What I do not like in WoWs.

[fnord_disc]

I think that very few premium ships are truly P2W in WoWs. Most are fine.

 

And I also think that premium tanks in WoT are too weak. A premium vehicle is mostly there to make credits, yes, but that also means I have to play it a lot. Really a lot. Premium vehicles should not be stronger than the average on their tier, but they should be interesting and fun to play. I don't see the point in torturing the player with a bad vehicle in the name of making credits.

 

The most problematic balancing offenders are the ones where the premium was released before the line (MK, Gremy), but I don't think there is a problem with premiums that are competitive.

[Zogash85]

 

I think part of the reason the Cromwell B and IS2 are  so popular is because of the 100% crew with 0th level Brothers in Arms skill. That could fall under P2W as it is an advantage you can only get by paying.

 

Not really, no. You can get Brothers in Arms by playing your tanks and skilling it. A Cromwell with BIA performs pretty much the same as a Cromwell B with BIA, that the latter comes with the skill is much more pay to advance than pay to win, in the same vein as buying premium time is. Is it part of the reason they sell? Sure, but the main reason is that they play just like their regular counterparts do, but with the added bonus to xp, crew training, and credit income. No need to make them OP or vastly different to make them attractive.

[Exustio]

 

@ Kaleuwillenbrock.

 

Did i say that premium ships SHOULD be better, because i paid for them? I didn't..... I said premium ships should be different from the regular tech tree. What im trying to explain (and i obviously failed at that, seeing ur comment) is that certain ships, when played to their strengths are regarded as OP, whilst in fairness they arnt because people know the weakness of their ship (thus to counter it). The simple reason why people cry a ship IS OP, is because they did not research game mechanics/ship attributes well enough thus they throw a fit on the forums screaming something is OP. Take a look at the everyday posts made by so many screaming for buff's/nerf's to certain type's of ships they have no clue about how to deal with. 

 

I never said premium ships should have a 100% guarantee to be better then its tier equivalents. 

 

Your comment on premiums being worse in stats but equal in performance is counter intuitive. If a ship has worse stats then anything else, it will perform worse then everything else. If i drive a Lada, i dont expect to overtake a ferrari. The problem you are facing is that people that actually learned to play a ship (and become extremely good at it) are sealclubbing people, thus, instead of understanding that the skill of the player is the determining factor here, u blame it on premiums. 

 

@ Zogash85

 

I fail to see the reason why a murmansk as a Omaha class can not be different then a Omaha? Copy/pasting happens regularly in the world, and it stands to reason that VMF might want to have slightly different specs to their Omaha then the USN. However, as i said in my original post, there are a few that are close to P2W, murmansk is indeed one of em, but imo, it is far from the level of P2W that requires immediate nerfing. 

 

Thinking that a WoT guideline to premiums also applies to WoWs is a big mistake, because the mechanics of both games are completely different. This makes the argument of "They do it in WoT's, so it should work in WoWs" null and void. Do not get me wrong, i understand where u are coming from, and i would like it to be true, but content rehashing will run out of excitement extremely fast. Also, as u have said it ever so slightly: 

 

 the premium Cromwell B plays pretty much exactly like the regular Cromwell

 

 If I could get my hands on a premium Cleveland-class cruiser that performs exactly like the regular Cleveland

 

Pretty much exactly (thus not exactly) isnt the same as "exactly like".  U and I (seeing we both played WoT) both know, that premiums are NEVER exactly the same. The reason is the exact reason i just told u: Rehash content is boring!

 

On the second point, U misunderstand what i meant. U think that Tirpitz's can show broadside with less risk then an Amagi/NC. I agree. However, every single salvo that hits u, will do more dmg then an overpen, as u have armour in places where a NC/Amagi wont have. This means that shells that hit u for 6k, will do 1k (overpen) to an Amagi/NC. U are right, citadels are a rarity to Tirpitz, u can make turns that would otherwise cripple other BB's. In return though, u will receive more damage in area's where Amagi/NC's would only get overpens. This, if u havn't noticed, is diversity in armouring. It makes the tirpitz good in 1 thing, but is its achilles hiel in another.  

 

 

[Admiral_noodle]

Uh oh, someone mentioned P2W, shitstorm incoming.

 

It's not hard to see that many premiums ships are stronger than their regular counterparts.

 

And there are many that aren't

 

we need a chart

 

its not p2w. Sometimes it's pay to get a slight edge. And a lot of the time it's not deliberate. From what I've seen WG try to balance prems. 

 

However because of stated reasons, poor prems get a buff but slightly op ones don't get nerfed ---> over time sum of premiums slightly better than silver ships. 

 

Lower tier premiums ought to statistically out perform silver ships as the silvers are pulled down by stock ships and new to ship players. 

[Ferry_25]

I have no idea how you manage that.

Do you even play? Heck, even without playing you could get rewards in the past. The last gift were 100 gold for logging in.

 

Nope. Nothing whatsoever. Of course I don't mean the diamond/ pearl/ ARP events. I mean the specific offers some people seem to be given. I once did get a bonus code for WOT. Not that I'm playing that but it was a free prem tank. Wanted to redeem in case I change my mind and give it a shot. But was send away empty handed "it's only for newcomers." When I started Wow's last year also no reward (other than the ingame ones which everybody's getting). I was about 1 or 2 days too late for the albany gift. Tried to ask WG in my specific case (was just new at the game and didn't know about it. Answer was as to be expected).

 

But again: not to whine. Just stating a fact.

[ColonelPete]

If you do not play, you are not a good customer that deserves a reward.

[Admiral_noodle]

Fill in every wows survey you get. Am convinced it leads to random rewards (no evidence except I got some)

[Lieut_Gruber]

I wonder if people wouldnt buy a ship if it was not better then her tier equivalent. What if it only got a nice special skin, like League of Legends does? I certainly would not pay the prices they are charging now, but for a fair price i would consider buying a nice looking ship that is a bit weaker, but makes good money and xp.

[Admiral_noodle]

I wonder if people wouldnt buy a ship if it was not better then her tier equivalent. What if it only got a nice special skin, like League of Legends does? I certainly would not pay the prices they are charging now, but for a fair price i would consider buying a nice looking ship that is a bit weaker, but makes good money and xp.

 

Be careful what you wish for. WG will get ideas

 

can I introduce you to Krasny Krym by the way?

[lup3s]

 

No you don't. At least I'm not getting anything. Don't mean to whine or something. It's just a fact.

 

I've received several rewards just by playing the game:

• a small amount of doubloons
• the SS Emden
• loads of flags and camouflages (by participating in events and Ranked Battles)
• the Albany and the Tachibana (by participating in the GNB event)
• a load of ARP ships (by doing the ARP missions)

 

I could also have had the Kamikaze R in the Project R event, too bad I didn't in the end.

[delaci76]

Just got Fuso and wow the stock guns suck and 20k xp to unlock the 21km ones. [edited]that WG!

[OOAndreasOO]

Do not get me wrong - I still play WoWs, but there is lot of issues I would like to talk about.

 

1) Blatant disrespect to current players and undercutting to new players. There was always tons of invite codes with nice bonuses and not so much for current accounts. However last "invite a friend" special is slap into face for veteran players.

2) PtW in form of premium ships which are clearly superior to their normal counterparts. This is something WG was able to (mostly) avoid in WoT and I have no idea why they implemented this in WoWs.

3) Some of the game core mechanics are promoting bad gameplay (camping). In more then 2/3 of my games BB's are simply camping edge of the map and and trying RNG shots at max distance.

4) Some of the game mechanics are implemented poorly with terrible balance issues (CV's & AA).

5) Some tiers are completely unbalanced (low tiers and DD's, torpedoes etc)

6) Map variety is quite poor

 

Overall I am not quite happy with WoWs and if I look at the number of players on the server I think I am not alone. As I have stated - I still play, but it is mostly because I really like ships... as from the gaming experience I am not that much impressed at all.

 

 

That's my opinion

 

1 - I dunno...I dont care about

2 - I agree

3 - Standard gameplay (2 bases) advantages defenders, Domination gameplay (bases A, B, C to take) advantages strikers.

4 - I find CV and planes gameplay enough well implemented for a warships game.

5 - Maybe DD are little OP....but that's balanced by noobish of a lot DD players

6 - Sea warfare cant have map variety like tank warfare. Developers cant do better. Sea surface is bidimentional. Terrain surface is tridimentional (for example you can not play a ship hulldown like a tank). That's why all maps appears similar. Only variety developers can add is about islands disposition on the map.

By the way in my opinion WOWS need more skilled players compared WOT: There are a lot of variables more about navigation, consumables use and ship attack way.

 

Bye

 

 

 

[lup3s]

Just got Fuso and wow the stock guns suck and 20k xp to unlock the 21km ones. [edited]that WG!

 

that's why you have free XP .. to skip the stock hull on every BB

[Ictogan]

If you do not play, you are not a good customer that deserves a reward.

 

Fill in every wows survey you get. Am convinced it leads to random rewards (no evidence except I got some)

 

I play frequently and fill in every survey I get, yet I didn't get the free things that one time tons of people got a free Emden, credits and I think some other stuff.

[lup3s]

 

 

I play frequently and fill in every survey I get, yet I didn't get the free things that one time tons of people got a free Emden, credits and I think some other stuff.

 

I got my Emden by completing a mission..

[Ictogan]

 

I got my Emden by completing a mission..

 

I also got it from the mission, but sold it again.

However tons of people have received an email receiving an Emden and some other stuff a few weeks ago.

[ColonelPete]

 

 

I play frequently and fill in every survey I get, yet I didn't get the free things that one time tons of people got a free Emden, credits and I think some other stuff.

 

If you play you get stuff.

Silver, gold, camos, upgrades and if you signed up for events, even ships.

[Mayv]

 

I also got it from the mission, but sold it again.

However tons of people have received an email receiving an Emden and some other stuff a few weeks ago.

 

Wasnt that WG sending emails to the wrong people.

[lup3s]

 

I also got it from the mission, but sold it again.

However tons of people have received an email receiving an Emden and some other stuff a few weeks ago.

 

why sell it?

it's quite a good ship with good captain

[Ictogan]

 

why sell it?

it's quite a good ship with good captain

 

I wanted the port slot at the time. Also I don't really care about t2 ships.

[Deckeru_Maiku]

Imperator Nikolai generally proves premiums are not p2w because she is clearly an aberration. And even then she's not got a 80%+ WR. So even Nikolai is "pay to win more" not p2w... And you can't buy her now because WG know she is OP.

 

Isn't the Nikolai extremely vulnerable to torpedoes? I don't play one, but I've seen one getting downed from 100 to 30% HP after just a couple torpedo hits from Hosho's planes, which my Arkansas B. - usually called "Arkham Horror" by me - would just have laughed about...

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And about premiums being OP:

 

It always depends on the player, I'd say.

I'm just a mediocre player, but I don't fear the ships themselves, but mayhaps the players controlling them. It's easiest to see with those "premium" ships that either sold extremely well (Tripiz) or were given away for free (like Kamikaze, kinda was...) - if a good player controls them, they are deadly. If not, they aren't.

 

The success of the Gremlin also comes from the fact, that it is a ship that only players with quite some experience do play.

 

Considering p2w:

• I don't play premium, unless I get it for free
• I don't buy ships because some U-tubus says "it's OP!!!!111eleven" but because it looks interesting to me or promises interesting game play (My bought ships: Mikasa, Yubari, Warspite, Campbeltown, Tachibana, Murmansk, Sims, Ichizushi, Blyscawica, Katori)
• I still have to meet a ship that gives me that "oh noes, it's that OP (insert ship name here) feeling, that some people seem to have. Probably because I fear all enemy ships alike, until I see what the player can or can't do with it.
• I don't think there is p2w in WoWs. No amount of real life money can make a potatoe play like a skilled opponent. And a skilled opponent would win even without spending real life money for the game. He might get a slightly better performance by spending money, but no amount of money can keep him from playing with up to 11 potatoes on his team.

 

[Admiral_noodle]

"Isn't the Nikolai extremely vulnerable to torpedoes? "

 

Yes. But she's also good at dodging. Couple this with relatively experienced be players in the premium vs. Inexperienced cv players...

[_GrimLock__]

What i dont like?You should honestly ask me what i like i this game.

[Tubit101]

People who argue that "premium ships are only slightly better" aren't getting the point - or they're simply not willing to see it.

 

The only fair comparison of ships is with equally skilled players in mind. Especially in competitive environments where players have high skill, small differences in ships only become bigger and bigger. That means that in team battles and such, getting an edge over your competition is a very big deal indeed. Let's also remember that premium ships often have abilities that regular ships simply do not have. Such as smoke or heal for cruisers or torpedos for battleships.

 

This is precisely why I stopped playing this game. It just bothers me too much that people are pretty much required to buy their advantages when it comes to competetitive play. I haven't played for a good while, so I'm writing this under the assumption that premium ships are still allowed in team play.

[fnord_disc]

People who argue that "premium ships are only slightly better" aren't getting the point - or they're simply not willing to see it.

 

The only fair comparison of ships is with equally skilled players in mind. Especially in competitive environments where players have high skill, small differences in ships only become bigger and bigger. That means that in team battles and such, getting an edge over your competition is a very big deal indeed. Let's also remember that premium ships often have abilities that regular ships simply do not have. Such as smoke or heal for cruisers or torpedos for battleships.

 

This is precisely why I stopped playing this game. It just bothers me too much that people are pretty much required to buy their advantages when it comes to competetitive play. I haven't played for a good while, so I'm writing this under the assumption that premium ships are still allowed in team play.

 

They are, but you understand that not everyone was using premium ships there, right? MK and Atago, two ships widely seen as not really balanced, were common. But nobody important was using Tirpitzes and the destroyers weren't premiums either.

 

Your logic is a little bizarre because it proves exactly what most people have been saying. A few may be too strong and too competitive, but most are fine.