Cosseria Players 1,064 posts 4,944 battles Report post #26 Posted July 23, 2016 Where was this on the ship? Based on the proximity and angle of the portholes on either side it looks like the very bow or stern of the ship, but since I can't see the base of the superstructure very well, it could possible be there? I'm positive it was at the extreme aft, as was traditional on battleships. The bow was for the crew. About the general issue being discussed: a premium does not need to be a different ship from a regular one. She just has to sport a premium camo and to grant premium income and XP, so I'm all for Roma being a premium. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KPtja Players 273 posts 2,478 battles Report post #27 Posted July 23, 2016 I would like to see Vittorio Veneto as a part of the main tech tree. Mostly because she saw combat. And which one is more famous? As it was said, that's debatable. For some it can be even Littorio/Italia. Sorry to dissapoint you. As WG has stated: Tree ships are class and premiums are individual ships. So following that tree class ship is Littorio and premiums could be Roma or Vittorio Veneto. (I would not dare to debate which it should be) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[COMFY] ImperialAdmiral [COMFY] Players 1,649 posts 9,828 battles Report post #28 Posted July 23, 2016 Sorry to dissapoint you. As WG has stated: Tree ships are class and premiums are individual ships. So following that tree class ship is Littorio and premiums could be Roma or Vittorio Veneto. (I would not dare to debate which it should be) That might be actually ambiguous in that case since Littorio class is sometimes called Vittorio Veneto class. Same thing we have with Scharnhorst. More clearly we can see that with the Dunkerque. Lead ship of its class that is premium. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puxflacet Players 1,694 posts 3,784 battles Report post #29 Posted July 23, 2016 NO!...i want her in the tech tree...but i'm sure that wg will make her premium and at her place in the techtree we will see some sci-fi/hypothetical/neverbuilt/paper monstrosity which was found in russian archives Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puxflacet Players 1,694 posts 3,784 battles Report post #30 Posted July 23, 2016 Sorry to dissapoint you. As WG has stated: Tree ships are class and premiums are individual ships. So following that tree class ship is Littorio and premiums could be Roma or Vittorio Veneto. (I would not dare to debate which it should be) just like scharnorst and gneisenau, right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KPtja Players 273 posts 2,478 battles Report post #31 Posted July 23, 2016 just like scharnorst and gneisenau, right? Even there is few exceptions, it still more logical to except the main rule to happen than exception. But I think I waste my breath explaining logic to you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deamon93 Sailing Hamster 3,124 posts 1,275 battles Report post #32 Posted July 23, 2016 Sorry to dissapoint you. As WG has stated: Tree ships are class and premiums are individual ships. So following that tree class ship is Littorio and premiums could be Roma or Vittorio Veneto. (I would not dare to debate which it should be) Also RN Littorio can sneak by and get a place as premium, rebranded as RN Italia. Thanks to that all three could potentially be premiums without changing the name of the class. That might be actually ambiguous in that case since Littorio class is sometimes called Vittorio Veneto class. Same thing we have with Scharnhorst. More clearly we can see that with the Dunkerque. Lead ship of its class that is premium. Technically it's not ambiguous, it's just that people insist to name the class wrong because of reasons(perhaps because Littorio was renamed afterwards). NO!...i want her in the tech tree...but i'm sure that wg will make her premium and in the techtree we will see some sci-fi/hypothetical/neverbuilt/paper monstrosity which was found in russian archives Technically there are projects which might work at that tier and actually existed(developed by Ferrati, the designer of the Caracciolo-class). Still I strongly believe if they ever make a Littorio-class as premium she'll be a clone since would make more sense(and would require less work) going for the more modern designs(since those projects made by Ferrati would require what-ifs). They are cool and I wouldn't mind seeing them around eventually but the '30s designs are better suited and would require at worst some rework on AA(there were mounts planned to enter service in late '43 but the Armistice came into effect and the rest is history). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puxflacet Players 1,694 posts 3,784 battles Report post #33 Posted July 23, 2016 (edited) Deamon93, on 23 July 2016 - 03:50 PM, said: There are many more clones than those, still I think the best comparison would be Bismarck/Tirpitz since they would be tier VIIIs just like Littorio/Roma(or whatever one of the three would be the premium). wait...there is a B hull for bismarck...i wonder how (s)he will look after that upgrade! wg dont want clones anymore. thats the reason why we wont have stock hull for kaiser (becouse of premium konig albert) and 280mm for gneisenau...so be careful what you want Edited July 23, 2016 by puxflacet Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KPtja Players 273 posts 2,478 battles Report post #34 Posted July 23, 2016 That might be actually ambiguous in that case since Littorio class is sometimes called Vittorio Veneto class. Same thing we have with Scharnhorst. More clearly we can see that with the Dunkerque. Lead ship of its class that is premium. In that you are right. There are exceptions. And as many many things in this game are not "set in stone" anything can happen. But my money is in the "main rule" on this one. P.S. As really lightly literate on subject of ships, I have never understood of the class name Vittorio Veneto, all the dates are favor of Littorio etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puxflacet Players 1,694 posts 3,784 battles Report post #35 Posted July 23, 2016 Even there is few exceptions, it still more logical to except the main rule to happen than exception. But I think I waste my breath explaining logic to you. yeah. you dont have to explain logic to me...and my point was that i think there are no rules that wg would not dare to break Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deamon93 Sailing Hamster 3,124 posts 1,275 battles Report post #36 Posted July 23, 2016 wait...there is a B hull for bismarck...i wonder how (s)he will look after that upgrade! wg dont want clones anymore. thats the reason why we wont have stock hull for kaiser, becouse of premium konig albert and 280mm for gneisenau...so be careful what you want She's still a clone(ie from the same class). For Scharnhorst and Gneisenau that's another case since every single Littorio-class had the same armament while the former two were planned to get 15" guns but then got 11" guns and Gneisenau had again the 15" planned after she was rekt by the RAF(or FAA, don't recall at the moment). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KPtja Players 273 posts 2,478 battles Report post #37 Posted July 23, 2016 yeah. you dont have to explain logic to me...and my point was that i think there are no rules that wg would not dare to break In that you are right. As all the rules are set by themselves. As it is their game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puxflacet Players 1,694 posts 3,784 battles Report post #38 Posted July 23, 2016 In that you are right. As all the rules are set by themselves. As it is their game. it's our game...without players (and their money) there would be no world of warships Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KPtja Players 273 posts 2,478 battles Report post #39 Posted July 23, 2016 it's our game...without players (and their money) there would be no world of warships Even with that logic, it does not mean that any of your ideas of wishes are relevant to slightest degree. But in reality it's their game. And they always do as they feel is right thing. That's what all almost companies do. P.S. I have no idea about the revenue of this game. But I have feeling that it's good. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puxflacet Players 1,694 posts 3,784 battles Report post #40 Posted July 23, 2016 (edited) Even with that logic, it does not mean that any of your ideas of wishes are relevant to slightest degree. But in reality it's their game. And they always do as they feel is right thing. That's what all almost companies do. customer is always right...my opinion is relevant as ony other player's of this game Edited July 23, 2016 by puxflacet Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BabyAdmiral Beta Tester 473 posts 3,725 battles Report post #41 Posted July 23, 2016 it's our game...without players (and their money) there would be no world of warships Indeed. And what you are whining about is something the big masses of players couldn't care less about. That's why they don't have to worry about your ranting. Sales figures, statistics and money matters. You being vocal on a forum doesn't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puxflacet Players 1,694 posts 3,784 battles Report post #42 Posted July 23, 2016 Indeed. And what you are whining about is something the big masses of players couldn't care less about. That's why they don't have to worry about your ranting. Sales figures, statistics and money matters. You being vocal on a forum doesn't. what am i whining about? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BabyAdmiral Beta Tester 473 posts 3,725 battles Report post #43 Posted July 23, 2016 our customer our master...my opinion is relevant as ony other player's of this game Actually no. Like it or not, but in a climate where supply and demand are the defining rules, the "tyranny of the masses" is what you get. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KPtja Players 273 posts 2,478 battles Report post #44 Posted July 23, 2016 customer is always right...my opinion is relevant as ony other player's of this game My boy, you have loooooooooooooong way to go to be entrepreneur. Customer is most not definitely always right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BabyAdmiral Beta Tester 473 posts 3,725 battles Report post #45 Posted July 23, 2016 My boy, you have loooooooooooooong way to go to be entrepreneur. Customer is most not definitely always right. If customer = majority of customers, it is. If customer = the individual customer, it isn't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KPtja Players 273 posts 2,478 battles Report post #46 Posted July 23, 2016 If customer = majority of customers, it is. If customer = the individual customer, it isn't. I give you one example where customer in plural (customers) are never right. Pricing. Ask any of customer ever and price is not right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[COMFY] ImperialAdmiral [COMFY] Players 1,649 posts 9,828 battles Report post #47 Posted July 23, 2016 Please. Just stay civil guys. There is really no need to get angry. Everyone has their opinions afterall. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KPtja Players 273 posts 2,478 battles Report post #48 Posted July 23, 2016 Please. Just stay civil guys. There is really no need to get angry. Everyone has their opinions afterall. I am sorry if I gave impression of angry. I am never angry. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deamon93 Sailing Hamster 3,124 posts 1,275 battles Report post #49 Posted July 23, 2016 We're going a tad OT now though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BabyAdmiral Beta Tester 473 posts 3,725 battles Report post #50 Posted July 23, 2016 I am sorry if I gave impression of angry. I am never angry. Ditto. It sometimes seems being explanatory leads peoople to think one is being angry/defensive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
