What I do not like in WoWs.

[AnotherDuck]

Well, technically, torpedoes for battleships is a German thing. They're there for a couple of the standard battleships coming "soon".

 

Premium ships usually deviate from the standard lines a little, with unusual features. Sometimes these make the ships better, sometimes not. On the whole, there's nothing like "premium ships are better". Certain ships, regardless of whether they're premium or standard, are better. If you want a perfect balance between each and every ship, you end up with ships that aren't actually different.

 

Most ships are reasonably balanced. If they aren't, it's not because of WG deliberately making premium ships OP. It's because they want to make them different from the standard ships, so people will buy them more, and that sometimes, but far from always, ends up making the ships a little stronger than the standard ones.

 

Because of how the game works, skill and most of all strategy is vastly more important than individual ship differences. Sure, you can get an edge all else being equal if you have a stronger ship, but actually using the ship to her full extent is just so much more important.

 

There's also a bit of, "I demand that you make the game like I want you to, but I'm not giving you any money." I think there's only so much you can demand from a free game, and considering how much you can get and how competitive you can be while not paying anything at all, it's an awesome game overall.

[Tubit101]

Yes, not all premium ships are better than their regular counterparts - and that's how it should be. However, some are. Buying yourself advantageous ships should never be a thing - ever. Presently and in the past there's a large segment of players who exclusively buy premium ships because of their stats. Whenever these ships are put out for sale, threads will pop up on the forums, urging people to "run to the store and buy NAO!". It's not a secret that certain premium ships are very good indeed.

 

The reason for buying a premium ship should be to earn extra credits and captain xp, and that's that. When premium ships get game mechanic advantages, you're heading into p2w territory. No one should ever be there, no matter how close to the border they might be. Certain ships (like the Gremyashchy) are very much past that treshold.

 

The notion that people who don't buy premium ships aren't paying money in this game is wrong (personally, I have bought premium ships in the past, however). This isn't about "not giving WG any money". It's about paying for the right reasons - which in this case would be paying for things that doesn't negatively affect balancing, such as buying doubloons for premium time, etc.

[AnotherDuck]

Well, I disagree with that, to put it simple.

[fnord_disc]

Yes, not all premium ships are better than their regular counterparts - and that's how it should be. However, some are. Buying yourself advantageous ships should never be a thing - ever. Presently and in the past there's a large segment of players who exclusively buy premium ships because of their stats. Whenever these ships are put out for sale, threads will pop up on the forums, urging people to "run to the store and buy NAO!". It's not a secret that certain premium ships are very good indeed.

 

The reason for buying a premium ship should be to earn extra credits and captain xp, and that's that. When premium ships get game mechanic advantages, you're heading into p2w territory. No one should ever be there, no matter how close to the border they might be. Certain ships (like the Gremyashchy) are very much past that treshold.

 

The notion that people who don't buy premium ships aren't paying money in this game is wrong (personally, I have bought premium ships in the past, however). This isn't about "not giving WG any money". It's about paying for the right reasons - which in this case would be paying for things that doesn't negatively affect balancing, such as buying doubloons for premium time, etc.

 

I don't think anybody is arguing that premium ships should be stronger than regular ships, neither in this thread nor in any other. I don't think anybody disputes that if a premium is stronger than regular ships, it is a balancing mistake.

 

But a premium should still be similar in performance to the ships on its tier, and I'm also fine with a premium performing better than the weakest ships at its tier. They can always be simply buffed because they're regular ships.

 

Some people like me only have a small amount of premium ships, and if I buy a premium ship, I want it to the a ship I really enjoy playing and which I think is competitive in a game. Of course I play it for the training and the money, but if I don't enjoy it, why even bother? I can just play Nagato ten times instead.

 

There are a lot of premium tanks in WoT that I consider to be significantly underpowered and which I would never enjoy playing and would never buy.

 

That people rush out to grab overpowered premiums is because we're all human. I don't want overpowered premiums in this game either, but why shouldn't I buy them if they appear?

[ColonelPete]

If 6 km torpedos on a BB are an unfair advantage for you, you are doing it wrong.

[Deckeru_Maiku]

 

I don't want overpowered premiums in this game either, but why shouldn't I buy them if they appear?

 

Because they are all Russian?

[kantkantian]

Molotov is indeed a great ship. Who wouldn't love tier IX guns in tier VI? You only need to stay a bit behind your team, pop up your spotter plane, have good aim and the citadels against cruisers will happen naturally. If you've got someone anchoring your flank you can safely use your extremely superior guns to wreak havoc.

 

Molotov is a perfect example of pay to sealclub, and sealclub hard.

[_FTD_]

Never forget the "Team battle bundle" that came shortly after we've spammed 7 atagos in team battles for like 40-50 games on stream. Besides that not every premium is better than it's counterpart in the tech tree (MK and chapayev are a good example for this).

 

Atago is the most ridicoulus cruiser (tier for tier) in the game and also the ship where i don't give a damn if im uptiered to t10 ;sss.

[SailingDutchy]

I played the game from closed beta to this day and I have never receive a gift of something else

[ColonelPete]

No Albany, no Kamikaze, no GNB event, never finished a mission?

Do you even play?

[KaLeuWillenbrock]

there are two ways on how to implement premiumships, without breaking the game.

 

 

first: the premium ship is sligtly not as good as the other ships on its tier - but it has premium matchmaking, that is restrikted to +0 or +1.

second: the premium ship is as good as the other ships and has the same matchmaking

 

both concepts work.

 

if it is statistically proven, that a premium ship performs better than the other ships in ist tier and that said ship can still perform while being low-tier, adjustments have to be made. good and bad players will buy premium ships - maybe even more bad ones, because they think they will gain an advantage. Event ships are a different thing. ususally, you have to spend a lot of time and you need to perform to get them. it is hard to balance them, because they are owned by people, who are proficiant.

[Quetak]

and then make also all same tier ships same. Cleveland = Aoba = Budyonny = Norimberg otherwise its huge disadvantage when you face different ship to yours.

For example Aoba has 0,3km shoot range advantage over Cleveland so he cant retaliate to her at max distance. And...now sit down...Budyonny can torp your cleveland on close range while you even havent any torpedos...what is balance in that?

"Sarcasm off"

[ColonelPete]

People complaning about extrem short range torpedos...

 

[Syrchalis]

first: the premium ship is sligtly not as good as the other ships on its tier - but it has premium matchmaking, that is restrikted to +0 or +1.

second: the premium ship is as good as the other ships and has the same matchmaking

Explain the category of these:

• Blyska
• Atago

 

They both are absolute strict upgrades over Kiev/Mogami with no downsides whatsoever. While P2W isn't an issue in WoWs because you don't get an advantage so huge it's disgusting, you are clearly gimped in a 1vs1 against a player with similar skill. I don't care about these ships personally, because it happens once in a blue moon I meet someone really good in them, so the ship makes the difference - but professionally I think it's not acceptable to have straight upgrades as premiums.

 

The Saipan is - aside from it being rather strong - a good example, because it has something special (very small air groups and just four of them, but as tradeoff T9 planes).

[ColonelPete]

Blyska is comparable to Mahan and Kiev.

[KaLeuWillenbrock]

Explain the category of these:

• Blyska
• Atago

 

They both are absolute strict upgrades over Kiev/Mogami with no downsides whatsoever. While P2W isn't an issue in WoWs because you don't get an advantage so huge it's disgusting, you are clearly gimped in a 1vs1 against a player with similar skill. I don't care about these ships personally, because it happens once in a blue moon I meet someone really good in them, so the ship makes the difference - but professionally I think it's not acceptable to have straight upgrades as premiums.

 

The Saipan is - aside from it being rather strong - a good example, because it has something special (very small air groups and just four of them, but as tradeoff T9 planes).

 

 

 

 

read my entire post.

 

 

there are two ways on how to implement premiumships, without breaking the game.

 

 

without ...

 

 

ergo, if a ship is stronger or more precise TOO strong, it is game breaking (or at least not good for balancing)

 

 

this brings me to the second paragraph of my post:

 

 

if it is statistically proven, that a premium ship performs better than the other ships in ist tier and that said ship can still perform while being low-tier, adjustments have to be made. ...

 

if a ship is too strong for its tier, it needs to be adjusted properly - aka nerfed,

 

[Earl_of_Northesk]

Blyska is comparable to Mahan and Kiev.

 

Yeah, it actually is. It's a good ship, but I don't think it's better then either of those. Probably with a very highly skilled captain, like, 17-18 points, but that is an issue all premium ships below T8 do have: these ships are not balanced around such captains and will vastly improve if someone can switch such a captain into it.