Is Flint really that OP?

[lup3s]

 

Maybe i'm defending the flint because i really, really want to get one the next season.

 

Is the Flint always a reward for reaching rank 1? (have only played the last season of Ranked Battles but didn't reach rank 1 due to time limit)

 

Also,

I just saw iChase´s video of a Flint in action ........

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHLklryf0BA 

 

I've just watched that video. At the start he claims the AA defence of the Flint is much better than that of the Atlanta.. Really?

Warships compare

 

And if the smoke and torpedoes are what makes the Flint "OP", maybe reduce the amount of smokes and the torpedo range?

Or keep the ship as it is and make it T8?

[aquiles7389]

There was a Flint in the enemy team on a battle couple weeks ago (test server). The ship is OP, no question about it, move it to tier 8 or increase the cooling down time for the smoke....Not even snoop dogg can make so much smoke.

I played ranked (2 battles only) but found the salt too unbearable...My liver health is more important than a Flint tbh...

[brutus007]

Biggest "fun" is to play against 2 Flints in division on teamspeak... I do not think they were visible for more then 1 min whole fight.

[aquiles7389]

Flint will be the first of a series of OP reward ships (WoT clan rewards OP tanks, anyone).

WG will never nerf it. So lets get used to it and accept what we all knew...WoWs is part of WG and WoT silly policies apply here too.

[Sub_Eleven]

Give my MK dat smoke plz

 

[KaLeuWillenbrock]

1. most ships he destroyed were low tier

2. the ships he engaged were busy fighting others

3. his targets were spotted by others

4. the york fired AP @ long range and missed @ close.

 

 

the ship might need adjustments in terms of smoke, Torpedos and maybe ROF, if it performes very well (statistially). while the ship looks like a beast, th only battleship engaged was tier 5. there were only close range Engagements, backup was always there and the enemy captains did not know what the flint is capable of.

 

ist too soon to call the ship op but its smoke is sick.

 

my statement is based on the video and the flint i had on a game yesterday - his performance was not as good against BB - he only killed ships on low health.

[Szatanshow]

Just got Flint on enemy team - he sail to midldle of map and sail there in his op smoke and all you could see entire game was HE flying  all over - few ships tryed to kill him - they didint even came close.... he just decimated them to firely death

 

Come to think - Flint is basicaly a Atlanta - just with beter gun and torpedo range - and of course way to OP smoke.... and its basicaly free.. so how unfair it is to Atlanta users who spend theri $$ for ship... that was just outclassed by a copy

 

[Darth_Glorious]

For tier 7, only Indianapolis and Atlanta with radar can counter Flint.

[deadly_if_swallowed]

I've just watched that video. At the start he claims the AA defence of the Flint is much better than that of the Atlanta.. Really?

Warships compare

 

Flint may be lacking 30 dps with 127mm long range artillery but never underestimate those 40mm Bofors I think only with Manual AA captain perk Atlanta can outmatch Flint's AA on paper but Flint will still have a stronger aura against non-targetted squads.

[Ictogan]

1. most ships he destroyed were low tier

2. the ships he engaged were busy fighting others

3. his targets were spotted by others

4. the york fired AP @ long range and missed @ close.

 

 

 

 

the ship might need adjustments in terms of smoke, Torpedos and maybe ROF, if it performes very well (statistially). while the ship looks like a beast, th only battleship engaged was tier 5. there were only close range Engagements, backup was always there and the enemy captains did not know what the flint is capable of.

 

 

ist too soon to call the ship op but its smoke is sick.

It seems to me that the flint doesn't really care which tier BBs it meets. If anything tier 5/6 BBs are stronger against it because they'll get less overpens.

Met a flint yesterday in my NC and the only thing I could do was run. And in the short time he was outside of smoke, I only got overpens on him.

[KaLeuWillenbrock]

It seems to me that the flint doesn't really care which tier BBs it meets. If anything tier 5/6 BBs are stronger against it because they'll get less overpens.

Met a flint yesterday in my NC and the only thing I could do was run. And in the short time he was outside of smoke, I only got overpens on him.

 

 

 

 

i added a small disclamer a few minutes ago.

 

 

the statment was based on the video and the one flint i had in my group yesterday. it is too soon, to say she is overpowered but i have to admit, that it is hard to counter her without Radar. german sonar may lasts long but its useless only for a longer time. 5,blablabla km is nothing and only useful when inside the smoke or very close to it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

i have to admit ... atm, it does not look that good for the flint.

[GrossadmiralThrawn]

 german sonar may lasts long but its useless only for a longer time. 5,blablabla km is nothing and only useful when inside the smoke or very close to it.

 

 

and the japanese sonar has it even worse in that regard...

[Sander93]

Maybe i'm defending the flint because i really, really want to get one the next season.

 

Yes you are, anyone with a sense for objectivity can clearly see that this ship is game breaking at the very least, if not OP. Meeting this ship will not be fun for anyone except the sole soul who plays it.

 

[ColonelPete]

Or anyone who has average knowledge of the smoke mechanic and knows how to counter it.

[gr0pah]

Or anyone who has average knowledge of the smoke mechanic and knows how to counter it.

 

You're still at it? 

[ColonelPete]

Everyone else is...

[_Teob_]

Everyone else is...

 

People keep telling you it's OP

People keep showing you stats that clearly show it's OP

People do video reviews on it stating why it's OP

 

Your answer?

 

 

Fight on, brave soul! Don't let reason get in the way of your unsupported anecdotal opinion!

[gr0pah]

 

People keep telling you it's OP

People keep showing you stats that clearly show it's OP

People do video reviews on it stating why it's OP

 

Your answer?

 

Fight on, brave soul! Don't let reason get in the way of your unsupported anecdotal opinion!

 

Please, this is a man with a solid ~1150 WTR on T7 BBs, I'm sure he'd dispatch a smoked up Flint with ease, and not burn like the rest.

 

Also you forgot to mention that almost all claims of "OP" comes from people that own and play it, while the brave soul does not, and have not.

[_Teob_]

 

Please, this is a man with a solid ~1150 WTR on T7 BBs, I'm sure he'd dispatch a smoked up Flint with ease, and not burn like the rest.

 

Also you forgot to mention that almost all claims of "OP" comes from people that own and play it, while the brave soul does not, and have not.

 

He's a Colonel - everyone else is a captain at most.

Colonels outrank captains ergo your argument is invalid. Sit back down!

[ColonelPete]

We do not have week of stats yet. just wait...

[Pajosaurus]

Yeah, let's wait for stats bit longer before we come to a definite conclusion.

Still, what stats we do have are quite telling. These are the win rates of the best 5% of players:

 

Flint: 85.29%

Shchors: 74.01%

Myoko: 71.32%

Indy: 74.73%

Atlanta: 66.37%

Yorck: 69.91%

Pensacola: 67.55%

 

From what I can tell, NOTHING in this game comes close to these percentages. On the other hand, 5% of the already small number of players is gonna skew the results... We'll see, I guess.

[KaLeuWillenbrock]

 

and the japanese sonar has it even worse in that regard.

 

in the end it boils down to "useless" and "worse and useless"?​

 

thats bad news. just because something is even worse, the "better" one does not become good or useful.

[BuccaneerBill]

Yeah, let's wait for stats bit longer before we come to a definite conclusion.

 

Still, what stats we do have are quite telling. These are the win rates of the best 5% of players:

 

Flint: 85.29%

Shchors: 74.01%

Myoko: 71.32%

Indy: 74.73%

Atlanta: 66.37%

Yorck: 69.91%

Pensacola: 67.55%

 

From what I can tell, NOTHING in this game comes close to these percentages. On the other hand, 5% of the already small number of players is gonna skew the results... We'll see, I guess.

 

So your comparing the win rate of the top 5% of the top 1% (estimate for Flint players) of players in WOWS to the win rate of the top 5% of all players in WOWS and wondering why it's higher? Have I got this wrong? Can't really do that. 

 

Really rough estimation that flint players are in the top 1% of players in wows, it's essentially wondering why the win rate of the top 0.05% of players is better than the top 5% of players. Pretty obvious.

[GulvkluderGuld]

It seems to me that the flint doesn't really care which tier BBs it meets. If anything tier 5/6 BBs are stronger against it because they'll get less overpens.

Met a flint yesterday in my NC and the only thing I could do was run. And in the short time he was outside of smoke, I only got overpens on him.

 

Met the first one today in my NC.

Half my team got annihilated in the first 4-5 minutes. Hit a cuople shells for 3,5k on him and spent the rest of my miserable game running from him + 2 dd, a mogami and 2 bb.

I will say it takes a while, even for a Flint, to burn a NC down.

The team had NO idea how to deal with it and got rekt good, even though I warned them i chat.

[Pajosaurus]

So your comparing the win rate of the top 5% of the top 1% (estimate for Flint players) of players in WOWS to the win rate of the top 5% of all players in WOWS and wondering why it's higher? Have I got this wrong? Can't really do that. 

 

Really rough estimation that flint players are in the top 1% of players in wows, it's essentially wondering why the win rate of the top 0.05% of players is better than the top 5% of players. Pretty obvious.

 

I did state your particular point in my post, if you will notice. I'd like to add though that it's wrong to assume that Flint owners are necessarily the best of the best. While many of them undoubtedly are, there are quite a few players who repeatedly grinded their way to Rank 1 with sheer numbers of matches played.