Do You Have to Always Grind?

[Wrock0n]

Or can you just play one ship and have fun with it?

 

I've played several freemium games (War Thunder, Neverwinter, Heroes and Generals, Marvel Super Heroes) and mostly it's been a long painful grind (Marvel is the wonderful exception!) always feeling a bit frustrated and always reaching for this elusive 'more' and 'better' down the road that never seemed to materialize. Also some games (like Neverwinter) with no cap on how much you can upgrade, if you start today instead of 3 years ago like everyone else, you will never ever catch up.

 

I have less time to spend now. And I'm looking for something casual where I can just buy something good and play it and not worry about endlessly reaching for the elusive 'better'.

Is that doable in this game? If so what ships are good and can just be bought and played competitively 'as is'? Thanks.

 

Edit: Also, is the Russia must be the best thing a big topic of dicussion here as with War Thunder?

If so, I'll just go the Russian tree.

No way I'll take another year of being told 'yes your 'murican' vehicles are just fine my 'murican friend' (laugh laugh) while your murican team loses 99% of battles (WT tanks I'm looking at you!)

 

Seems this mouse guy finds many of the best ships are Russian so, yeah makes me a little nervous about *that* again...

http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/58354-mouses-quick-summary-of-premium-ships/

 

 

 

[Capra76]

Damn website's just lost my reply.

 

Basically, no you don't need to grind, start off with USN cruisers and take it from there.

[Srle_Vigilante]

As long as you find your tier of comfort mate your on the horse. Me personally i like them all  but tier 8 is my sweet-spot :3

 

As for the russians not as unbalanced and broken as in War Thunder, more like the opposite. They are not the most user friendly ships that i've seen.

 

Its obvious what line i'd recommend so i won't even bother with that 

[lup3s]

I have less time to spend now. And I'm looking for something casual where I can just buy something good and play it and not worry about endlessly reaching for the elusive 'better'.

Is that doable in this game? If so what ships are good and can just be bought and played competitively 'as is'? Thanks.

 

Edit: Also, is the Russia must be the best thing a big topic of dicussion here as with War Thunder?

If so, I'll just go the Russian tree.

No way I'll take another year of being told 'yes your 'murican' vehicles are just fine my 'murican friend' (laugh laugh) while your murican team loses 99% of battles (WT tanks I'm looking at you!)

 

You can buy good premium ships but you can't buy experience.

 

e.g. you can buy a Tirpitz (T8 battleship), but without any experience with maps, ships or tactics, you'll get wrecked a lot.

I'm taking Tirpitz as an example as the average player at T8 should already have enough experience to know what he's doing. New players who start immediately at T8 seldom stand a chance against the more experienced players, even if your Tirpitz is superior to the enemy ship.

Yes, please use the repair consumable after I started a single fire with my first salvo.. There won't be any more salvoes.. There won't be any more fires

 

 

As for the Russian bias.. I think every ship has its (dis)advantages, regardless of the nation.

[Wrock0n]

Damn website's just lost my reply.

 

Basically, no you don't need to grind, start off with USN cruisers and take it from there.

@ Capra76

Srle_Vigilante

Well to hear that the game is more balanced than WT is a welcome response!

Maybe this is a game where I can actually enjoy the murican line

@ lup3s

Hmm yeah and maybe a high tier ship will not be the best start.

What would you recommend for a premium tier 3 or 4?

 

BTW, I have probably a stupid noob question but I got this premium ship with my 'invite' its the Diana.

But when I look at the tech tree I see no progress bar, and can't seem to select something for research. When I click the lowest or next lowest level ship it just leaves the tech tree view and shows the ship.

How do you actually research a ship?

[Loran_Battle]

you start at the bottom of a tech tree with the tier 1. You use the xp you get on that to unlock its modules. And after that the next tier ship. At some points you might be able to go sideways in the tech tree (xp gained on a tier 2 cruiser will unlock the tier 3 cruiser and the tier 2 destroyer for example).

 

A premium ship does nothing but gain more credits and captain xp. You cannot do anything with the normal xp gained on a premium cruiser except converting it to "free xp", which costs gold (i.e. irl money).

 

[Panocek]

@ Capra76

Srle_Vigilante

Well to hear that the game is more balanced than WT is a welcome response!

Maybe this is a game where I can actually enjoy the murican line

@ lup3s

Hmm yeah and maybe a high tier ship will not be the best start.

What would you recommend for a premium tier 3 or 4?

 

BTW, I have probably a stupid noob question but I got this premium ship with my 'invite' its the Diana.

But when I look at the tech tree I see no progress bar, and can't seem to select something for research. When I click the lowest or next lowest level ship it just leaves the tech tree view and shows the ship.

How do you actually research a ship?

 

In WG titles (WoT, WoWs, WoWp) you accumulate xp by playing, then you spend it on new modules in Modules tab on the top, for ships these would be hull upgrades, main armament (cannons, torpedoes), engines and gun fire control. You use the same xp for researching new ships/tanks/planes/whatever.

 

When playing you will be slowly accumulating Free Experience, which unlike WT you can do something with it without spending a dime, it only takes time to accumulate meaningful amounts. With it you can research new ships (not advised) and unlock new modules, as certain ships when stock can be quality pain in the arse.

[txtspeak]

 

 

As for the russians not as unbalanced and broken as in War Thunder, more like the opposite. They are not the most user friendly ships that i've seen.

 

 

thats sort of what makes the russian vehicles in war thunder so broken.

that said, IMO the russian ships are very balanced in WoWS, some people might not agree with me but I dont see myself being killed by russian ships any more or less than any other nation

[AndyHill]

I'm assuming you took advantage of this deal: http://worldofwarships.eu/en/news/common/play-together/ since you got the Diana. If you didn't I suggest getting an invite link ASAP as you might still be eligible and that's a pretty awesome deal.

 

I don't find WoWS especially grindy, there are some ships I'd like to just skip, but most are fine on their own. Isokaze (tier4) and Minekaze (tier5) for example are perfectly fine ships in their own right if you are into destroyers. Then there's the St. Louis at tier 3 and many others. Before buying premium ships you should have enough skills for their level, but even more importantly you need to play enough to know what kind of ships you actually like.

[Panocek]

thats sort of what makes the russian vehicles in war thunder so broken.

that said, IMO the russian ships are very balanced in WoWS, some people might not agree with me but I dont see myself being killed by russian ships any more or less than any other nation

 

They are capable in good hands? Most certainly. They are novice friendly? Not really - playing destroyers without camo or bigass and still glass cruisers can be frustrating.

 

For starting lines I guess you can't go wrong with IJN cruisers, they are as versatile as ship can get.

[MudMonkey]

There are also a lot of guides here in the forum. You should really check them out. You will find everything you need from how to play certain ships to game mechanics.

[loppantorkel]

Or can you just play one ship and have fun with it?

 

I have less time to spend now. And I'm looking for something casual where I can just buy something good and play it and not worry about endlessly reaching for the elusive 'better'.

Is that doable in this game? If so what ships are good and can just be bought and played competitively 'as is'? Thanks.

I don't know your experience in WoT. If it's as unbalanced as you say and you've had a habit of losing a lot. I don't believe you can just buy something good and be competitive, but otoh there's no reason to endlessly reach for something better either, because most ships perform decently. Some are better than others of course.

In short - I have fun with the game, I don't chase something better, just play for fun and don't worry about any grind, but I don't think you'll find a one ship you'll perform well in from the start. Better start slow.

[krautjaeger]

I have one personal rule in all MMOs, if the game becomes a grind to me I quit playing if there are no other alternatives to play it. But here's the cool thing with WoWs, and WoT too, premium vehicles. So some times I just sail, or tank, my premiums and that's that. Frees me from the grind completely. Then I may take out the regular ship/tank some times, and one day I've researched it all without even thinking much about that. Which is one of the good things about WoWs/WoT, no forced grind to actually have fun.

 

[Wrock0n]

you start at the bottom of a tech tree with the tier 1. You use the xp you get on that to unlock its modules. And after that the next tier ship. At some points you might be able to go sideways in the tech tree (xp gained on a tier 2 cruiser will unlock the tier 3 cruiser and the tier 2 destroyer for example).

 

A premium ship does nothing but gain more credits and captain xp. You cannot do anything with the normal xp gained on a premium cruiser except converting it to "free xp", which costs gold (i.e. irl money).

 

 

Hmm ok so premium ships don't actually help you to research the tree, new concept for me...

So considering they're pretty much just for credits, I'm guessing credits are hard to come by at some point or the main upgrade limiter?

 

Also, where is my captain I don't see him anywhere haha?

 

BTW, does this mean I have to play every vehicle in a row up the trees to get to the next one or can I use say a tier 1 to research a tier 3 and skip the tier 2? Thanks.

 

[brainfear1]

i from time to time play the ships to get further.

But i really have more fun in playing the ships i know i like.

Yubari, arizona, shokaku those really are my favourite ships at the moment

[brainfear1]

 

Hmm ok so premium ships don't actually help you to research the tree, new concept for me...

So considering they're pretty much just for credits, I'm guessing credits are hard to come by at some point or the main upgrade limiter?

 

Also, where is my captain I don't see him anywhere haha?

 

BTW, does this mean I have to play every vehicle in a row up the trees to get to the next one or can I use say a tier 1 to research a tier 3 and skip the tier 2? Thanks.

 

 

 

well the credits depend on how you play but on a bad match on my tier 9 i tend to lose 10k credits or something near it.

 

your captain is on the right of the screen above the ship stats.

 

and yes you could skip a vehicle but that either requires you to convert xp from an elite/premium ship or playing a damn lat earning free xp,

[Wrock0n]

 

In WG titles (WoT, WoWs, WoWp) you accumulate xp by playing, then you spend it on new modules in Modules tab on the top, for ships these would be hull upgrades, main armament (cannons, torpedoes), engines and gun fire control. You use the same xp for researching new ships/tanks/planes/whatever.

 

When playing you will be slowly accumulating Free Experience, which unlike WT you can do something with it without spending a dime, it only takes time to accumulate meaningful amounts. With it you can research new ships (not advised) and unlock new modules, as certain ships when stock can be quality pain in the arse.

 

Cool thanks for the info. BTW, where can I see my accumulated Free XP. I see 750XP on my Diana after a few rounds, but since I can't do anything with that (hmm, yeah kinda weird, anyway) I just ignore that?

[Phantombeast]

@ Capra76

Srle_Vigilante

Well to hear that the game is more balanced than WT is a welcome response!

Maybe this is a game where I can actually enjoy the murican line

@ lup3s

Hmm yeah and maybe a high tier ship will not be the best start.

What would you recommend for a premium tier 3 or 4?

 

BTW, I have probably a stupid noob question but I got this premium ship with my 'invite' its the Diana.

But when I look at the tech tree I see no progress bar, and can't seem to select something for research. When I click the lowest or next lowest level ship it just leaves the tech tree view and shows the ship.

How do you actually research a ship?

 

What is your Account Level?  You will unlock game options by progressing throu those Levels. Should bei shown somewhere on the top of the screen. Highest level so far is 12 which you will reach pretty fast as the system is meant to introduce on aspect After another and not to slow you down. Just dont forget to switch to random games along the way ^^

[Wrock0n]

thats sort of what makes the russian vehicles in war thunder so broken.

that said, IMO the russian ships are very balanced in WoWS, some people might not agree with me but I dont see myself being killed by russian ships any more or less than any other nation

 

Good to know. I just like balanced games that can come out really close after a long duel. Didn't see much of that in War Thunder. Generally Russians just slaughter everyone

[Wrock0n]

I don't know your experience in WoT. If it's as unbalanced as you say and you've had a habit of losing a lot. I don't believe you can just buy something good and be competitive, but otoh there's no reason to endlessly reach for something better either, because most ships perform decently. Some are better than others of course.

In short - I have fun with the game, I don't chase something better, just play for fun and don't worry about any grind, but I don't think you'll find a one ship you'll perform well in from the start. Better start slow.

 

Start slow, yep, sounds like a good plan

[dawnpatrolss]

Credits is never a problem in this game, as opposite wowp and wot requires hvy grinding and preferrable premium to progress.

[Wrock0n]

I have one personal rule in all MMOs, if the game becomes a grind to me I quit playing if there are no other alternatives to play it. But here's the cool thing with WoWs, and WoT too, premium vehicles. So some times I just sail, or tank, my premiums and that's that. Frees me from the grind completely. Then I may take out the regular ship/tank some times, and one day I've researched it all without even thinking much about that. Which is one of the good things about WoWs/WoT, no forced grind to actually have fun.

 

Nice! Sounds like a refreshing change

[Panocek]

 

Cool thanks for the info. BTW, where can I see my accumulated Free XP. I see 750XP on my Diana after a few rounds, but since I can't do anything with that (hmm, yeah kinda weird, anyway) I just ignore that?

 

Right top corner you can see in game currencies - premium doubloons, "main" credits you buy stuff with and Free Exp, though I'm not sure if you need to "level up" to gain access to it.

 

750exp you gained on premium ship is useless, as you can only convert it with doubloons/gold into Free Exp, the same applies to experience you will be accumulating even if you research all the modules and next ship. I have over 2 millions of experience sitting just so on my fun ships I've kept and premiums ones, so don't worry about it.

 

One thing worth mentioning is lack of "endgame" content, so there is no reason to grind your way above tier 7 - with tiers up gameplay becomes increasingly punishing for mistakes, which for hightiers often means you will lose credits. So feel free to find your happy place at any tier you like.

[Cosseria]

I don't really feel the grind as the high repair costs from tier 8 onwards really killed my longing to reach top tiers. It only felt grindy at the beginning as I tried to push several lines at the same time, but mid tiers are easily reached and those are the most enjoyable.

As an advice, use your Diana only as a captain retrainer and fun ship for now, and start a regular line. As soon as your account level unlocks it, check for a clan to play in divisions, that's one of the best parts of the game.

[Gunship14]

I'd say go ahead and get all lines up to tiers 6-7, without premium. I started buying premium when I decided "yes, I want to move further, I like this game" (I was also fascinated because it was online ship action like Navyfield, mixed with Battlestation's 3D graphics and style). Tiers 8,9 and 10 can get quite grindy, and I can't imagine how long it would take to grind 9 without premium.

 

Also, as you said, credits are the main limiting factor on top tiers. While the exp is indeed a lot, you will be barely earning any credits, while the ships and upgrades get more and more expensive. Buying and fully upgrading a tier 9 ship is actually more costly than buying a tier 10 one. Keep some tier 5-6 ships for credit grinding, or buy premiums tiers 5-8. Tier 5 premium for a start, the tier 8 after you have reached it in a normal tech tree and have more experience.