[COMFY] ImperialAdmiral [COMFY] Players 1,649 posts 9,828 battles Report post #51 Posted July 23, 2016 I am sorry if I gave impression of angry. I am never angry. It's ok. I just really don't want this to escalate into something really serious. So please everyone. Go back on topic. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BabyAdmiral Beta Tester 473 posts 3,725 battles Report post #52 Posted July 23, 2016 I give you one example where customer in plural (customers) are never right. Pricing. Ask any of customer ever and price is not right. I will indeed leave this OT-ness now, but I have to comment on this. You don't ask customers how they feel about pricing. How they use their wallet is how the company knows what the customers really think about their pricing. Everyone wishes for lower prices, that doesn't necessary mean they are not willing to actually pay more. This is why customer surveys is so much less important than sales figures and statistical observations of shifting buying patterns. BabyAdmiral out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Historynerd Beta Tester 4,249 posts 848 battles Report post #53 Posted July 23, 2016 Pretty much all the difference of the Roma sits in its slightly higher bow and in its bigger spaces for the admiral's staff. Little with which to work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puxflacet Players 1,694 posts 3,784 battles Report post #54 Posted July 23, 2016 We're going a tad OT now though not OT at all - this is actually all about premium ships and everything behind that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SPUDS] Comrad_StaIin Beta Tester 4,594 posts 20,080 battles Report post #55 Posted July 23, 2016 wait...there is a B hull for bismarck...i wonder how (s)he will look after that upgrade! wg dont want clones anymore. thats the reason why we wont have stock hull for kaiser (becouse of premium konig albert) and 280mm for gneisenau...so be careful what you want the B hull Bismarck only has some Flakvierlings spread around the deck so no worries there mate 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deamon93 Sailing Hamster 3,124 posts 1,275 battles Report post #56 Posted July 23, 2016 not OT at all - this is actually all about premium ships and everything behind that Discussing about microeconomics on a thread about a potential premium may be on topic but steers away the discussion from the ship itself. Anyway as I expected the poll, abeit with a very limited population, is leaning towards yes. To be fair I'm not that surprised even though I'm somewhat sceptical about it(for this reason RN Roma is in the list of potential premium BBs in my thread). I guess if that's the case they'll take the historical RN Roma and add some(granted well needed) what-ifs on the AA for the standard upgraded hull(which wouldn't be far fetched since new mounts were planned to enter service in the same year of the Armistice). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puxflacet Players 1,694 posts 3,784 battles Report post #57 Posted July 23, 2016 i bet that if you pick any famous ship name and make a poll "do you want it to be premium" that 85%+ will be yes all the time...because people understand this question like "do you want it in your port right now?" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BabyAdmiral Beta Tester 473 posts 3,725 battles Report post #58 Posted July 23, 2016 i bet that if you pick any famous ship name and make a poll "do you want it to be premium" that 85% will be yes all the time...because people understand this question like "do you want it in your port right now?" Is that a problem though? You present this as if it was something negative? Tirpitz proves your point, which should lead Wargaming to make more famous ships premiums - not less. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KPtja Players 273 posts 2,478 battles Report post #59 Posted July 23, 2016 i bet that if you pick any famous ship name and make a poll "do you want it to be premium" that 85%+ will be yes all the time...because people understand this question like "do you want it in your port right now?" Even if it is not understood like "immediately" why would anyone oppose new premium? Only exception would be that someone wants that particular ship as class in tree. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puxflacet Players 1,694 posts 3,784 battles Report post #60 Posted July 23, 2016 Is that a problem though? You present this as it is something negative? could be...as we saw with the germans Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BabyAdmiral Beta Tester 473 posts 3,725 battles Report post #61 Posted July 23, 2016 could be...as we saw with the germans Care to elaborate? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puxflacet Players 1,694 posts 3,784 battles Report post #62 Posted July 23, 2016 Care to elaborate? i already said that: no ww1 hull for kaiser because of konig albert no 280mm for gneisenau because of scharnhorst Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SPUDS] Comrad_StaIin Beta Tester 4,594 posts 20,080 battles Report post #63 Posted July 23, 2016 (edited) could be...as we saw with the germans what is negative about that? read post above Edited July 23, 2016 by Kaseko Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BabyAdmiral Beta Tester 473 posts 3,725 battles Report post #64 Posted July 23, 2016 i already said that: no ww1 hull for kaiser because of konig albert no 280mm for gneisenau because of scharnhorst That's not an argument. That's just listing information. Besides, this seem to be negative for the ships in the tree, not the premiums themselves? Seems you have defined that standard ships have precendece over premium ships? I don't agree with that, so you won't win me over if that's the ace up your sleeve. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deamon93 Sailing Hamster 3,124 posts 1,275 battles Report post #65 Posted July 23, 2016 i bet that if you pick any famous ship name and make a poll "do you want it to be premium" that 85%+ will be yes all the time...because people understand this question like "do you want it in your port right now?" And that proves exactly why I have considered RN Roma as an option. A high demand high tier ship means $$ for WG and microeconomics isn't that different from WH warp: if enough people believe on something that something will happen eventually. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KPtja Players 273 posts 2,478 battles Report post #66 Posted July 23, 2016 i already said that: no ww1 hull for kaiser because of konig albert no 280mm for gneisenau because of scharnhorst And for how many % of players that is a problem? That is important to determine if it is problem in grand scheme or just for you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puxflacet Players 1,694 posts 3,784 battles Report post #67 Posted July 23, 2016 (edited) That's not an argument. That's just listing information. Besides, this seem to be negative for the ships in the tree, not the premiums themselves? Seems you have defined that standard ships have precendece over premium ships? I don't agree with that, so you won't win me over if that's the ace up your sleeve. well its the reason why i would be more careful about premiums right now premiums are fine, but i dont like the prospect of spoiled tech trees because of premium ships Edited July 23, 2016 by puxflacet Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BabyAdmiral Beta Tester 473 posts 3,725 battles Report post #68 Posted July 23, 2016 well its the reason why i would be more careful about premiums right now premiums are fine, but i dont like the prospect of spoiled tech trees because of premium ships Then I suggest you use "I" instead of "we" when talking about the "problem" with the German ships. It's simply your preference, just as my preference is that I don't want to see missed premium opportunities just because they need to cater to the standard ships in the trees. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puxflacet Players 1,694 posts 3,784 battles Report post #69 Posted July 24, 2016 Then I suggest you use "I" instead of "we" when talking about the "problem" with the German ships. It's simply your preference, just as my preference is that I don't want to see missed premium opportunities just because they need to cater to the standard ships in the trees. so why even bother with tech trees when everyone could just buy every ship he wants? i thought that the point of these games is progress through tech trees and premiums are just a sort of bonus. ...and where did I use "we" instead of "i" ? i only wrote "as we saw with the germans" and everyone is able to see that there is: puxflacet, on 23 July 2016 - 09:04 PM, said: no ww1 hull for kaiser because of konig albert no 280mm for gneisenau because of scharnhorst Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BFT] basharran Beta Tester 260 posts 3,008 battles Report post #70 Posted July 28, 2016 I've voted "no" because I want WG to concentrate on the game and the regular tech trees. Also I feel that the higher tier premium ships are overpriced as it is. I understand that a "free" to play game also needs to be payed and I've been a regular and paying customer for over 4 years (WoT and WoWs), but all these premiums make me a little sick. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dzony_Milelony Players 60 posts 5,782 battles Report post #71 Posted July 30, 2016 My answer is in my avatar... Well...this was one of the best bb, in her class only Bismark class was better. It's my dream to see this Bb in Premium shop, I will buy 2 lol !!! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Historynerd Beta Tester 4,249 posts 848 battles Report post #72 Posted July 31, 2016 My answer is in my avatar... Well...this was one of the best bb, in her class only Bismark class was better. It's my dream to see this Bb in Premium shop, I will buy 2 lol !!! We'll see when, either as a premium or as a regular, a Littorio-class comes around, how tough a Bismarck is against it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bucht91U Players 18 posts 2,141 battles Report post #73 Posted July 31, 2016 But what about the bad torpedo protection aka the Pugliese torpedo defense system? A torpedo protection of -100% ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[COMFY] ImperialAdmiral [COMFY] Players 1,649 posts 9,828 battles Report post #74 Posted July 31, 2016 But what about the bad torpedo protection aka the Pugliese torpedo defense system? A torpedo protection of -100% ? It wasn't perfect but for the ammount of torpedo hits both ships recieved and survived I say it fulfilled its role. So call my crazy but it should actually recieve a buff in that case in comparison to other BBs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deamon93 Sailing Hamster 3,124 posts 1,275 battles Report post #75 Posted July 31, 2016 But what about the bad torpedo protection aka the Pugliese torpedo defense system? A torpedo protection of -100% ? Considering RN Vittorio Veneto came home from Matapan while other ships didn't with similar hits(Bismarck and PoW) the protection system is underrated. Is it perfect? No but it did what it was supposed to do Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
