Discussion thread for "some interesting info around the world"

[MungaH]

Well just because you don't have the capital ships doesn't mean now every personnel that worked in the navy were insignificant to the war effort. The guy wasn't asking about stories of the ships, but the people, the heroes and those came come from even patrol boats. 

 

Well, I guess this game is about ''warships'', not about ''heroes who fought the the motherland''.

Again, according to what you have written and to how many italian veichles have been implemented in the Wargaming titles, it seems like Italy had no heroes at all.

 

PS: When I say "Warships", I don't mean "Blueprints"

[Deamon93]

Q: Developers tell us a lot about foreign history and great achievements… but this is a Russian server..this is Russia. Did we not have our heroes? Why not remind us about our heroes and battles.. to feel proud about the country, the motherland. Why do you close your eyes on our history?
A: We do not close our eyes, you are wrong. We have many videos in the history corner here (link). More videos material can be found in our gaming rubric "Overkill" and others on the official YouTube channel. Many of these videos are dedicated to the heroic deeds of Russian and Soviet service men.

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Q: Does the karma have any influence on gameplay (getting into weaker teams, losing more often)? I think this is unfair if karma actually aggrieves a player, them anyone can click down anyone purely out of spite (and undeserved).
A: Karma has no effect on matchmaking. Concerning clicking someone "down", this cannot be relevant to a good player with a good conduct, because compliments will prevail over reports and "down-clicks". Moreover, players with good karma may receive various bonuses for positive karma.

 

 

From the news thread. Perhaps they, the Russian home market should be reminded that in comparison to other real navies in WW1, and WW2, they did nothing, but rust, mainly. But it shows were there attention is. EU just a milk cow.

 

Now the Karma thing is interesting. Various bonuses? I have a terrible karma of only 39. Is this why I never see a super container, or when I take risk, its always 5 lousy flags?

 

Every people here is somewhat nationalistic, of course the Russians would have a bigger "echo" because they have a server for themselves(and the ex Soviet Republics which, back then, were part of the Motherland). Personally I don't mind some videos the history of some naval operations/figures from the Motherland since their Navy did something useful both in WWI and in WWII. Of course with this said they don't have to focus entirely on them, the world is big.

 

 

''Taken by them'' is more appropriate. 

UK and USA renounced to littorio and Vittorio Veneto as a form of respect (well, USA has so many ships, they decided to sink many of them for the nuclear test in the pacific) while soviet navy was so poor they needed to get their flagship from our fleet. 

I also got the irony of the post, I just needed an excuse to mock the rusky tech tree. 

 

You're assuming RN Giulio Cesare would have been better off in Italy, if so check what happened to RN Caio Duilio and RN Andrea Doria(plus the vast majority of ships which remained in service with the newly born MMI). Everything was decided before VE day, way before(which is why Murmansk and Arkhangelsk ie USS Milwaukee and HMS Royal Sovereign were "loaned" to the Soviets). With this said the Russians also did a very bad thing to RN Cristoforo Colombo(Amerigo Vespucci sistership) for no reason at all.

 

 

Well, I guess this game is about ''warships'', not about ''heroes who fought the the motherland''.

Again, according to what you have written and to how many italian veichles have been implemented in the Wargaming titles, it seems like Italy had no heroes at all.

 

PS: When I say "Warships", I don't mean "Blueprints"

 

The ships themselves arejust a part of the equation(historically speaking). And the cool history doesn't translate into implementation: as example you can't implement Rizzo's MAS even though his history is interesting ad unique(not many crazy people decided to rush an enemy battlegroup in a patrol boat to come out unscaved and with a BB down). 

 

Italy would also require blueprints to exist. The only line which wouldn't require as many is the DD one but that's the least interesting(in my opinion)

[MungaH]

 

You're assuming RN Giulio Cesare would have been better off in Italy, if so check what happened to RN Caio Duilio and RN Andrea Doria(plus the vast majority of ships which remained in service with the newly born MMI). Everything was decided before VE day, way before(which is why Murmansk and Arkhangelsk ie USS Milwaukee and HMS Royal Sovereign were "loaned" to the Soviets). With this said the Russians also did a very bad thing to RN Cristoforo Colombo(Amerigo Vespucci sistership) for no reason at all.

 

 

The ships themselves arejust a part of the equation(historically speaking). And the cool history doesn't translate into implementation: as example you can't implement Rizzo's MAS even though his history is interesting ad unique(not many crazy people decided to rush an enemy battlegroup in a patrol boat to come out unscaved and with a BB down). 

 

Italy would also require blueprints to exist. The only line which wouldn't require as many is the DD one but that's the least interesting(in my opinion)

 

I'm assuming that wargaming is focusing in a tree composed mostly by foreign blueprints.

 

The keyword is "mostly", because every single tech tree in this game has his paper ships, but the soviet BB tree would be almost ridiculous.

 

And there's no need to talk about the MAS, at least as long as they don't implement the torpedo boats trees.

But anyway, the russian heroes would be of course more "heroic" than ours

[snipershot]

Thats the thing about games, the developers get to write the history, and regardless of obvious bias can always fall back on the "its just a game" line.

[Deamon93]

 

I'm assuming that wargaming is focusing in a tree composed mostly by foreign blueprints.

 

The keyword is "mostly", because every single tech tree in this game has his paper ships, but the soviet BB tree would be almost ridiculous.

 

And there's no need to talk about the MAS, at least as long as they don't implement the torpedo boats trees.

But anyway, the russian heroes would be of course more "heroic" than ours

 

The Russian BB line won't have foreign blueprints. I could make a Russian BB line with only Gangut derived from foreign designs, although there would be holes to fill in(at tier III I'm aware of a BB comparable to the ones currently ingame but at tier V it would be more complicated).

 

Italy and France aren't that far away though as far as "blueprints requirement" is conserned

 

As I said history itself is nice and dandy but doesn't imply anything as far as implementation goes, I just took Rizzo as example.

[MungaH]

 

The Russian BB line won't have foreign blueprints. I could make a Russian BB line with only Gangut derived from foreign designs, although there would be holes to fill in(at tier III I'm aware of a BB comparable to the ones currently ingame but at tier V it would be more complicated).

 

Italy and France aren't that far away though as far as "blueprints requirement" is conserned

 

As I said history itself is nice and dandy but doesn't imply anything as far as implementation goes, I just took Rizzo as example.

 

Well, 7/10 BB from italian BB tree (considering that the hull of the Caracciolo was built) actually existed.

How many from the rusky line excluding the giulio cesare ofc ?

 

 

[Deamon93]

 

Well, 7/10 BB from italian BB tree (considering that the hull of the Caracciolo was built) actually existed.

How many from the rusky line excluding the giulio cesare ofc ?

 

 

 

Counting the tiers(so from III to X):

III)paper(Italy skipped the first generation even though an Italian designed the very first)

IV)built

V)built(assuming WG splits Conte di Cavour and Caio Duilio in two with the modernization at tier V) or paper(they could use designs developed before the choice of modernizing Conte di Cavour)

VI)unfinished

VII)paper

VIII)built

IX)paper

X)paper

 

That's 3/8 built, 1/8 unfinished and 4/8 paper in the best case scenario and 2/8 built, 1/8 finished and 5/8 paper in the worst case scenario. The Motherland should have one tier covered by built ship(IV with Gangut&co) and two unfinished(VI with Izmail and IX with Projekt 23) so 1/8 built, 2/8 finished and 5/8 paper. As you can see Italy is marginally better in the best case scenario while indifferent in the worst case scenario as far as number of papers in the line is concerned. That's a bit different than what you depicted.

[Syrchalis]

 

"Is there a carrier rework coming?" -GodofThunder2

Yep, in 2017.

 "2016 is going to be a great year for carriers".

 

Yeah I believe it when I see it WG. You and your promises.

[Loran_Battle]

 "2016 is going to be a great year for carriers".

 

Yeah I believe it when I see it WG. You and your promises.

 

Litterally what I thought when I saw that. oh, WG... you so silly.

 

Also, do Russians really think they are the best at everything? Then again I see a lot of nationalities saying their country was the best. Ah well, guess we will also get a full Russian CV line eventually .

 Before the RN CV line obviously .

 

Regarding Karma... hmm, I have always been opposed to the whole karma system. It is too easy to get karma if you are in a clan or group. Even division can do it if you want. Die, go out of battle, leave division, wait till battle is over. +1 division mates. Join division again. Just an example... From the other side, you get reported for being a good player quite often. Delete someone in 1 volley? byebye karma. Detonate someone? gone karma.

 Even though I have 57 karma myself. Though some padding is applied by meeting forumites in battle...

 

Gib italian and french lines! And Commonwealth... and adding lines to existing nations... we will have a few years of lines to look forward to hopefully.

[CaptainThunderWalker]

 

 

Also, do Russians really think they are the best at everything? Then again I see a lot of nationalities saying their country was the best. Ah well, guess we will also get a full Russian CV line eventua

 

Hehe.... yeah, this goes for most countries I guess.

 

Many people like to think their countries are superior. Or their religion for that matter. That is part of why the First World War was fought. And in the summer of 1914 the generals said "Soldiers, you'll be back home at Christmas." We all know how that went.

 

No country is the best, nor the worst. We are all humans.

 

For me, the most important is - which lines, which ships, would truly add something to the game?

 

Tbh, I wouldn't mind paper ships at all, or even an ingame shipbuilder based on the technology one has unlocked. If I had to make World of Warships I would probably eschew Nations completely, - instead you unlock various hulls, engines (more speed), armanament (primary, secondary, AA, torpedoes), utility (smokescreens, radar, etc) as you go op and gain experience) and so on. Balance would be much more realistic, but the decisive ships would be very expensive to maintain (you can't play 20 games in a row in a battleship without ending up totally broke and CVs would be even worse). But you have to build your own ship - sure you could base them on RL equalivents but you can also make your own ships with unique layouts...

[creamgravy]

Counting the tiers(so from III to X):

 

Italy have the most important bases covered. Famous dreadnoughts and fast treaty battleships.

[Spellfire40]

 

offtopic but.... 

30+ karma is not terrible i would bet its well above average 

 

the main Problem with karma is to get points you have to get noticed directly. How often do you see someone doing a awesome carry when your focused on your own play.

 

Neg karma is given when you expirience something bad be it real or otherwise. Being deleted,  your CV got sniped of course he lost the game for your team,someone of your team survived alone... must be a coward no matter how well he did....All this sometimes on the recomention of someone who yoloed ahead and got killed early.

 

Good deeds do not cancel that out.

 

[Takeda92]

 

Useless discussion by a not-so-unbiased youtuber. I'd hate to be represented as a player by these guys.

[Takru]

 

Useless discussion by a not-so-unbiased youtuber. I'd hate to be represented as a player by these guys.

 

To be honest, I hardly understood anything for the first minute or so and didn't continue to watch it. Thought it might be interesting enough for others and was hoping for a TL;DR(L).

[Takeda92]

 

To be honest, I hardly understood anything for the first minute or so and didn't continue to watch it. Thought it might be interesting enough for others and was hoping for a TL;DR(L).

 

I don't know what to TL;DR since it was all about these players trying to give balancing ideas to the devs, and pointing them to some problems with the game.

 

One of these ideas was to let CV planes fly way high that they can't be touched by AA. Ideas that are very abstract and not deeply thought out of.

 

They mainly talked about CVs and AAs (to the point the devs just refused to talk anything about them anymore), briefly about captain skills (which S_O said, "everyone have seen the leaks!"), about USN cruisers which he said that only Pensacola and Baltimore are struggling, and lastly, they were talking about HE which I don't even understand why they mentioned that out of all things in this game. They said it was too simplistic and proposed some idiotic mechanics (that basically are just a nerf) and in the end, their "unbiased" plans were revealed when they mentioned Zao. 

 

S_O wasn't willing to share a lot of information about future game development, he was mostly just listening (he couldn't even keep eye contact, and Dasha got so bored she left halfway through). He did say one thing when ARP/High School Fleet event was mentioned: in the future, they will be done through the campaigns system.

[CaptainThunderWalker]

Dasha looked like she wanted to facepalm at all the stupid suggestions she heard. No wonder she left early.

 

Behind the screen, I had no such reservations. I facepalmed. More than once.

 

 

[Takru]

Dasha looked like she wanted to facepalm at all the stupid suggestions she heard. No wonder she left early.

 

I have no idea how much she really is involved in the game, but having her facepalm would make for an epic meme.

[Babykim]

 

I have no idea how much she really is involved in the game, but having her facepalm would make for an epic meme.

 

Dasha does not hang around with nerds.

[ilhilh]

Dasha looking bored was still the best thing about that video.  Some of those suggestions were ridiculous.  I gave up watching after she went.

 

EDIT: "Hey let's make planes fly out of range of AA above ships #lolz" 

[Takru]

 

Dasha does not hang around with nerds.

 

Well, she was sitting next to Quemapueblos and Sub_Octavian, so there's that

[mtm78]

 

Well, she was sitting next to Quemapueblos and Sub_Octavian, so there's that

 

I guess someone somewhere will read that and go like: ow god, there is still hope

[Takru]

 

I guess someone somewhere will read that and go like: ow god, there is still hope

 

[Earl_of_Northesk]

 

I guess someone somewhere will read that and go like: ow god, there is still hope

 

Why was she even there? And what kind of event was that?

[JapLance]

 

 

How the hell did you hack my webcam????

[Akula971]

Poor Dasha, dragged around events, surrounded by nerds, talking about a game, in a language she hardly understands, bet they can't wait to get back to Russia LOL.