[NV-OP] GhiGuns Beta Tester 25 posts Report post #1 Posted July 30, 2016 WG the Khabarovsk have had its fun time to nerf that ship now. NERF NERF and NERF 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FTR] Krizmuz Players 780 posts 24,232 battles Report post #2 Posted July 30, 2016 no Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ST-EU] OldGrandad Supertester 3,404 posts 35,711 battles Report post #3 Posted July 30, 2016 WG the Khabarovsk have had its fun time to nerf that ship now. NERF NERF and NERF Why post a thread which smacks of "I just got my a$$ handed to me by a DD"? It would have been nice for you to relate to us the reasoning for your content rich OP. Is there a story behind this? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #4 Posted July 30, 2016 Show us on the model where the little DD touched your ship please. 9 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NV-OP] GhiGuns Beta Tester 25 posts Report post #5 Posted July 30, 2016 the story behind this is that that ship is to op.. no more no less.. the same way kiev was in the start. Balance of the game is importen and the khabarovsk is not balanced like with the rest atm. If ii had been a golden ship it would be fine as it is, but its not any golden ship. And i tbh i dont think am the only one, that think that ship should be nerfed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TOXIC] Kartoffelmos Alpha Tester 2,237 posts 8,884 battles Report post #6 Posted July 30, 2016 Well, apart from the ranting nature of the OP, he/she has a point: the Khaba has a pretty high win ratio compared to the other DDs: Date Khaba Gearing Shima 23.07 56,32 50,87 45,17 16.07 52,89 51,36 47,55 09.07 54,59 51,18 46,73 Now, the Khaba is "only" played by ~110-130 players while Gearing and Shima is used by ~230 and ~400 players respectively, so there might only be an issue of saturation of good players (or rather, lack of statistically bad players). 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #7 Posted July 30, 2016 (edited) Wait, so 'golden' ships ( guess you mean premium? ) are exempt from balancing? Also, please explain why it is not balanced, I mean we are not all as smart or up to date as you perhaps. Well, apart from the ranting nature of the OP, he/she has a point: the Khaba has a pretty high win ratio compared to the other DDs: Date Khaba Gearing Shima 23.07 56,32 50,87 45,17 16.07 52,89 51,36 47,55 09.07 54,59 51,18 46,73 Now, the Khaba is "only" played by ~110-130 players while Gearing and Shima is used by ~230 and ~400 players respectively, so there might only be an issue of saturation of good players (or rather, lack of statistically bad players). I think the last. The VMF DD line is not easy to grind. Edited July 30, 2016 by mtm78 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[EXCEL] Ginger_General Players 46 posts 7,297 battles Report post #8 Posted July 30, 2016 (edited) The Khabarovsk is in no way OP. It can just take advantage of ships trickling into a cap or an "action area" as wargaming call them one by one. If you use your keyboard in game and actually coordinate with your cruisers and DD, one DD spots it and the cruisers blap it. Very very simple but if you go in one by one and let the Khaba do what it does best, picking off stragglers and yolo players, expect to rage a few more times when you face it. I don't even have the ship but it's not OP, just no one communicates to deal with it. Edited July 30, 2016 by Ginger_General Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andyphone Players 176 posts Report post #9 Posted July 30, 2016 No no no. I am just about to get it 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #10 Posted July 30, 2016 No no no. I am just about to get it I don't even have Kiev but I am looking forward to the line from Kiev upwards 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TOXIC] Kartoffelmos Alpha Tester 2,237 posts 8,884 battles Report post #11 Posted July 30, 2016 I think the last. The VMF DD line is not easy to grind. Well, you can thank WG/Lesta for that when they nerfed the entire line because of Kiev/Udaloi/Khabarovsk. Fortunately, the increase in turret durability (and fire chance for certain ships) have remedied the effects, so I might start to grind Ognevoi when I have the time :3. Hopefully more people will do the same so we get more statistical data. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BW-UK] Gunship14 Players 850 posts Report post #12 Posted July 30, 2016 (edited) I don't even have Kiev but I am looking forward to the line from Kiev upwards I found both the Kiev and Tashkent pretty meh, nothing too special, but I'm liking the Udaloi a lot more, even if it's stock with only the FCS. Something about it clicks, though I guess it's pretty similar to Kiev (with better torps.) The faster reload due to the upgrade and BFT since 5.9 dropped are a welcome addition as well. Edited July 30, 2016 by Gunship14 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[UNICS] loppantorkel Players 4,506 posts 15,942 battles Report post #13 Posted July 30, 2016 When they tweak smoke firing a bit, it'll be fine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BW-UK] Gunship14 Players 850 posts Report post #14 Posted July 30, 2016 When they tweak smoke firing a bit, it'll be fine. What's wrong with smoke firing? It's actually a quite risky move in most cases. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-OOF-] ollonborre Beta Tester 2,598 posts 12,758 battles Report post #15 Posted July 30, 2016 The only reason this thing would be considered OP is because you barely see it and thus have no idea how to deal with it. Hell I have rarely any idea how to deal with it except maybe charge it down (and get blasted by the Khaba and its team). It's a ship that requires a cooperative effort to take on, and since that type of effort rarely exist outside platoons the Khaba gets to zone out people at its leasure. So really just a combination of generally good players that play the ship, and a lack of teamwork and knowledge in random battles. So yeah not OP. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[UTW] ShinGetsu Weekend Tester, In AlfaTesters 8,985 posts 7,359 battles Report post #16 Posted July 30, 2016 I honestly think Khaba is a tad too strong. But I think the same of Fletcher and Gearing so I may be biased there... Khaba is just... too much. When I see players in Khaba finishing their battle with 20+ fires, 400+ hits, several AP penetration and some citadel on cruisers it seems a little extreme to me. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ST-EU] OldGrandad Supertester 3,404 posts 35,711 battles Report post #17 Posted July 30, 2016 I don't even have Kiev but I am looking forward to the line from Kiev upwards I was fortunate in grinding the Kiev early before they nerfed it. It was a monster and it only took me a couple of days to grind to the Tashkent, which of course at the time was equally monstrous. Just bought the Kaba a few days ago, still reeling after spending that cash! Any ship will/could be OP in the right captains hands, Knutttern, you need to back your opinion up with what made you come to that decision. I still believe that you posted immediately after being smacked down by one, hence the bitterness towards it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[UNICS] loppantorkel Players 4,506 posts 15,942 battles Report post #18 Posted July 30, 2016 (edited) What's wrong with smoke firing? It's actually a quite risky move in most cases. I don't want it removed, just nerfed a bit. If you fire from within smoke your detection range could increase a little bit. Stop firing and smoke covers you again. Seems reasonable, imo. Gearing, Fletcher and Benson would also suffer a bit from this, which also seems reasonable. Edited July 30, 2016 by loppantorkel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[UTW] ShinGetsu Weekend Tester, In AlfaTesters 8,985 posts 7,359 battles Report post #19 Posted July 30, 2016 I was fortunate in grinding the Kiev early before they nerfed it. It was a monster and it only took me a couple of days to grind to the Tashkent, which of course at the time was equally monstrous. Just bought the Kaba a few days ago, still reeling after spending that cash! Any ship will/could be OP in the right captains hands, Knutttern, you need to back your opinion up with what made you come to that decision. I still believe that you posted immediately after being smacked down by one, hence the bitterness towards it. Even nerfed Kiev is still strong. At least it is very fun. I intend to keep it all the way to the 18-points captain. Unlocked Tashkent but I'm a little afraid of this one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
havaduck ∞ Players 2,989 posts 11,824 battles Report post #20 Posted July 30, 2016 (edited) If ii had been a golden ship it would be fine as it is, but its not any golden ship. And i tbh i dont think am the only one, that think that ship should be nerfed. This guy is golden! Having a p2w OP ship would be totally ok, but since its a silver peasant ship, that any unwashed hand can touch and stear, I want it nerved. I cant say I have no words because, in fact, I do actually have quite a few "choice-words" available right now ...... Edited July 30, 2016 by havaduck 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #21 Posted July 30, 2016 Well, you can thank WG/Lesta for that when they nerfed the entire line because of Kiev/Udaloi/Khabarovsk. Fortunately, the increase in turret durability (and fire chance for certain ships) have remedied the effects, so I might start to grind Ognevoi when I have the time :3. Hopefully more people will do the same so we get more statistical data. I got Ognevoi in port, it's full upgraded but I got 7k xp on her with 61k to go for kiev. I just did not enjoy playing it so it's been sitting in port for a long time. I will do as you say and start the grind again, hopefully I will enjoy it more this time I was fortunate in grinding the Kiev early before they nerfed it. It was a monster and it only took me a couple of days to grind to the Tashkent, which of course at the time was equally monstrous. Just bought the Kaba a few days ago, still reeling after spending that cash! Udeloi and Kharb are the real pearls afaik, but I'll be able to pass judgement only after I got them I was going to compare Kiev with my Blys but then I realized that the comparison is pretty flawed. Blys can play the normal DD role, it has workable concealment and stealth torp capabilities. Kiev is a light cruiser without a citadel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SPUDS] Comrad_StaIin Beta Tester 4,594 posts 20,080 battles Report post #22 Posted July 30, 2016 +1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KaraMon Players 4,154 posts 9,221 battles Report post #23 Posted July 30, 2016 When shima was OP you could see 4-8 shimas in the battlefiedl. Why there aren't so many Khabarovsk if the ship is so OP ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NV-OP] GhiGuns Beta Tester 25 posts Report post #24 Posted July 30, 2016 i posted a tread about this 2 weeks ago.. that post was removed.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LXT] _interceptor_80 Players 385 posts 20,224 battles Report post #25 Posted July 30, 2016 the story behind this is that that ship is to op.. no more no less.. the same way kiev was in the start. Balance of the game is importen and the khabarovsk is not balanced like with the rest atm. If ii had been a golden ship it would be fine as it is, but its not any golden ship. And i tbh i dont think am the only one, that think that ship should be nerfed. I just waiting for a day like this True man, Khabar is best performing tier 10 DD at the moment (because people like you spend all tiers for get Shima nerfed) You get Shima killer nerf and now new target is on the horizont > another annoying tier 10 DD lol Stallinium steel to get nerfed? Rare thing to happens because this is WG This ship gets buffs because it was crap to play/grind If WG nerf another best performing tier 10 DD they need to nerf also other best performing ships: *Yamato (longer reload for biggest guns in game to 35+ sec and reducing avrg dmg for 15%) *Zao (WG give her some cosmetic nerf few patches ago and nothing really change with it) *Hakuryu (best avrg dmg in game,Midway is out of competition) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
