Discussion thread for "some interesting info around the world"

[loppantorkel]

23 minutes ago, piet11111 said:

.... but because of that i expect Friesland to be delayed away from that release window.

Yea... aren't the Dutch dd without torps or am I misremembering..? Given the subs announcement, the Dutch dds might be destined as decent sub counters, and postponed a bit?

 

Maybe future Swedish dds may have a similar role?

[Bellegar]

21 minutes ago, piet11111 said:

For a flood of new premiums i sure have very dry feet because all of them seem stuck in development limbo.

 

Siegfried is almost certainly coming wednesday for the gamescomstream but because of that i expect Friesland to be delayed away from that release window.

I'm at Gamescom on Thursday. I promise I'll slap @MrConway if Friesland's not released at Gamescom

[Toivia]

As I pointed out in another thread a couple days back, there's currenty 10 T10 freemium/premium/special ships announced, 2 T9 and with Poltava 9 on T8 or lower that aren't released yet.

 

In other words, just T10 ships outnumber all of T2-T8 premiums. Guess why people might not play lower and mid tiers without the NTC (and honestly, won't play those tiers even with NTC if FreeXP can be used).

[loppantorkel]

5 minutes ago, Toivia said:

In other words, just T10 ships outnumber all of T2-T8 premiums. Guess why people might not play lower and mid tiers without the NTC (and honestly, won't play those tiers even with NTC if FreeXP can be used).

Why?

[piet11111]

3 minutes ago, loppantorkel said:

Yea... aren't the Dutch dd without torps or am I misremembering..? Given the subs announcement, the Dutch dds might be destined as decent sub counters, and postponed a bit?

 

Maybe future Swedish dds may have a similar role?

 

Yes it does not have torpedo's but all DD's will be submarine hunters so i personally do not see why Friesland would need to be delayed for it as the submarine warfare stuff can be added on later.

5 minutes ago, Bellegar said:

I'm at Gamescom on Thursday. I promise I'll slap @MrConway if Friesland's not released at Gamescom

 

Lol Gamescom is always a german themed release of something so its 95% certain to be Siegfried especially since its picture is included in the gamescom article.

Also Mrconway does not set the release schedules of the premium ships.

[Bellegar]

7 minutes ago, Toivia said:

As I pointed out in another thread a couple days back, there's currenty 10 T10 freemium/premium/special ships announced, 2 T9 and with Poltava 9 on T8 or lower that aren't released yet.

 

In other words, just T10 ships outnumber all of T2-T8 premiums. Guess why people might not play lower and mid tiers without the NTC (and honestly, won't play those tiers even with NTC if FreeXP can be used).

This is so on point you should get your PHD if you made this into a thesis

I don't get this company. It's just like @Exocet6951 said, they say one thing, they do the complete opposite. "we want players to play more low tiers." while at the same time "we completely ignore low tiers and only release T9 and T10 premiums"

 

2 minutes ago, piet11111 said:

Also Mrconway does not set the release schedules of the premium ships.

Well I have to slap someone

I want my Friesland!

 

Of course we'll get Siegfried, they've always released German stuff at Gamescom, but idunno, no reason to not also release Friesland. Especially since they cost different resources and were announced at the same time.

[josykay]

46 minutes ago, piet11111 said:

 

Yes it does not have torpedo's but all DD's will be submarine hunters so i personally do not see why Friesland would need to be delayed for it as the submarine warfare stuff can be added on later.

 

Lol Gamescom is always a german themed release of something so its 95% certain to be Siegfried especially since its picture is included in the gamescom article.

Also Mrconway does not set the release schedules of the premium ships.

I always thought, the picture is Bismarck, because Siegfried does not have staggered secondaries, and the second radar... Or did WG change Siegfried's model at some time?

[piet11111]

13 minutes ago, josykay said:

I always thought, the picture is Bismarck, because Siegfried does not have staggered secondaries, and the second radar... Or did WG change Siegfried's model at some time?

 

You could be right i just assume its Siegfried.

[josykay]

2 minutes ago, piet11111 said:

 

You could be right i just assume its Siegfried.

Maybe. But I still think, that Siegfried will be announced, since the only other test ship, Viribus Unitis, will, according to WG be placed in the Pan Europe tree, once said nation is established ingame.

Otherwise no other german ships are datamined or announced....

[loppantorkel]

1 hour ago, Bellegar said:

Well I have to slap someone

I believe Dasha will be there, just be sure you've done all things you want to do at Gamescom before you try it.

[Toivia]

2 hours ago, loppantorkel said:

Why?

Well, assuming you're not memeing...

Almost all focus is on high tiers, T9-10. Any semblance on competitive was always T8 or higher. With the advent of T9 Freemium ships and their subsequent sale directy in the premium shop, development focus shifted to producing loads of T9-T10 ships all but abandoning lower tiers (the only low tier premiums recently released - Hill and Siroco - were event rewards primarily nd others shelved for months on end - Leone, Viribus Unitis while Yuudachi is stuck in development hell).

And sadly WG's efforts were not in vain. With every new silver line announcement, I unfortunately observe even CCs jump straight to high tier ships' stats and almost fully ignore low and mid tier.

The result is a wicked circle of players more and more interested in high tiers and WG catering to them more and more by releasing more and more of those via new monetisation methods.

[CptBarney]

32 minutes ago, Toivia said:

Well, assuming you're not memeing...

Almost all focus is on high tiers, T9-10. Any semblance on competitive was always T8 or higher. With the advent of T9 Freemium ships and their subsequent sale directy in the premium shop, development focus shifted to producing loads of T9-T10 ships all but abandoning lower tiers (the only low tier premiums recently released - Hill and Siroco - were event rewards primarily nd others shelved for months on end - Leone, Viribus Unitis while Yuudachi is stuck in development hell).

And sadly WG's efforts were not in vain. With every new silver line announcement, I unfortunately observe even CCs jump straight to high tier ships' stats and almost fully ignore low and mid tier.

The result is a wicked circle of players more and more interested in high tiers and WG catering to them more and more by releasing more and more of those via new monetisation methods.

yeah noticed a lot of mid tier low tier premiums baring a few 'speshul' ones being lackluster or well balanced but everything else around them has at least 2 things better than said ship making them somewhat pointless on arrival.

 

sad really, poi seems forever ded, california might not get the buffs she needs and the rest i can't remember.

 

also with those premium numbers is that ships we havent seen yet at all or ones they have only recently released?

[loppantorkel]

52 minutes ago, Toivia said:

Well, assuming you're not memeing...

Almost all focus is on high tiers, T9-10. Any semblance on competitive was always T8 or higher. With the advent of T9 Freemium ships and their subsequent sale directy in the premium shop, development focus shifted to producing loads of T9-T10 ships all but abandoning lower tiers (the only low tier premiums recently released - Hill and Siroco - were event rewards primarily nd others shelved for months on end - Leone, Viribus Unitis while Yuudachi is stuck in development hell).

And sadly WG's efforts were not in vain. With every new silver line announcement, I unfortunately observe even CCs jump straight to high tier ships' stats and almost fully ignore low and mid tier.

The result is a wicked circle of players more and more interested in high tiers and WG catering to them more and more by releasing more and more of those via new monetisation methods.

Well, I'm guessing they're doing what is popular among the players. I don't play any of my low tier premiums, I play some 5-7, but I suppose the high tier premium is what gathers most interest. I can't fault them for doing more work on high tier premiums. This does not negate their intention of getting more players into low-mid tiers. Premium ships for low-mid tier just doesn't do that.

[Toivia]

31 minutes ago, CptBarney said:

yeah noticed a lot of mid tier low tier premiums baring a few 'speshul' ones being lackluster or well balanced but everything else around them has at least 2 things better than said ship making them somewhat pointless on arrival.

 

sad really, poi seems forever ded, california might not get the buffs she needs and the rest i can't remember.

 

also with those premium numbers is that ships we havent seen yet at all or ones they have only recently released?

I tried counting only ships that 1) aren't obviously part of a tech tree (Slava and/or Thunderer might become pretty much tech tree ships, but also might not); 2) are announced (with a picture, stats, ...); 3) aren't released yet.

 

Off the top of my head:

T10: Hayate, Ohio, Colbert, Smolensk, Puerto Rico, Marceau, Slava, Thunderer, Paolo Emilio, Somers

T9: Siegfried, Friesland

T8: Indomitable, Poltava

T7: Yuudachi, California

T6-: Leone, Viribus Unitis, Yahagi (another forgotten one), Ark Royal, Genova

 

EDIT: Added those I had to look for in my archives in bold italic above. Becomes difficult to remember it all offhand.

[Major_Damage225]

12 minutes ago, Toivia said:

T6-: Leone, Viribus Unitis

VU was moved from T4 to T6? 

[DFens_666]

14 minutes ago, loppantorkel said:

Well, I'm guessing they're doing what is popular among the players. I don't play any of my low tier premiums, I play some 5-7, but I suppose the high tier premium is what gathers most interest. I can't fault them for doing more work on high tier premiums. This does not negate their intention of getting more players into low-mid tiers. Premium ships for low-mid tier just doesn't do that. 

 

WG is at fault for that aswell.

Hightier Premiums seem to perform better than silver ships quite often, while i dont think its the same on midtiers (or not so much). Recent midtier DD additions Siroco and Hill seem to be even worse (? from what ive heard) then f.e. Nicholas or Jaguar. While you have hightier Premiums which are more unique or straight up better than the competition (Musashi/Missouri/JB or BCs, which you dont have on midtiers, or they are BBs there).

At the same time, you earn MUCH more credits playing hightiers. Id say, a lot of players pick a hightier premium if they need money. If you account for more and more % Credit bonus on Camos and Flags, the difference gets even bigger.

 

If they really want to make midtiers more popular, they sure could. But playing hightiers gives WG more money

 

[loppantorkel]

21 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

 

WG is at fault for that aswell.

Hightier Premiums seem to perform better than silver ships quite often, while i dont think its the same on midtiers (or not so much). Recent midtier DD additions Siroco and Hill seem to be even worse (? from what ive heard) then f.e. Nicholas or Jaguar. While you have hightier Premiums which are more unique or straight up better than the competition (Musashi/Missouri/JB or BCs, which you dont have on midtiers, or they are BBs there).

At the same time, you earn MUCH more credits playing hightiers. Id say, a lot of players pick a hightier premium if they need money. If you account for more and more % Credit bonus on Camos and Flags, the difference gets even bigger.

 

If they really want to make midtiers more popular, they sure could. But playing hightiers gives WG more money

Well, there was Belfast, Cesare, Nicholas (the bb.. what's it called..?), Gremy, Fujin and Kami but making OP ships for mid tiers seems more inappropriate I guess.

Now you have Flint, could argue Atlanta (not by average stats it seems ), Arizona and Shinonome are doing quite well.

 

Other than Buorgogne and Stalingrad most ships seem quite well balanced.

For Ranked tier 9, most bbs and cruisers that perform better (not much though) are premiums, while silver dds perform better than their premium counterparts.

[Major_Damage225]

9 minutes ago, loppantorkel said:

Nicholas (the bb.. what's it called..?)

Imperator Nikolai I (T4), looks good with the troll rasputin cammo. 

[Bellegar]

49 minutes ago, Toivia said:

I tried counting only ships that 1) aren't obviously part of a tech tree (Slava and/or Thunderer might become pretty much tech tree ships, but also might not); 2) are announced (with a picture, stats, ...); 3) aren't released yet.

 

Off the top of my head:

T10: Hayate, Ohio, Colbert, Smolensk, Puerto Rico, Marceau, Slava, Thunderer, Paolo Emilio, Somers

T9: Siegfried, Friesland

T8: Indomitable, Poltava

T7: Yuudachi, California

T6-: Leone, Viribus Unitis, Yahagi (another forgotten one), Ark Royal, Genova

 

EDIT: Added those I had to look for in my archives in bold italic above. Becomes difficult to remember it all offhand.

Isn't Veribus Unitis T5?

I seem to remember them testing it at T4, it was OP and they moved it to T5.

Or I'm wrong and they put it at T6, but that seems a stretch, even for WG's sledgehammer balancing

[DFens_666]

6 minutes ago, loppantorkel said:

Well, there was Belfast, Cesare, Nicholas, Gremy, Fujin and Kami but making OP ships for mid tiers seems more inappropriate I guess.

Now you have Flint, could argue Atlanta (not by average stats it seems ), Arizona and Shinonome are doing quite well. 

 

Other than Buorgogne and Stalingrad most ships seem quite well balanced.

For Ranked tier 9, most bbs and cruisers that perform better (not much though) are premiums, while silver dds perform better than their premium counterparts.

 

Ofc they shouldnt make OP premiums. But having no incentive to play midtier premiums? Feels kinda weird aswell. Ontop of having shitty MM (T5) and potentially more shitty MM with next patch when they "fix" MM (T6+7). While making it easier for T8, so T8 premiums might become more interesting again.

 

So if WG makes midtier premiums, they either are OP (and bad for the game), or more on the balanced side, then only few people like to play them. Recently, i did grind through the Pyotr on T5 (if you can call 12 games a grind) which made my division mates play ships like GC and Kamikaze (and Murmansk a couple of times IIRC). Sometimes we do those 3x sealclubbing divisions with GC, Kamikaze and i usually take Murmansk or Marblehead Ofc the reason is to have a fun time, and not get frustrated playing hightiers, where you do half a million damage with your division and you barely win or still lose. Atleast on low-midtiers you can carry.

 

From my point, i think Musashi is totaly OP for its tier. Missouri also used to be strong, but i think its not OP (probably never were). JB is decent id say. Alaska also very strong imo.

In Musashi i get 30-40% more damage than my other T9 BBs, even have higher damage than my GK. Alaska also outperforms my T9 Cruisers by 15-25% Kronshtadt being close behind Alaska, while i believe Alaska is the stronger ship. Stalingrad is a strong ship, but not much fun to play (for me, but also many others agree). My other T10 Cruisers are more fun or even outperform Stalingrad.

[loppantorkel]

12 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

 

Ofc they shouldnt make OP premiums. But having no incentive to play midtier premiums? Feels kinda weird aswell. Ontop of having shitty MM (T5) and potentially more shitty MM with next patch when they "fix" MM (T6+7). While making it easier for T8, so T8 premiums might become more interesting again.

 

So if WG makes midtier premiums, they either are OP (and bad for the game), or more on the balanced side, then only few people like to play them. Recently, i did grind through the Pyotr on T5 (if you can call 12 games a grind) which made my division mates play ships like GC and Kamikaze (and Murmansk a couple of times IIRC). Sometimes we do those 3x sealclubbing divisions with GC, Kamikaze and i usually take Murmansk or Marblehead Ofc the reason is to have a fun time, and not get frustrated playing hightiers, where you do half a million damage with your division and you barely win or still lose. Atleast on low-midtiers you can carry.

 

From my point, i think Musashi is totaly OP for its tier. Missouri also used to be strong, but i think its not OP (probably never were). JB is decent id say. Alaska also very strong imo.

In Musashi i get 30-40% more damage than my other T9 BBs, even have higher damage than my GK. Alaska also outperforms my T9 Cruisers by 15-25% Kronshtadt being close behind Alaska, while i believe Alaska is the stronger ship. Stalingrad is a strong ship, but not much fun to play (for me, but also many others agree). My other T10 Cruisers are more fun or even outperform Stalingrad.

WG often do these kind of extra missions that require a specific premium ship to finish. I just found that one for Siroco and I'm playing it now. It's a decent time killer with an objective. I think there needs to be some perspective on what WG does and how much we can expect of them. There are incentives to play mid tiers, but I think it usually comes down to the individual preference of the player. WG can't force it.

 

 

Edit: Siroco seems quite a bit weaker than Jaguar atm, but it can be buffed.

[Aragathor]

2 hours ago, DFens_666 said:

But having no incentive to play midtier premiums?

Just wait for the IFHE nerf. Most premium midtier cruisers will be dead from this change.

[1MajorKoenig]

2 hours ago, loppantorkel said:

WG often do these kind of extra missions that require a specific premium ship to finish. I just found that one for Siroco and I'm playing it now. It's a decent time killer with an objective. I think there needs to be some perspective on what WG does and how much we can expect of them. There are incentives to play mid tiers, but I think it usually comes down to the individual preference of the player. WG can't force it.

 

 

Edit: Siroco seems quite a bit weaker than Jaguar atm, but it can be buffed.

 

If they would release SMS Derfflinger I would be playing T5 all day every day 

[Toivia]

4 hours ago, Major_Damage225 said:

VU was moved from T4 to T6? 

 

3 hours ago, Bellegar said:

Isn't Veribus Unitis T5?

I seem to remember them testing it at T4, it was OP and they moved it to T5.

Or I'm wrong and they put it at T6, but that seems a stretch, even for WG's sledgehammer balancing

Ok, my bad, I thought "T6-" would be understandable as "T6 and lower", apparently I was wrong.

 Last I heard, Ark Royal and Leone were T6, Yahagi and Viribus Unitis were T5.

[loppantorkel]

39 minutes ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

 

If they would release SMS Derfflinger I would be playing T5 all day every day 

I had to google it to see if it was real or some joke I didn't get..

What's special about it?