Choosing between Indianapolis and Molotov

[hakabe]

Hi guys,

I'm having a hard time choosing between Indianapolis and Molotov. 

Is there any user who owns both and could share his opinions which one is better.

Which one is generating more silver? I've watched Atago replays, and they tend to get 600-800k, while Molotov makes around 300k?

 

NOTE: This is not a debate about playing style etc, just need few opinions which one is more fun to play, yet seriously hurting other ships.


Buying both is not an option for me.

[Devantejah]

Indianapolis should generate more credits since it's a higher tier, that it is the only cruiser around on tier 7 with radar is also a plus.

 

But Molotov should also be a solid choice.

[mtm78]

Can you describe your play style? Which ships do you own and like, which don't you like? There can be no discussion about which is more fun for you when we don't know anything about you. 

 

Same applies with Silver income. I got Molotov, bought it on a whim, I'm not a bad player but I can't really get her to work for me. So I am not making the credits in her I know some other players are making. 

 

Also, you're watching picked Atago replays, the average credit income for Atago is way less. Don't forget even the best players have bad games. 800k is an  exceptionally good game ( for almost everyone ). Only the top 1% of the server might get close to getting that credit income on average and even that is probably overestimating things. 

[Nechrom]

They are quite similar in their playstyle of having great AP shells and range. Perfect for getting citadel penetrations on other cruisers.

 

The main difference between the two is that the Molotov is very fragile for a heavy cruiser at that tier, while the Indianapolis is the opposite with relatively good armor.

Aside from that, the Molotov doesn't have much in the way of AA, unlike the Indianapolis which boasts good AA like most USN cruisers.

The Molotov also has a much wider turning circle than the Indianapolis which is quite agile for a heavy cruiser.

If the Molotov has anything over the Indianapolis then it is its very good shell velocity which makes longer range gunnery easier and more accurate. You're also facing lower tiers which makes your powerful guns and long range that much more impressive compared to other ships in the battle.

 

Personally I'd definitely go with the Indianapolis if the price difference doesn't matter to you. The Indianapolis is much more forgiving with its good armor, nice maneuverability and good AA. While the Molotov takes more damage, has a more difficult time avoiding incoming fire and is a much easier target for carrier attacks due to bad AA and bad turning.

[Echelon2k]

Both ships are very similar in playstyle imo. Both have excellent main guns with superior penetration compared to their peers and both somewhat lack armor.

 

The Indianapolis has the bigger earning potential because it faces higher tier ships. This on the other hand is her archilles heel as her opponents can be both alot more powerful and experienced. Which in turn decreases her survivability by a lot.

The Molotv on the other hand is quite capable of handling herself when uptiered to a T8 game ( at least gunwise as she carries the Donskois guns ). When not uptiered she is a serious threat to all enemies including battleships. 

[Kenliero]

I would choose based on if you have more use for Russian or US captain training. They are both very similar. (I have both).

[XbodzioXplX]

And why not Atago?

The earnings are not 600-800k but rather average income in my games are 200-450k (if you minus the costs).

 

Atago is better in camo, has better torps, is small (harder to hit from distance), guns are nasty to enemies too, good chance of fireup other ships.

Her weak spot is her armour.

But Molotov is more like glass and Indi is paper too (from reviews that I've read - I do not own those 2).

 

And I really love Atago.

 

 

EDIT: or -> https://d.gr-assets.com/hostedimages/1380424375ra/845985.gif 

[Nechrom]

[...] and both somewhat lack armor.

But Molotov is more like glass and Indi is paper too (from reviews that I've read - I do not own those 2).

 

I don't know why some have gotten the impressions that the Indianapolis has bad armor. It has better armor than any other cruiser prior to tier 9. I mean sure it doesn't have battleship armor, but compared to ships of the same class around tier 7, its armor is very good.

 

[Gojuadorai]

molotov

 

i choose the indy cause i liked the pensa and was missing a usn prem .... regreted it since i just dont like the indy style of play

[ReynoldsXD2]

Why not tirpitz.. yu have to play her like a cruiser and get all the benefits of med to close range win....

 

also:

 

12,3 detectino range is trolltastic...

[hakabe]

Can you describe your play style? Which ships do you own and like, which don't you like? There can be no discussion about which is more fun for you when we don't know anything about you. 

The question wasn't about me ;). I love playing them all and I play by the role of the ship. I'm kinda hoping to find a new Cruiser hunter. I often find myself in the last 4-5 ships alive.

 

Well I buy one of them based on the discussion today. I'll also share some first impression replays here later on.

[hakabe]

Why not tirpitz.. yu have to play her like a cruiser and get all the benefits of med to close range win....

I'm not too keen playing with German ships. Maybe it'll change when they bring the German BB's in the game.

[Kenliero]

I'm not too keen playing with German ships. Maybe it'll change when they bring the German BB's in the game.

 

Ironically... IMO German Cruisers are the best Cruiser hunters

[22cm]

From the 2 of them,  Indianapolis. Molotov gets dragged too often as a filler for tier 8 games,  while Indianapolis gets more matches on its tier because tier 9 ships are used as a filler for tier 10 games. So Indy gets easier MM. 

 

To see which fits your playstyle,  play regular ships Kirov for Molotov and Pensacola for Indy and then decide. 

 

But best premim cruiser hunter available right now I think is Arizona or Ishizuchi,  not those 2. Or wait for the tier 7 German premim BB which will prolly be the best cruiser hunter. 

[22cm]

Molotov is a better Kirov,  Indy is a better Pensacola. 

[_Teob_]

I am surprised that people are saying that the Indy's slow shells and US arcs are comparable to the Molotov's rail guns.

 

I would say the Molotov is a better ship with more potential but it is harder to play.

[ShinGetsu]

I am surprised that people are saying that the Indy's slow shells and US arcs are comparable to the Molotov's rail guns.

 

Slow shells ?

Indy's ballistic is the exact same as the Myoko. How is that slow ?

 

Indi's AP are fast and hits hard, and HE aren't half bad either. I have tons of fun with mine.

[Panocek]

Slow shells ?

Indy's ballistic is the exact same as the Myoko. How is that slow ?

 

Indi's AP are fast and hits hard, and HE aren't half bad either. I have tons of fun with mine.

 

Indy/Pensa/NO guns are fine, SuperFreedom shells found in Baltimore and Des Moines can be an issue though.

[Spellfire40]

From the 2 of them,  Indianapolis. Molotov gets dragged too often as a filler for tier 8 games,  while Indianapolis gets more matches on its tier because tier 9 ships are used as a filler for tier 10 games. So Indy gets easier MM.

 

To see which fits your playstyle,  play regular ships Kirov for Molotov and Pensacola for Indy and then decide.

 

But best premim cruiser hunter available right now I think is Arizona or Ishizuchi,  not those 2. Or wait for the tier 7 German premim BB which will prolly be the best cruiser hunter.

 

Dont see it that way if Molotov gets high Tir its superb. If indianopolis gets high Hir ist a lower detection Pensa. Neither takes hits well. I find the balistics of Molotov far better. India suffers more from the unforgiving CA meta that starts around T7.

[hakabe]

Here's some interesting stats:

Molotov:

https://warships.today/vehicle/3764303312/eu/Molotov

Indianapolis:

https://warships.today/vehicle/3763255280/eu/Indianapolis

 

Seems like Molotov is dominating in her bracket.

[22cm]

 

Dont see it that way if Molotov gets high Tir its superb. If indianopolis gets high Hir ist a lower detection Pensa. Neither takes hits well. I find the balistics of Molotov far better. India suffers more from the unforgiving CA meta that starts around T7.

 

From my experience,  and I have both,  I get better MM in Indy,  like being top tier more often. 

[Spellfire40]

 

From my experience,  and I have both,  I get better MM in Indy,  like being top tier more often. 

Not saying what you feel is wrong just subjektiv.

Your used to high tir meta?  Might be a factor. I have both too and I consider Molotov a fun ship while Indianapolis as rather average with a fun gimic that usally kills you If you push to make use of it. Of course my opinion is as subjective as yours thogh statistics seem to point to that Molotov is easyer to play for most players or that there is another factor to make her more sucessfull.

[OldschoolGaming_YouTube]

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[_interceptor_80]

Molotov

If ship can be fun to play, you will not watch a lot on credit income because you will enjoy to play Expect average income,its tier 6 only

[OldschoolGaming_YouTube]

 

Ironically... IMO German Cruisers are the best Cruiser hunters

Yup, this! Tze Germans are really strong ships for deleting cruisers with their fast hard-hitting AP. Roon is one of the best ships ingame IMHO. Great at hunting DDs aswell with their long range Acustic.

 

And why not Atago?

The earnings are not 600-800k but rather average income in my games are 200-450k (if you minus the costs).

 

Atago is better in camo, has better torps, is small (harder to hit from distance), guns are nasty to enemies too, good chance of fireup other ships.

Her weak spot is her armour.

But Molotov is more like glass and Indi is paper too (from reviews that I've read - I do not own those 2).

 

And I really love Atago.

 

 

EDIT: or -> https://d.gr-assets.com/hostedimages/1380424375ra/845985.gif 

This!

Is Atago out of the question? Or do you already have it? That would be my vote in this case. Extremely strong ship with few weaknesses. 

 

Cant really talk about Indy, never played it, never will.

 

Bought Molotov when it was released. Mixed emotions about this ship. My least favorite Premium so far and i own many of them. Its just so paper, and i cant really turn which make you acceptable to citidels all match long pretty much, doesnt care if you sail away from BBs because then they just penetrete you in the [edited]all thru the ship with 60-70% healthreduction as results.

Alltho the Tier IX Guns are great. Some rounds you just citidel cruisers and BBs alike whole game and make like a King!

 

One game me and a Minekaze held the east flank all alone against 4 cruisers and a DD. Dont remember how many Citadels i got on those cruisers (even from the front) but i killed 3 cruisers without dying and the Minekaze took out 1 and the DD ran away.

 

Edit* It was 16 actually which is ok, but you can get alot more. https://youtu.be/kYCchlhaiNU?t=17m23s