Discussion thread for "some interesting info around the world"

[invicta2012]

8 minutes ago, loppantorkel said:

What's special about it?

It's a notable historic ship, an extremely tough battlecruiser and would probably be very competitive and fun to play?  These are good reasons for it to be included over Paper Designs.... but as it's not high tier, it's a long way down the priority list.

[loppantorkel]

32 minutes ago, invicta2012 said:

It's a notable historic ship, an extremely tough battlecruiser and would probably be very competitive and fun to play?  These are good reasons for it to be included over Paper Designs.... but as it's not high tier, it's a long way down the priority list.

plus people might believe derflinger is a papership just based on the name. ..or so I've heard...

[Aragathor]

29 minutes ago, loppantorkel said:

plus people might believe derflinger is a papership just based on the name. ..or so I've heard...

Sadly the other names of ships of that class are, how to say it, unfortunate:

-Lützow

-Hindenburg

 

Sadly, we haven't been very creative with names of ships...

 

But BTW I'd love to see battlecruisers, both British and German, from SMS Von der Tann and HMS Invincible in the game.

[Major_Damage225]

16 minutes ago, Aragathor said:

Von der Tann and HMS Invincible in the game.

Aaaand dont forget SMS Blücher. 

 

I'd love this beauty in game. 

Hear that WG, add it or riot! 

[1MajorKoenig]

3 hours ago, loppantorkel said:

I had to google it to see if it was real or some joke I didn't get..

What's special about it?

 

You wat mate???

 

 

In case your google search didn’t bring it up:

 

Derfflinger - after retiring Lützow - led the attack of the Battlecruiser squadron against the whole Grand Fleet. This daring attack gave the High Seas Fleet the needed time to turn in another “Gefechtskehrtwende“ (which is a 180 degree turn) and probably saved the fleet.

 

This daring attack is commonly known as the „Battlecruisers‘ death ride“. 

 

As the leading ship she got plenty of attention. Some bon-mot about her:

 

This stubbornness to keep on fighting even though completely outmatched, outclassed and outgunned caused the British to honour her by giving Derfflinger the nickname "Iron Dog". In all she was hit at least 21 times by large caliber rounds: 10x15", 1x13.5" and 10x12".

[NothingButTheRain]

19 minutes ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

 

You wat mate???

 

 

In case your google search didn’t bring it up:

 

Derfflinger - after retiring Lützow - led the attack of the Battlecruiser squadron against the whole Grand Fleet. This daring attack gave the High Seas Fleet the needed time to turn in another “Gefechtskehrtwende“ (which is a 180 degree turn) and probably saved the fleet.

 

This daring attack is commonly known as the „Battlecruisers‘ death ride“. 

 

As the leading ship she got plenty of attention. Some bon-mot about her:

 

This stubbornness to keep on fighting even though completely outmatched, outclassed and outgunned caused the British to honour her by giving Derfflinger the nickname "Iron Dog". In all she was hit at least 21 times by large caliber rounds: 10x15", 1x13.5" and 10x12".

and she survived! 

And I hope they won't mess her up like they did the PEF 

 

And she is a beautiful ship 

[Major_Damage225]

30 minutes ago, NothingButTheRain said:

And I hope they won't mess her up like they did the PEF

I hope just aswell, seing PeF "modernised" and a probobal fantasy modernisation of VU (bdw if Szent Istvan makes it into game in anything other as she was ima loose it), Bayern fantasy version, for once i'd love to see a old school look of these beauties. 

For papaer projects ok, have at it, for real ships, leavem as they were, screw the "balance" exuse. 

[1MajorKoenig]

4 hours ago, Major_Damage225 said:

I hope just aswell, seing PeF "modernised" and a probobal fantasy modernisation of VU (bdw if Szent Istvan makes it into game in anything other as she was ima loose it), Bayern fantasy version, for once i'd love to see a old school look of these beauties. 

For papaer projects ok, have at it, for real ships, leavem as they were, screw the "balance" exuse. 

 

+1 

 

Amen dude 

[DFens_666]

15 hours ago, Aragathor said:

Just wait for the IFHE nerf. Most premium midtier cruisers will be dead from this change.

 

Even more so if WG "fixes" MM so that T8 is toptier more often. GG WG?

[ImperialAdmiral]

 

[CptBarney]

15 hours ago, Aragathor said:

Sadly the other names of ships of that class are, how to say it, unfortunate:

-Lützow

-Hindenburg

 

Sadly, we haven't been very creative with names of ships...

 

But BTW I'd love to see battlecruisers, both British and German, from SMS Von der Tann and HMS Invincible in the game.

maybe even french BC's as well, pretty memey bunch since they would of had quad turrets and quite big calibers for BC's

 

(i know they didn't exist but hey at least they got designs down and finalised, i wouldn't mind seeing a BC class).

 

 

4 minutes ago, ImperialAdmiral said:

 

[Major_Damage225]

14 minutes ago, ImperialAdmiral said:

 

Soo, US, German and Russian subs are incoming. 

30 knots speed (dosent surprise me) XD lol

The way im seeing them now, playwise theyr a litle stealthier then DD's, so playwise, sneak around, just befpre detected you submerge, get close, fire fish, slip under target, surface when out od dect range. 

[Admiral_H_Nelson]

23 hours ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

 

If they would release SMS Derfflinger I would be playing T5 all day every day 

For me, SMS Seydlitz - The Warrior!

[Bellegar]

21 hours ago, Major_Damage225 said:

Aaaand dont forget SMS Blücher. 

 

I'd love this beauty in game. 

Hear that WG, add it or riot! 

 

19 hours ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

 

You wat mate???

 

 

In case your google search didn’t bring it up:

 

Derfflinger - after retiring Lützow - led the attack of the Battlecruiser squadron against the whole Grand Fleet. This daring attack gave the High Seas Fleet the needed time to turn in another “Gefechtskehrtwende“ (which is a 180 degree turn) and probably saved the fleet.

 

This daring attack is commonly known as the „Battlecruisers‘ death ride“. 

 

As the leading ship she got plenty of attention. Some bon-mot about her:

 

This stubbornness to keep on fighting even though completely outmatched, outclassed and outgunned caused the British to honour her by giving Derfflinger the nickname "Iron Dog". In all she was hit at least 21 times by large caliber rounds: 10x15", 1x13.5" and 10x12".

 

30 minutes ago, Admiral_H_Nelson said:

For me, SMS Seydlitz - The Warrior!

 

Can they be balanced at T9 or T10?

 

I fully agree with all of you, but keep on dreaming guys, WG is not interested in those tiers. They barely acknowledge they exist nowadays

We can't have low/mid tier premiums, people would start playing those tiers. Can't have that, that would make glorious NTC obsolete

[1MajorKoenig]

7 hours ago, ImperialAdmiral said:

 

 

No sh*it Sherlock they really continue this tier 6, 8, 10... holy cow that is a lazy and freaking bad idea.

 

@MrConway - you dudes forgot my Imperial U-19 sub 

 

In case there are no sekrit Archive Records: it’s The first Diesel sub class and it’s plain awesome

 

Tier 6,8,10 was a terrible idea for carriers and is a bad idea for subs as well 

[El2aZeR]

LOL that health pool.

A single well placed rocket salvo can take them out.

[ImperialAdmiral]

I mean my opinion is that even if mechanics where kinda fun during the event...

 

#saynotosubmarines

 

Wanna play subs? Play Silent Hunter. Simple as this.

[Major_Damage225]

1 hour ago, Bellegar said:

fully agree with all of you, but keep on dreaming guys, WG is not interested in those tiers

Its sad really, there is potential at those tiers, im sure hundreds of ideas were made for low tiers but yeah, WG is as blind as a potato unfortunatly. 

1 hour ago, El2aZeR said:

LOL that health pool.

A single well placed rocket salvo can take them out.

For you, one rocket would be enough 

[josykay]

Just give us battlecruisers, not submarines. Also... russian submarines? Really?

Sinking fishing boats... and  missing ships. Good resume.

 

Meanwhile we begin at Tier 6 and WW2, and unnatural speed. Also that means, SM U-21 is missing. 35.000 tons in warships, 80.000 tons in merchant vessels.

Including 2 battleships, 1 armored cruiser, 1 scoutcruiser, 1 Auxillary cruiser. The captain was called "Destroyer of warships" for a reason.

[Robber_Baron]

Well, it was a Russian sub that caused the greatest human loss in a single shipwreck ever.

 

I hope they'll add Dutch subs at some point. But one of the leading countries in submarine design, so I guess it will take a while.

 

Or no subs at all. I think I prefer that.

[TeaAndTorps]

On 8/17/2019 at 7:16 PM, Aragathor said:

Just wait for the IFHE nerf. Most premium midtier cruisers will be dead from this change.

 

20 hours ago, DFens_666 said:

 

Even more so if WG "fixes" MM so that T8 is toptier more often. GG WG?

On this note, this seems as good a place as any to apologise in advance if anyone sees me making an idiot of myself in my brand new Helena over the next couple of weeks. I'd prefer to stick to T6 for longer, but want that grind done before the IFHE changes as much as possible. I promise I won't continue if it's going disastrously.

 

It's one of the ships I've been most looking forward to playing, with its history and sheer firepower, but hey ho I guess Cleveland has those too (I really will wait a while before starting to play her though).

[TeaAndTorps]

A random thought which has just occurred to me, and which I'll be *interested* to see WG's eventual concept for: I wonder how mounting signals and flags will work on a submerged sub? 

 

Edit: has also just occurred to me that maybe I would know if I'd played the Halloween event. Oops. 

[Panocek]

10 minutes ago, 10ThousandThings said:

A random thought which has just occurred to me, and which I'll be *interested* to see WG's eventual concept for: I wonder how mounting signals and flags will work on a submerged sub? 

 

Edit: has also just occurred to me that maybe I would know if I'd played the Halloween event. Oops. 

They won't, so you will be subjected to fun and engaging mechanics, while you also won't be able to powergrind your way through with stockpiled rare signals

And IIRC Halloween subs had no "external customization" tab, so no signals either

[Amon_ITA]

7 hours ago, Robber_Baron said:

Well, it was a Russian sub that caused the greatest human loss in a single shipwreck ever.

 

From wikipedia:

 

MV Wilhelm Gustloff was a German cruise ship converted into an armed hospital ship and which while functioning as a military transport ship was sunk on 30 January 1945 by Soviet submarine S-13 in the Baltic Sea while evacuating German civilians, German officials, refugees from Prussia, Lithuania, Latvia, Poland, Estonia and Croatia^[3] and military personnel from Gotenhafen (Gdynia) as the Red Army advanced. By one estimate,^[4][5] 9,400 people died, which makes it the largest loss of life in a single ship sinking in history.

[Historynerd]

So... interesting tidbit from Gamescom, I'd say.

 

Spoiler

 

...

...If I were to take a guess, all of you guys will react with, "Who?" 

So, let's see who is the guy WG chose as the Italian legendary commander.

Luigi Sansonetti (1888 - 1959) may not be well known, even to those who are interested in the naval war in the Mediterranean, however his figure is far from unimportant. Starting the war in 1940 as Ammiraglio di Divisione (Rear Admiral), he commanded the 7a Divisione (two Montecuccoli-type light cruisers), with which he participated in the Battle of Punta Stilo (off Calabria), before he was promoted to command the 3a Divisione (the two Trento-class and the Bolzano heavy cruisers), which he led in the unsuccessful search for Force H after Operation Grog (the bombardment of Genoa), the Battle of Cape Teulada and the Operazione Gaudo (which culminated in the tragic Matapan night). In July 1941 he replaced Inigo Campioni as Deputy Chief of Staff of the Regia Marina (basically its operative commander), improving communications between the high command and the admirals at sea. He fulfilled this role for two years, organizing the Regia Marina's continuous campaign to keep the supply lines to North Africa open and the opposition to similar British efforts (Vincent O'Hara praises its organization skills in the contrast to Operations Vigorous and Harpoon). When the Italian Armistice was made public on 8 September 1943, he remained in Rome when the Chief of Staff (Admiral Raffaele de Courten) followed the King and the government south, continuing to issue orders to ships and commands; after Rome was captured by German forces, he ordered his officers to cease activities, and went to Southern Italy on foot to resume his duties there. In April 1944 he took the role of President of the Consiglio Superiore della Marina, which he kept till 1951.

 

...So, that being said...

While this is not quite the "fighting admiral" (like Alberto Da Zara, Inigo Campioni or Carlo Bergamini) I thought the Italians might get, it's still quite an interesting figure, an interesting blend of a sea-dog (as far as I know, his commands at sea weren't particularly glorious, but neither were they censurable) and a first-rate organizer (while much criticism has been levelled at Supermarina, the RM's operational command in wartime, after improvements it didn't work too badly).

 

I would like to add a further anedocte about him. After the destruction of the Duisburg convoy, the Kriegsmarine liaison to the RM command (admiral Eberhard Weichold) went to Sansonetti and criticized how the Italians went about doing their things. His criticism was on point and correct. Sansonetti told him that he was ready to immediately implement any and all suggestion and advice Weichold could give him, if based on the current availability of forces and resources. Strangely, Weichold at this point wasn't able to say anything constructive...