Q for owners both Atago & Kutuzov

[brutus007]

I would like to ask for first hand experience - which of these you like more and why?

[xenopathia]

Have both, played around 50 games with each.

Both are fantastic.

Atago is a consistent performer whereas Kutuzov is a borderline in which you have extreme moments.

Played last 3 games with MK and the last one was a blast. Kraken, witherer, confedarate, 165k damage, 650k net credits, 3300 base xp.

The more I play KM the more I love it.

[ShinGetsu]

MK can be frustrating when the only fires you lit are instantly dealt with by a repair party. HE damage are very weak unless you get close. Also it's papermade. A single mistake is an instant kill.

Now I almost play it like a Hipper : Either snipe at long range with HE to lit fires, or get close and personal by using cover to get 7000-10000 damage with each AP salvo to enemies closer than 10km.

 

Still, if you can get it to works it's a great ship. Very lovable.

 

 

Atago is easier to play.

[XbodzioXplX]

 

Atago is easier to play.

 

Good to know, thx.

 

I love Atago - very powerfull battery, excelent concealment, good chance of fire, playable torpedoes, repair party! She earn a lot of credits.

Her minus - no AA, poor armour, steering can easily be decapitated

[ShinGetsu]

MK torpedoes are very good in facts. They have great angle, are fast and powerful, and if I remember correctly MK has quintuple launchers.

The thing is... 4km range. (Sorry it seems I'm an idiot that can't read numbers. It has 8 km range torps). Its strictly there as defensive armament. I'm mostly using them to force my opponent to shows its broadside and then giving them a fast trip to hell with AP. Even without citadel hit, getting 10k AP salvo on broadside NC or Tirpitz below 9km is normal. Cruisers have it even worse.

 

Atago is simply... easier, really. Long range torps, repair, HE filled with antimatter rounds, and utterly OP concealment. AP are good for shooting cruisers and that's all, everything else is a nobrainer HE spamming. Playing MK then Atago is like changing worlds entirely. With MK I rarely do more than 20k direct damage with HE, but fire and getting within AP range compensate for this. With Atago you just go for 7000 damage HE-salvo + fire damage every 15 seconds. Or instead playing ninja, getting to 10km, firing an AP salvo for 15k damage on a poor oblivious, broadside cruiser, then disappearing from sight. Rince and repeat.

[brutus007]

MK torpedoes are very good in facts. They have great angle, are fast and powerful, and if I remember correctly MK has quintuple launchers.

The thing is... 4km range. Its strictly there as defensive armament.

 

MK torpedoes have range 8km though... http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Mikhail_Kutuzov

[ShinGetsu]

Huh ? Wait ? What ? Since when ? o_o

 

I'm absolutely sure I played it with 4km torp range. Been a while since I didn't play it though (last time was for rushing main gun hits for Haguro). I'll look it up later ingame.

[brutus007]

No idea if it was changed - but in the review http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/73921-premium-ship-review-vmf-mikhail-kutuzov-20/ it is stated as one of the advantages MK has compared to Chapayev.

 

[ShinGetsu]

So I played it all this time only at close range, persuaded it was this short ? I'm really surprised that I never noticed... esp since I have the torp range on minimap. o_o

I should really check this ingame, can't atm.

[VC381]

I like Atago more (my most played ship) but that doesn't mean Kutuzov isn't good. I agree with what ShinGetsu said, Atago is easier to play because of reliably high HE damage, concealment and heal. MK you can do fun tricks similar to what DDs do with invisifire from smoke or you can really shock people with close-up AP DPS but you have to take some risks to do that. Or you can spam from range all day, it's not a problem hitting but you're at the mercy of fire chance RNG.

[ShinGetsu]

Okay, so I checked and took my Kutuzov for a ride. Indeed it has 8km torpedoes. Maybe it was there from the start, I dunno. I usually don't use them at all anyway. I still feel very stupid. xD

 

Here's the results of this battle :

 

 

 

 

 

As you can see, I got most of my damage with AP (got 4 citadel on the Atago) and fire. For four reasons :

- Stupid enemies that forgot to shot at me even when I was going broadside.

- Stupid enemies that were proud members of the Broadside Family™.

- Stupid enemies that let me get close while I was spotted, or more like they didn't get away.

- Stupid Derpitz that got two fires on him while he was full HP and didn't bother putting it.

 

MK is a fun ship. It performs well used properly and it's a good ship for TB since it has amazing AA and smoke. But sometimes you have amazing luck like in this battle, or instead every player on the map wants you dead, and RNG troll you. 

You can do a good average performance with MK, but I still find Atago way more reliable no matter the matchmaking.

Don't get me wrong tho. I'm just saying MK is in average more difficult than Atago. I still love it. It has a little something that makes you loves this ship. And I have an amazing skin which make me love it all the more. :p

 

In short : dealing damage with MK requires either more risks or more effort than with Atago.

 

[brutus007]

Thanx very informative

 

[Plaztma]

I find Kutuzov much more fun to play, but I am very invested in the russian lines (both DDs and cruisers) and really like the railguns. You can do more brawling in Atago, but use offensive smoke in Kutuzov and you are extremely dangerous.

[Just_an_Harmless_Potato]

KUTUZOV is a piece of crap premium ship steer away of it ... go for ATAGO guys much more enjoyable and reliable ship with greater fire power, better "torpedus" and better maneuverability.

 

Its hard to land dmg with the KUTUZOV with its slow high arc long range pee wee guns, most of my battles I do an average of 150 shots hit with KUTUZOV and still cant on average go higher then 20k dmg while with the ATAGO is easy to surpass 80k dmg with less shots fired.

 

Even against tier 6 cruisers shooting them broadside with AP is normal for them all to bounce or u only get 300, 650 and sometimes 1250 k dmg per shot or broadside sweep shots. Then you start to think its perhaps too much for those enemy ships and you change to HE... and with low chance for fires you might lucky and start some fires if not.. you are pretty much screwed !!!

 

This is my opinion of the KUTUZOV so far... a complete rubbish  

[ShinGetsu]

KUTUZOV is a piece of crap premium ship steer away of it ... go for ATAGO guys much more enjoyable and reliable ship with greater fire power, better "torpedus" and better maneuverability.

 

Its hard to land dmg with the KUTUZOV with its slow high arc long range pee wee guns, most of my battles I do an average of 150 shots hit with KUTUZOV and still cant on average go higher then 20k dmg while with the ATAGO is easy to surpass 80k dmg with less shots fired.

 

Even against tier 6 cruisers shooting them broadside with AP is normal for them all to bounce or u only get 300, 650 and sometimes 1250 k dmg per shot or broadside sweep shots. Then you start to think its perhaps too much for those enemy ships and you change to HE... and with low chance for fires you might lucky and start some fires if not.. you are pretty much screwed !!!

 

This is my opinion of the KUTUZOV so far... a complete rubbish  

To be fair you're bad even with Atago and Tirpitz... so ofc Kutuzov would be difficult for you.

 

What the heck do you mean "high arc" ? Those are 152mm railguns with ultra-high shell velocity. And if you have trouble doing damage with AP at close range, it's clearly YOUR issue. Even without cita-hit you're basically guaranteed to hit for 5+k. If you know a little how to aim, of course... Kutuzov at close range is even more deadly than a Hipper. Kinda like an Atlanta in facts.

Basically against cruisers you have to shot at where the citadel is, while on BB you have to aim for the less-armored upper deck. It works especially well on Tirpitz and NC.

 

It's not crap, you're just bad with it. I myself had much trouble figuring it out, especially since I wasn't very used to CLs gameplay. 

 

[Krogort]

I have both, I perform similarily in both.

The Atago is a very balanced cruiser, the Kutuzov is more of a second line ship.

 

[Just_an_Harmless_Potato]

To be fair you're bad even with Atago and Tirpitz... so ofc Kutuzov would be difficult for you.

 

What the heck do you mean "high arc" ? Those are 152mm railguns with ultra-high shell velocity. And if you have trouble doing damage with AP at close range, it's clearly YOUR issue. Even without cita-hit you're basically guaranteed to hit for 5+k. If you know a little how to aim, of course... Kutuzov at close range is even more deadly than a Hipper. Kinda like an Atlanta in facts.

Basically against cruisers you have to shot at where the citadel is, while on BB you have to aim for the less-armored upper deck. It works especially well on Tirpitz and NC.

 

It's not crap, you're just bad with it. I myself had much trouble figuring it out, especially since I wasn't very used to CLs gameplay. 

 

 

No matter what you say, will stick to my original quote !!! Piece of shite ship !!!

[ShinGetsu]

Well, yeah, it's better to say the ship is bad instead of trying to improve yourself...

Or at least it's easier. 

[Just_an_Harmless_Potato]

Well, yeah, it's better to say the ship is bad instead of trying to improve yourself...

Or at least it's easier. 

 

Well I know what I´m saying, in truth what you are saying is that the ship is awesome and I´m bad... I could say the same about you but that´s blubbering like old hags.. sadly don´t have the time or the patience for it !!! So I will give you the cup.. take it

[ShinGetsu]

 

Well I know what I´m saying, in truth what you are saying is that the ship is awesome and I´m bad... I could say the same about you but that´s blubbering like old hags.. sadly don´t have the time or the patience for it !!! So I will give you the cup.. take it

Except I saw your stats. Mine aren't awesome but are correct given I had to up them back from oblivion. (Started with less than 30k average on Kutuzov, and 32k on Atago. I bought them way too soon.)

On the other hand 40k is your average on Tirpitz which is one of the easiest tier 8 to handle... And you have 24k with Atago. 

I had MYSELF trouble with figuring how to play the MK. I worked on it. I asked for advices, tried different ships, grinded lower tier CLs, etc. Now I can say I know how it works. And it's not a bad ship. There are no reasons to call it "bad" except your own lack of ability.

 

If I can makes it works, if other can makes it works, you can too. You have the same ship as me after all.

 

 

I didn't want to resort to stats, but if your eyes are that closed to the truth I can at least forcefully open it.

[Defcon13]

 

Well I know what I´m saying, in truth what you are saying is that the ship is awesome and I´m bad... I could say the same about you but that´s blubbering like old hags.. sadly don´t have the time or the patience for it !!! So I will give you the cup.. take it

 

Really? You know what you are saying with 40k average damage on Tirpitz or 24k on Atago or 22k on Kutuzov??

[Sub_Eleven]

KUTUZOV is a piece of crap premium ship steer away of it ... go for ATAGO guys much more enjoyable and reliable ship with greater fire power, better "torpedus" and better maneuverability.

 

Its hard to land dmg with the KUTUZOV with its slow high arc long range pee wee guns, most of my battles I do an average of 150 shots hit with KUTUZOV and still cant on average go higher then 20k dmg while with the ATAGO is easy to surpass 80k dmg with less shots fired.

 

Even against tier 6 cruisers shooting them broadside with AP is normal for them all to bounce or u only get 300, 650 and sometimes 1250 k dmg per shot or broadside sweep shots. Then you start to think its perhaps too much for those enemy ships and you change to HE... and with low chance for fires you might lucky and start some fires if not.. you are pretty much screwed !!!

 

This is my opinion of the KUTUZOV so far... a complete rubbish  

 

Well it's true that the MK is a difficult ship, but it's not a bad ship. It's borderline OP actually. The guns are amazing with 19 km + range, 950m/s shell flight travel time and very, very flat arcs. Her AP has no trouble piercing Yamato's superstructure around 10 km distance when it's broadside on, allowing for 5k+ volleys on a tier 10 ship. Ignoring a Kutuzov is just begging to get wrecked.

 

Rubbish? I don't think so. Maybe give her another chance, I think you are being a bit too harsh on her. 

[_Teob_]

Both are phenomenal ships that will print credits.

 

I prefer the MK though (by quite a long way) as it's the perfect cruiser experience for me. Rapid firing accurate guns, long range, amazing AA, smoke (which allows you to contribute in situations that no other cruiser could). It's just a great cruiser.

 

[Covinus]

I have both, and can say that the MK is a fun ship to play, but it does require a team of intelligent players to let it do what it does best. Be mindful of the paper armour!

 

Atago can go alone much more and is equally a fun ship, although the slow reload time can be annoying in comparison.

 

Get both 

[SinkTheOthersNotMe]

Must say I suck with both ships -> doing much better in my Sims and Tirpitz or Murmansk and Molotov.

MK in my case: Team dependent -> paper armor and was never able to play to its strength which is an amazing firestarter from long range

 

Atago: Also was never able to play to its strength mainly because I get blown out of the water far too much despite angling but of course I suck with IJN CA past Furutaka.