bucht91U Players 18 posts 2,141 battles Report post #76 Posted July 31, 2016 (edited) It wasn't perfect but for the ammount of torpedo hits both ships recieved and survived I say it fulfilled its role. So call my crazy but it should actually recieve a buff in that case in comparison to other BBs. Considering RN Vittorio Veneto came home from Matapan while other ships didn't with similar hits(Bismarck and PoW) the protection system is underrated. Is it perfect? No but it did what it was supposed to do Ok, it was just a bad joke from me. But like you two said, it had some flaws. Edited July 31, 2016 by bucht91U Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Historynerd Beta Tester 4,249 posts 848 battles Report post #77 Posted July 31, 2016 (edited) But what about the bad torpedo protection aka the Pugliese torpedo defense system? A torpedo protection of -100% ? Not to pat myself in the back, but I made a topic about it here. Turns out that, while not perfect, it didn't turn out so bad, in respect to the systems other nations used. And that several people who talked about it should have checked their facts a bit better. Edited July 31, 2016 by Historynerd Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BabyAdmiral Beta Tester 473 posts 3,725 battles Report post #78 Posted August 1, 2016 I've voted "no" because I want WG to concentrate on the game and the regular tech trees. How is making a ship for a game about ships not concentrating on the game? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bucht91U Players 18 posts 2,141 battles Report post #79 Posted August 1, 2016 Not to pat myself in the back, but I made a topic about it here. Turns out that, while not perfect, it didn't turn out so bad, in respect to the systems other nations used. And that several people who talked about it should have checked their facts a bit better. I am going to read it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheCinC Quality Poster 1,695 posts 9,500 battles Report post #80 Posted August 1, 2016 Only if, like HMS Hood, she comes with a permanent "No magazine detonations" signal. I want a KGV first, both Prince of Wales and Duke of York would make good premiums, I'm sure. But yeah, a Vittorio Veneto class BB would be nice. As I described them once: battleships designed by Italians, think: Ferrari with 15 inch guns. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MAJOR] alkiap Alpha Tester 123 posts 12,451 battles Report post #81 Posted August 1, 2016 I would buy it the split second it's released! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Historynerd Beta Tester 4,249 posts 848 battles Report post #82 Posted August 2, 2016 Only if, like HMS Hood, she comes with a permanent "No magazine detonations" signal. I never looked into it, but I wonder if any comparable BB would have had the deck armor to stop the Fritz X that sank the Roma, or would have suffered a similar fate. The KGV included. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deamon93 Sailing Hamster 3,124 posts 1,275 battles Report post #83 Posted August 2, 2016 I never looked into it, but I wonder if any comparable BB would have had the deck armor to stop the Fritz X that sank the Roma, or would have suffered a similar fate. The KGV included. As far as I recall what doomed RN Roma was the fact that, unlike what happened in most(if not all) other cases the Fritz X stopped within the ship and not happily pierced everything to end up in the water and only then explode. So every other ship with a comparable deck thickness if hit there would be at risk. Then again when the ship was designed such weapons weren't even thinkable, unlike what happened to Hood Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[COMFY] ImperialAdmiral [COMFY] Players 1,649 posts 9,828 battles Report post #84 Posted February 17, 2017 I appologize for huge necro but since it is pretty much confirmed that Roma is going to be a Tier VIII Premium Italian battleship I just want to thank everyone that supported the idea, people that shared their opinion in here and mods that passed idea to evaluation. Thank you all! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[IFS] Duke_of_Genoa Players 138 posts 20,008 battles Report post #85 Posted February 20, 2017 There's a mistake. The hull was green, not red. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sander93 Beta Tester 990 posts 3,431 battles Report post #86 Posted February 20, 2017 So what's the deal with this ship? Guns? AA? Secondaries? Manoeuvrability? Armor? What will make her stand out among the other tier 8 titans? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Agantas Players 1,059 posts 7,793 battles Report post #87 Posted February 20, 2017 In terms of armament, protection and mobility any difference that she has is at most minimal. Eye candy alone isn't enough, in my opinion. There is also the factor of premium ship income and free use of captains involved. We've seen this kind of approach with the premium Hipper, Printz Eugen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deamon93 Sailing Hamster 3,124 posts 1,275 battles Report post #88 Posted February 20, 2017 So what's the deal with this ship? Guns? AA? Secondaries? Manoeuvrability? Armor? What will make her stand out among the other tier 8 titans? What should make her stand out are guns, maneuverability with speed being decent(30+ knots). Armor is complicated since all depends on how WG depicts her complicated scheme. AA for sure won't be great and on secondaries shouldn't shine either Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VC381 Players 2,928 posts 6,549 battles Report post #89 Posted February 21, 2017 So what's the deal with this ship? Guns? AA? Secondaries? Manoeuvrability? Armor? What will make her stand out among the other tier 8 titans? Beauty. Nothing else matters 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Historynerd Beta Tester 4,249 posts 848 battles Report post #90 Posted February 21, 2017 Beauty. Nothing else matters After you face one, I'll ask you if beauty is the only thing that struck you! 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
creamgravy Players 2,780 posts 17,292 battles Report post #91 Posted February 21, 2017 (edited) After you face one, I'll ask you if beauty is the only thing that struck you! Edit: Maybe Ferrari is more suitable? Edited February 21, 2017 by creamgravy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FMA] Baunummer509 Players 71 posts 3,180 battles Report post #92 Posted February 21, 2017 Glad that Roma will make it into the game. If WG gets her beautiful look right, I surely will buy her. I can't understand why WG decided to implement french (I mean... FRENCH...you know Oran?) ships first. Must be marketing reasons. probably more french then italian players. I would love to see some Regia Marina Cruisers in the game. Any news when she will hit the premium-shop? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[COMFY] ImperialAdmiral [COMFY] Players 1,649 posts 9,828 battles Report post #93 Posted February 21, 2017 Glad that Roma will make it into the game. If WG gets her beautiful look right, I surely will buy her. I can't understand why WG decided to implement french (I mean... FRENCH...you know Oran?) ships first. Must be marketing reasons. probably more french then italian players. I would love to see some Regia Marina Cruisers in the game. Any news when she will hit the premium-shop? No specific info afaik. Only that it will be after the USS Alabama. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VC381 Players 2,928 posts 6,549 battles Report post #94 Posted February 21, 2017 After you face one, I'll ask you if beauty is the only thing that struck you! I didn't mean that I think she will be useless, only that I don't care what her stats are, or if she has some unique "gimmick", because that isn't the main reason to buy it for most people in this thread. I do fear that dispersion though... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deamon93 Sailing Hamster 3,124 posts 1,275 battles Report post #95 Posted February 21, 2017 Glad that Roma will make it into the game. If WG gets her beautiful look right, I surely will buy her. I can't understand why WG decided to implement french (I mean... FRENCH...you know Oran?) ships first. Must be marketing reasons. probably more french then italian players. I would love to see some Regia Marina Cruisers in the game. Any news when she will hit the premium-shop? Hard to say, perhaps is much easier to get hold on pieces of info in Baguetteland(I just know how painful it is to work with the Italian counterparts). On cruisers I think either them or BBs will come first, I find DDs as first highly unlikely due to how the line should be(all in all they are the least interesting) As said above we just know Alabama will come first but, considering I already have Alabama ST, the standard should come in the short term. Sadly other than this detail we don't know and, without any piece of information regarding how much work has already been put into her, is hard to say. I didn't mean that I think she will be useless, only that I don't care what her stats are, or if she has some unique "gimmick", because that isn't the main reason to buy it for most people in this thread. I do fear that dispersion though... I doubt would have crazy dispersion, taking into account similar or worse cases. With this said she has to have a somewhat higher dispersion due to balance(with a small dispersion the 381/50 could potentially be too deadly considering its 850 m/s of MV and potential 12100 AP alpha damage). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Historynerd Beta Tester 4,249 posts 848 battles Report post #96 Posted February 21, 2017 (edited) I didn't mean that I think she will be useless, only that I don't care what her stats are, or if she has some unique "gimmick", because that isn't the main reason to buy it for most people in this thread. I do fear that dispersion though... I know and respect you too much to assume that it was your intention to be disrespectful or disdainful, I was merely making a witty comment, given the likelyhood of great muzzle velocities for her guns. As for dispersion, well, as Deaon93 said, I don't think we'll get absurd values. Besides, logic-wise, the Dunkerque should have been worse off, instead in LittleWhiteMouse's review I read that her shell grouping is "very kind". It'll be all down to balance, and I don't think that, assuming slowish reload, her penetration power and alpha need to be compensated by huge dispersion. Edited February 21, 2017 by Historynerd 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[W-W] pihip_wg Players 2 posts Report post #97 Posted February 21, 2017 I was discussing how good it would be if Roma would be added to WoWs with a friend the other day (I'm Italian, having an Italian ship available would be amazing), glad that WG decided to make her a premium vessel! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[H_FAN] Gnirf Players 3,293 posts 67,252 battles Report post #98 Posted February 22, 2017 So what's the deal with this ship? Guns? AA? Secondaries? Manoeuvrability? Armor? What will make her stand out among the other tier 8 titans? How it is possible to program the Pugliese armour? Can you make the first torpedo hit in the given ship area less damage than the following (due to the Construction of the Cylinder in the Pugliese system, as the forcedissipation thing would be used up from the first hit), Rudder safer than every other Battleship (double). The Bismarck thing is far more unlikely to happen on this ship. Vittorio Veneto benefited from this. Secondary battery well mostly in US/British literature the separate HA/LA secondary arnament instead of D.P is described as a less good feature, but some moderates in more as giving the context in how the ships will fought, against Surface forces that are larger etc , weight savings reasons is a thing. But if you have the size and weight to your advantage f.e. against KGV it has its benefits also. I would not say that her secondaries anti-Surface arnament are fantastic, but that is really something that contary to Deamon93 post 88 that may be a feature. It is after all 4x3 152 mm, that may be given Bismarck style range or better (24.900 m according to Fraccaroli Italian warships of WW2) and they are among the most (if not the most , doesnt have time to read all books now) heavily protected of all secondaries (yamato had only splinterarmour f.e.), the AA is weaker but it depends on how they will do it , they can bend values to balance the ship. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FMA] Baunummer509 Players 71 posts 3,180 battles Report post #99 Posted February 22, 2017 Thanks for the answers regarding the (still unknown) release date. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deamon93 Sailing Hamster 3,124 posts 1,275 battles Report post #100 Posted February 22, 2017 On the rudders I hope WG models them properly, that would give her something unique(and give her an edge in turning radius coupled with her favourable length to beam ratio). The Pugliese system on the other hand is complicated, not as complicated as her belt but I digress. The 152/55s are well protected but should still fire slower than the German counterparts on Bismarck, plus having less and smaller tertiary guns Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
