Hiryu unplayable

[Syrchalis]

T6 torpedo bombers?

 

How can anyone even have any fun in this ship?

 

T7 is where AA starts getting beyond ridiculous and this ship has planes... calling them paper planes would be a vast overstatement of their durability.

 

I remember when I leveled through it a year back you wouldn't lose 4/8 torpedo bombers when trying to attack a lone ship with bad AA before even dropping torpedos, and of course losing the other 4 bombers on the way back.

 

This ship would suck even with infinite reserves right now. I really don't know what WG is thinking.

 

Well, back to playing Taiho, only CV in the game right now that is remotely fun. As long as you stay clear of 75% of ships and only go for DDs.

[ShinGetsu]

T6 torpedo bombers?

 

How can anyone even have any fun in this ship?

 

T7 is where AA starts getting beyond ridiculous and this ship has planes... calling them paper planes would be a vast overstatement of their durability.

 

I remember when I leveled through it a year back you wouldn't lose 4/8 torpedo bombers when trying to attack a lone ship with bad AA before even dropping torpedos, and of course losing the other 4 bombers on the way back.

 

This ship would suck even with infinite reserves right now. I really don't know what WG is thinking.

 

Well, back to playing Taiho, only CV in the game right now that is remotely fun. As long as you stay clear of 75% of ships and only go for DDs.

 

Heh, I grinded through this crap and only unlocked Shokaku recently. This was hell on a day where Satan decided to work past the curfew. Shokaku is way more fun. Or more like I can finally have fun with a CV !

I'm wondering if I should keep Shoka when I'll unlock Taiho.

[Syrchalis]

BTH, Shokaku is pretty bad too, but at least you can attack a ship or two aside from DDs without losing all bombers. You can even attack a cruiser with really bad AA and no AA consumable and half of your planes will survive.

 

I think I wouldn't touch CVs nowadays if I hadn't unlocked all of them already and had a 18 point captain for both lines.

[ShinGetsu]

Naaah, with Shokaku I can do massive strikes as long as my attacks are synchronized, even attacking Iowa or NC is possible after they lost some of their AA. I've become used to torps DDs too. Now I can regurlarly drop for 25-35k or more damage with one wave of TB (mostly on Tirpitz and Amagi, but also on lower tier BBs, cruisers with crappy AA like Atago, and Izumo/Yamato). Never dreamed to do that with Hiryu...

Or maybe I guess I suffered so much with Hiryu that Shoka is a dream in comparison.

[Vanhal]

All T6-T8 CV's will get preferential +1 MM fom 0.5.9

 

[ShinGetsu]

Yep, I saw that. But it still won't save Hiryu as long as his TB will drop like flies against a Fuso.

[Syrchalis]

All T6-T8 CV's will get preferential +1 MM fom 0.5.9

 

 

Doesn't fix Hiryu's god awful planes. You would need to be top tier every game so you even have a chance to compete.

[ShinGetsu]

 

You would need to be top tier every game so you even have a chance to compete.

 

Yeah, nope. Don't forget 3/0/1 Saipan that basically deny you from playing with just point&click...

[SV_Kompresor]

Hiryu is very playable...it's an awesome CV....it is sad that it has tier 6 TBs though

[deadly_if_swallowed]

I rarely go after DDs in a CV. I just fail at hitting them so I focus targets I can hurt instead. Had some trouble coordinating 6 squads at first but I am more and more getting the hang of it. I just struggle against Saipan but I am sure I can overcome that as well.

After playing a lot of Ranger (strike deck) before, I daresay Hiryu is very well playable at her Tier, even when matched against T9 ships. Sure, you lose a lot of planes but so does every CV at any tier. Syrchalis is the more experienced CV captain so I will not give any advice or anything. I do not have many games with Hiryu either. I just do not share above thoughts about paper planes or op AA. My main issue is Hiryu's paper fighters that only take down planes by strafing but utterly fail at dogfights even when outnumbering USN planes.

[ShinGetsu]

I don't understand you guys. I saw my TB getting killed by Fuso, Aoba, Myoko, even by Hatsuharu... And IJN DBs are just here to set fires.

 

How can you say it's "fine" ? I had games where I simply couldn't attack ANYTHING. And I really mean anything. Even when you manage to keep the enemy CV away, there is just too much AA for this poor CV. It has the same TB as Zuiho ffs !

 

I had more average damage in Ryujo than Hiryu... 

 

 I rarely go after DDs in a CV.

 

Going after DD was hard with Hiryu since the planes were horribly slow. With Shoka I reliably torp tier 8-10 DDs thanks to the extra speed of the tier 8 planes. I'm more or less specializing in this field lately.

[Hauptbahnhof]

Yeah I can't honestly understand how they reasoned when they put the Hiryu's slow tier 6 TBs into paired matchmaking with the Saipans lvl 9 fighters...

If the Saipan player has a minimum of thinking capacity your TBs will be slaughtered and there is nothing you can do about it.

 

I also agree the AA is really silly in comparison to any Carrier as soon as Cleveland up is present. Good think with the new preferential MM, but I don't think that's enough.

[Thunderslap91]

The reason why hiryu lose is T7 TB was because pll start to cry the US was to underpower, and fill the forum with tears, so WG insted of buffing the US CV, they nerf the IJN one, that is all, 1 complain the others suffers, that is how WG works

[Sea_viper]

Ranger captains will want to have a word with you...

[Sea_viper]

Double post

[VC381]

Meh, exaggeration. I'm a mediocre CV player at best and the other day in my Hiryu I got higher base score than my team's Taiho. It's really not as bad as people seem to think, it feels like I'm constantly in T9 games and I'm still getting 50k-ish damage on average. The preferential MM is going to be awesome!

[ShinGetsu]

Meh, exaggeration. I'm a mediocre CV player at best and the other day in my Hiryu I got higher base score than my team's Taiho. It's really not as bad as people seem to think, it feels like I'm constantly in T9 games and I'm still getting 50k-ish damage on average. The preferential MM is going to be awesome!

 

Exaggeration ? I have more average damage with HOSHO than with Hiryu. While I manage to do 20k more with Shokaku...

[T_H_0_R]

Shokaku is still good. Difficult in T10 but manageable if your team isn't full potato. In T8 it is very nicely balanced vs other ships that aren't full AA spec.

 

On T10 you can hunt DDs and Yamas. Such a large target isn't hard to drop on with DBs, and long range TB drops are not easy to avoid since high tier BBs don't exactly turn like NC.

 

This is how you do it: http://wowreplays.com/Replay/11842

 

When no such targets are available, you can hunt DDs due to much faster planes than Hiryu. Not as easy as with 3xTBs but doable. If not sinking outright, you can cripple them and increase odds of your DDs winning when contesting caps.

 

Last game I was in T10 I managed to sink 3 DDs and ended up as a top scorer with a T8 CV in a T10 match. TBH in both games the enemy CV was bad, but still - it is manageable. Still hate T10 battles non the less. So I love the fact Shoka will get preferential MM since I had some piss poor teams lately as well where in spite of me doing 100k damage in T10 game it was meaningless...

 

Not sure how will this affect my divisions with friends. Should I now only bring T7 ships in a Shokaku division?

 

 

 

Exaggeration ? I have more average damage with HOSHO than with Hiryu. While I manage to do 20k more with Shokaku...

 

Yes, exaggeration. TBH your Shokaku damage is a bit low. Even though I used Hiryu before it received T6 TB, it still can deal damage around.

 

Back to the Hiryu. The trick is always grouping up your TBs. Else you can lose them to a low AA ship like Schors, if he is fully AA spec. As it happened to me in Ranked. That was the reason why I switched back to 2-2-2. No longer do I fear Saipans. They are easily beaten with 15pt captain and DE 3rd row skill.

[ShinGetsu]

 TBH your Shokaku damage is a bit low.

 

I know that. I just finished its grind (I just need Hull C now) and my first battle weren't very good. I should manage at least 5k more in average. Anyway my damage are a bit low on all my ships except Hipper, so...

 

But even with grouped TB, I still think Hiryu was, and is still a weak CV, and one of the most frustrating I played. Shoka is definitely more fun.

[T_H_0_R]

My current version Hiryu experience comes only from Ranked. Back when it had T7 planes it was a true gem of the line. I loved every match in it. Yes, I can see how T6 planes can be a problem on T7, let alone on T8 where you can't do much but avoid Hippers, OP AA Kutuzovs or NCs.

 

Still, it should be doable. Especially if it gets that T8 max MM. T6 CVs in T8 were almost useless. Them seing T7 max is also a very good, long over due if I may add move.

[ShinGetsu]

I did a couple of battle with Hiryu in ranked, and 3/1/2 works well in this mode, as I played mostly as a spotter and DD killer, eventually trying to kill the strike plane of my counterpart. It works well, but it's a tedious and boring gameplay and I hate fighter setup with a passion.

[lup3s]

All T6-T8 CV's will get preferential +1 MM fom 0.5.9

 

 

finally I got fed up with getting into T8 matches with my Independence or Ryujo.. I'm not a bad CV player but the 2 tier difference in AA is devastating for my planes. (once lost 5 of my 12 planes to a Fubuki, just by flying over him / keeping him spotted)

[deadly_if_swallowed]

Yup, T6 carrier against T8 ships is frustrating. T7 carrier against T9 ships is manageable though. Iowa killcount (almost full health so no finishing/ks) of my Hiryu is currently 2 after 8 battles. Iowa's length (longest ship in the game iirc) and slow rudder shift make her a great target for long distance torp drops. It costs a lot of planes, maybe even the whole attack wave, but sinking that AA fortress with planes is most satisfying

 

[Hauptbahnhof]

Ranger captains will want to have a word with you...

 

Why? I have 84k average damage with my Ranger and 80k average damage with my Hiryu ( and I don't even run the Ranger in strike setup ). + alot of that average is based on back when Hiryu had it's T7 Torpedo bombers and it keeps dropping the more I play with it.

 

Top damage is almost equal ( with non-strike ranger slightly ahead of strike Hiryu... ).

[Spellfire40]

Fun part is before they redid the planes on CVs and skill revamp Hiryu was actually the only IJN CV that benefited from the then speed based fighter expert skill making it tir by tir the most powerfull CV for IJN.