a high cost ship, just to see that : No, you must go back
and play other ships to keep it going. What if you are tired of the lower tier. What if you only want to play high
tier? Why should a tier 5 low cost ship bring in more money than a tier 10? Hello? Maybe rethinking and newthinking
is a good idea. Thing can be changes, but that means you need to get a finger out and look forward. Not backward!

[Spellfire40]

Simple Perl of wisdom: 

 

If you afraid to get damaged and lose money dont take a warship Into battle. Especally not in high tir. If your afraid of that in a high tir BB and let that dictate the way you play you screw yourself and your team.

 

Ever heared the term selffolfilling prophycy? 

[Admiral_noodle]

Its funny to see that everyone says that :"Yeah, it should be expensive. You never tried a tier 10 game before? It is like that in

wot, so it also must be like this in wows and every other games wg produce".

 

What if he has a point here? Why should you loose money on the best ships ingame? Maybe a change is what it is

needed? Here you are using alot of time and effort to get a high cost ship, just to see that : No, you must go back

and play other ships to keep it going. What if you are tired of the lower tier. What if you only want to play high

tier? Why should a tier 5 low cost ship bring in more money than a tier 10? Hello? Maybe rethinking and newthinking

is a good idea. Thing can be changes, but that means you need to get a finger out and look forward. Not backward!

 

It would be great if repair costs were removed. In fact why not the whole economy and grind!

 

But we know this won't happen because this is part of the business model which allows the game to be free...

[sLendeR4skin]

You cant make a profit in T10 even with a win only doing 50K dmg. Hell there are times i do 150K and still lose credits.

[Sophia_Mus]

Ah, I have never played t10, but feel that even at t8 it can be a problem to earn enough to pay the repair bill,

unless I use Tirpitz ofc. I do believe WG should cut the cost of repair on t8 to t10 in half, that way casual players

like me could still play them and have fun, without loosing credits every single game.

Also it should be possible to earn dublons in game like say you get 10 if your team wins and you are in the top 5.

That way bb players may get an excuse fore NOT holding back and camp all the time, but actually play instead.

 

[Agantas]

The Moscow is not for cheap captains that can't afford the repair bills. Here's guide:

 

[Adwaenyth]

Ah, I have never played t10, but feel that even at t8 it can be a problem to earn enough to pay the repair bill,

unless I use Tirpitz ofc. I do believe WG should cut the cost of repair on t8 to t10 in half, that way casual players

like me could still play them and have fun, without loosing credits every single game.

Also it should be possible to earn dublons in game like say you get 10 if your team wins and you are in the top 5.

That way bb players may get an excuse fore NOT holding back and camp all the time, but actually play instead.

 

 

The mindset of having high repair costs at T10 is so that the middle tiers (where you earn money) do not suffer population shortages and of course that you pay for premium so that you can play the high tier ships longer without having to grind money on T5-6.

[basharran]

I've once managed to loose credits on a tier 6 or 7 ship, got blown out of the water in the first 30 seconds of the match by long range BB fire and a "detonation", mind you this was with a premium account as well. Overall though I don't have any problems with getting some surplus silver for each game I play (only my NC can sometimes be around break even on less stellar games).

 

To OP: try to have fun and be less aggrevated, it's only game (why you heff to be mad?).

[brutus007]

All this bull****....

WG is not a charity. They are creating games to make money as everybody else. There is many ways to get money from the players. Starting from (most decent) monthly subscription and ending with Korean casino games where you are forced by brutal RNG mechanics to spend tons of time and money to be competitive in endgame.

Compared to these options WG model is extremly "soft" as you can play endgame without ever paying a cent and still have completely same playing field as soemone who spent thousands of euro.

So how is WG making the money?

- selling premium account - this is pretty much soft subscription model, it is quite cheap (on par with subscrition in other online games) with advantage - you do not HAVE to pay for it. It just increases your income and speeds up the leveling process. If you are a good player this is enough to do not loose money on any tier

- selling premium ships - option to get steady income with one-off expense instead of paying premium. Here is probably only P2W element I see as higher tier premiums tend to be better compared to same tier normal ships.

- selling consumables - these will provide you with small bonuses, speeds your leveling and/or improve the income. Good alternative for someone who plays few battles a day and do not want to spend money on premium or nice boost for someone who wants to grind faster with flags&premium cumulative effect

-- compared to Wot there is no gold munition which is (at least for me) HUGE step forward and is making WoWs much better game

 

Overall - you have several choices:

- do not pay a cent and play only up to tier where your skill allows you not to loose money

- do not pay a cent and alternate higher tier with lower tier moneymaker (T5-6 are good for this)

- pay premium - essentially subscription

- buy premium ship and alternate her with high tier. Better income of premium ship will allow you to play more top tier

- get super skilled player and do not loose money even on T10

- program your own game with much better economy model and make even more money then WG. Then trump Serb in cosmic program and buy even larger building on Cyprus.

 

[Amon_ITA]

 

The mindset of having high repair costs at T10 is so that the middle tiers (where you earn money) do not suffer population shortages and of course that you pay for premium so that you can play the high tier ships longer without having to grind money on T5-6.

 

 

That's how i see it too, and i really think that's the real motive behind the high repair costs for high tiers.

[philjd]

Ok, I'll bite.

 

Some basics about the WG approach to their games:-

 

1) There is NO end game... no target tier to achieve. They provide 10 levels of ships per type per nation (well, eventually comparable trees for each nation according to their naval history).

2) The most important tiers in the game will PROBABLY be 6, 8 and 10. as these are likely to be used for competitive team battles.

3) The running costs for ships in each tier are geared to encourage players to utilise all the tiers and not just the highest tiers that they have unlocked.

4) The reward system is geared to reward damage done during and winning battles, not just for turning up in them - you want lots of income, then do lots of damage and win the battles, even if you do well, T10 will be tough to break even on.

5) If you want a boost to your income, then run a premium account - WG is not a charity and does not exist purely for the players enjoyment - it wants you to enjoy the game, find challenges in them, even knowledge about history and the mechanics of each game perhaps, but at the end of the day, they need to make a profit also, otherwise why would they bother.

 

But number 1 remains the most important of these in this context, the others exist to 'encourage' players in that direction.

[ghostbuster_]

you call that game play? why not make the game cost money to buy instead of the hoax, remember there is NO OTHER NAVAL GAME. it sounds like most people are jsut letting them be fucked in the [edited], like sheep like in the real world, why cpoy it in a game? and i dont take "trolls" serious, and im not one hehe.

I jsut want gameplay and the more the gamer controls the more gameplay, if you do not understand that you might ahver never tried playing OLD games from when the PC era started or even before the PC.

 

look mate there is no problem with economy here.play good=gain tons of credits. but if you suck in it, you lose credits its that simple. if you suck in tier 10s and lose money all the time, go back to lower tiers and learn how to play better. 

 

and if you are so salty about this game, just quit. dont play it. 

[Ferry_25]

It's been debated thouroughly in the Forum. I have drawn pretty much the conclusion I suck too much for the top tiers. 9 and 10 that is. And I find the battles boring beyond believe. The economy is IMO paralizing those battles: everybody, OK much people, are afraid of the repair bills and don't do anything. I want action and combat together with tactics and good teamplay. PlayTW! I'm bored to death by circling around for 10 minutes and then getting 1 shot by the 25 km away Yamato. If I push, nobody's follwing me and I get 1 shot by the same Yamato from 15 km away. I'm not afraid of losing or making a loss in profit though. It's just that I hate to be punished by trying to play well. Kangeroo f.e. I can't make that ship earn a dime. I cap, scout, land an occasional torp or doing some other damage. Getting no damage or a minor scratch, we win the battle and still I can part from 50k credits. Of course I'm not expecting a profit of 500 grant. But this has completely demotivated me to try it very often. So what I have done is stick to t5-8 range. Yeah occasionally making a loss there too. But that's because of me sucking (98% of the times) or plain bad luck (2%). And the loss is managable: 2 mediocre follow up games and I have it back.

 

I consider reaching a T10 ship as an accomplishment. But the main role of the 9-10 ships are decorating my port.