Is Flint really that OP?

[ColonelPete]

 

 

From what I can tell, NOTHING in this game comes close to these percentages. On the other hand, 5% of the already small number of players is gonna skew the results... We'll see, I guess.

 

That is the reason you do not use the Top 5% of the Flint.

If you take Top 5% of any other Tier VII cruiser and compare that with the Flint player base, you get roughly similar player bases. Flint player base is probably still smaller.

If you took the Top 5% of Flint that is like taking the Top 5% of the Top 5% (basicly taking the Top 0,25%) of any other cruiser.

[Ictogan]

 

Met the first one today in my NC.

Half my team got annihilated in the first 4-5 minutes. Hit a cuople shells for 3,5k on him and spent the rest of my miserable game running from him + 2 dd, a mogami and 2 bb.

I will say it takes a while, even for a Flint, to burn a NC down.

The team had NO idea how to deal with it and got rekt good, even though I warned them i chat.

 

Well, the problem is that there aren't really a lot of ways to fight a flint.

Torps into smoke? It can run hydro and people often use that.

Radar? Ships with that being in the area it's more the exception than the rule.

Hydro? The cruiser getting that close will lose quite a bit of HP on its way and it's only really possible if the enemy doesn't have battleships in the area, in which case a cruiser charging in would be complete suicide. Also requires a Hydro equipped cruiser in the first place, which is not always the case.

Kill all ships that are spotting for it? Not possible in most circumstances and close to impossible if there's a CV.

Charging the smoke? You will lose a lot of your HP on the way in, the rest to the Benson torps.

Ignoring it? Might work for a short while, but you really want to minimize the time it can shoot at you as much as possible.

So the only real option in many cases is to run away.

[EsaTuunanen]

For tier 7, only Indianapolis and Atlanta with radar can counter Flint.

And if Flint has any real support those will sink as fast as exposed Flint would.

 

To anyone saying Flint can be countered effectively how about you give viable plan to counter this situation:

Flint making its closed beta level smoke cloud to hide...

With stealthy destroyer in front of smoke to spot any attackers...

And some hidden team mates more behind that smoke to add firepower for fast killing of anything trying to close.

 

Short of torpedo wall from couple Shimakazes I just don't see anything which would be actual strong counter against such roadblock.

If attacking team puts more ships into attack than there are defenders that means weaker situation elsewhere...

And while being able to angle against smoke attackers would be easily exposed to broadside hits from elsewhere while being burned by hidden ships.

 

When supported by team (or at least some team mates) Flint is simply ultimate defense weapon.

[Celandri]

my biggest question actualy is why do the flint have the beta smoke, when they found out on beta it was way to strong and nerfed hardcore.

And who the hell actualy tested this ship with this smoke and knew the beta smoke was that strong and still dint complain about it?

 

[BuccaneerBill]

 

I did state your particular point in my post, if you will notice. I'd like to add though that it's wrong to assume that Flint owners are necessarily the best of the best. While many of them undoubtedly are, there are quite a few players who repeatedly grinded their way to Rank 1 with sheer numbers of matches played.

 

Sorry didn't think you did but OK. Fair enough point though, some will got there through pure force of will, but even then to get rank 1 three times, you must be at least decent. They wouldn't be included in the top 5% though. I guess wargaming will look at how the top players perform in flint, compared to other ships they own, then decide.

[Ictogan]

my biggest question actualy is why do the flint have the beta smoke, when they found out on beta it was way to strong and nerfed hardcore.

And who the hell actualy tested this ship with this smoke and knew the beta smoke was that strong and still dint complain about it?

 

 

Are you sure it's beta smoke? I think it's just the same smoke as USN DDs.

[Mr_Burke]

Flint has superior AA compared to Cleveland?

[piritskenyer]

I think Flint performs very well because it's a reward ship for people who got to rank I in at least two ranked seasons. Which means they are good players, and they can make the ship work.

[von_chom]

I think Flint performs very well because it's a reward ship for people who got to rank I in at least two ranked seasons. Which means they are good players, and they can make the ship work.

 

true, but there are certain limits ships cannot go over no matter who is behind the steering wheel 

[S4h3L]

Its just slow T7 Kebab with citadel so I dont understand this fuss 

 

[Gnomus]

Is there any way/website to see consumable specs for ships you don't own your self?

 

MK also has smoke, but laying time is short (and MK slowing from full speed will not get cover from smoke), duration medium and cool down means that you can only get around 50/50 cover even if you have smokes to pop (base 1, +1 from premium +1 from Intendend), so it is not game breaking.

 

It would be interesting to see specs of Flint smoke.

[basharran]

Is there any way/website to see consumable specs for ships you don't own your self?

 

MK also has smoke, but laying time is short (and MK slowing from full speed will not get cover from smoke), duration medium and cool down means that you can only get around 50/50 cover even if you have smokes to pop (base 1, +1 from premium +1 from Intendend), so it is not game breaking.

 

It would be interesting to see specs of Flint smoke.

 

From the ichase video I'd say: 4 or 5 puffs, long duration (90 seconds) and cooldown of about 35 seconds (all from the top of my head, so don't string me up on any mistakes).

[Ictogan]

Is there any way/website to see consumable specs for ships you don't own your self?

 

MK also has smoke, but laying time is short (and MK slowing from full speed will not get cover from smoke), duration medium and cool down means that you can only get around 50/50 cover even if you have smokes to pop (base 1, +1 from premium +1 from Intendend), so it is not game breaking.

 

It would be interesting to see specs of Flint smoke.

 

It's the same as US DD smoke for t7, so it lasts 121s and is being laid for 27s.

[brutus007]

I am genuinely annoyed being shot by 2 invisible cruisers who are alternating smoke generation...

If this is not OP then I do not know what is.

[Celandri]

well remember that dd smoke should not be on normal CA /CL ships, MK, IA got short smoke like something i would expect be on a CA /CL ship, Flint is like Atlanta with smoke and way better torps, so i am and do wonder how this could pass the test reviews.

 

it was a reason why the rage on beta was on the us ships with the long smoke timers where you had 10 to 30 sec window to the next smoke could be reactivated and well this ship have the same issue they tried to remove in beta.

[Bazoroth]

 

It's the same as US DD smoke for t7, so it lasts 121s and is being laid for 27s.

 

And has a Reload Time of 240 for standard and 160 for premium.

[piritskenyer]

 

true, but there are certain limits ships cannot go over no matter who is behind the steering wheel 

 

That is well undestood, but maybe these guys have the max geared DD cpt's to put in there to make the ships "OP-ish". Sure I understand that there is a limitation to everything, but it seems that the Atlanta/Flint type may not be as bad as everyone was led to believe and maybe Atlanta's stats are just tarnished by incompetent cpt's. There was a thread around here where every competent Atlanta cpt were posting there e-peen increasing results with rdiculous amunts of damage and xp, which would not be possible in an outright bad ship more than a few time and even then only with a healthy dose of luck.

Hope you get what I'm trying to say...

[Celandri]

Atlanta isnt a bad ship, its realy weird ship as if you can get to islands, its op ship. if you get it in the open its a crap ship. but with flint, well you make your own islands, so its op every time it can use its smoke.

i followed a american dd with my Atlanta and well i did 300 hits that battle without sweating as i could just stay there and shoot in the smoke and the enemy ships had issues shooting and when they came to close they got torps to their ships.

[RedStorm1]

 

Just out of curiosity, how many Flints have been distributed???

[ColonelPete]

We will see a rough number next week with server stats.

[GulvkluderGuld]

 

Well, the problem is that there aren't really a lot of ways to fight a flint.

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Ignoring it? Might work for a short while, but you really want to minimize the time it can shoot at you as much as possible.

So the only real option in many cases is to run away.

 

True.

 

Either you need a substantial numerical advantage and push hard as a team (like 1:100 to get such a team in Randoms)

Or just ignore it and run away untill there is something (radar, numbers, lots of torps) to deal with it

[Zogash85]

I've only seen one Flint so far, and while he did kill me that wasn't much of an accomplishment on his part, considering I had only 1.3k HP left at the time I met him, and the one AP salvo from my Cleveland that I got off before I croaked did give him 4 Citadels and left him on a sliver of health himself.

 

Is it a tough nut to crack when it's sitting in smoke? Definitely. But it's still only an Atlanta hull - cardboard held together by chewing gum - so aim at the origin of his shells while trying to stay more than 13km away and you should be able to hurt him.

[mtm78]

 

Sorry didn't think you did but OK. Fair enough point though, some will got there through pure force of will, but even then to get rank 1 three times, you must be at least decent. They wouldn't be included in the top 5% though. I guess wargaming will look at how the top players perform in flint, compared to other ships they own, then decide.

 

 

There been people who grinded thousands of ranked matches to reach rank 1 with a 4x% win rate. Sorry but your notion is simply, very very wrong. 

[BuccaneerBill]

 

 

There been people who grinded thousands of ranked matches to reach rank 1 with a 4x% win rate. Sorry but your notion is simply, very very wrong. 

 

OK shows us all the people who have played thousands of matches and got rank 1 in three seasons with a poor winrate. Let's see how many it is.

[StringWitch]

Flint has superior AA compared to Cleveland?

 

Slightly so. Their armaments are very similar but Flint's layout for the 5" guns gives them much better convergence of fire angles around the ship.