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[Panocek]

36 minutes ago, loppantorkel said:

I'm starting to understand why WG held out for so long before attempting to introduce an Italian line.

After all, you can't just shove pizza into microwave and set it at 2min to make it ready

[Chaos_Umbra]

3 minutes ago, Panocek said:

After all, you can't just shove pizza into microwave and set it at 2min to make it ready

But you can with a pre-prepared Spaghetti Carbonara, well not 2 minutes but 4 minutes 

[22cm]

How will that long salami turn at high speeds?! 

[SparvieroVV]

52 minutes ago, Chaos_Umbra said:

But you can with a pre-prepared Spaghetti Carbonara, well not 2 minutes but 4 minutes 

[Gorenor]

4 hours ago, BruceRKF said:

They should rethink the names of the high tier cruisers. Yes, other heavy cruisers are named after cities, but those were cities redeemed after World War I and not some random well known Italian cities.

 

Why not other cities (smaller than the Zara) like Pordenone and Udine ...At least they got more sense ! i've taken the idea from this  link

[SparvieroVV]

5 minutes ago, Gorenor said:

 

Why not other cities (smaller than the Zara) like Pordenone and Udine ...At least they got more sense !

Neither Pordenone or Udine were redeemed cities. 

[Gorenor]

Just now, SparvieroVV said:

Neither Pordenone or Udine were redeemed cities. 

Yeah not form WWI , but from 1866 after the establishment of Kingdom of Italy in 1861, so technically they weren't in Italy at the foundation of the Kingdom and they belong to the Austro Hungaric Empire

[SparvieroVV]

22 minutes ago, Gorenor said:

Yeah not form WWI , but from 1866 after the establishment of Kingdom of Italy in 1861, so technically they weren't in Italy at the foundation of the Kingdom and they belong to the Austro Hungaric Empire

From the third war of independence considered part of the creation of the country over time not just one magical date and you are in and any time after that you don't count. They were included during the Risorgimento. Irredentism is defined as after these wars. Pordenone is like what 50k people? Udine not much more. I get it one of the contributors got an idea to name the Ansaldo big cruiser Pordenone however neither city is better than Milano, Torino and Verona. Which one could argue, very poorly like I am don't take me seriously, are a bit of fan service to the community at least.

 

As I discussed with @Historynerd on reddit. The redeemed cities is not really a theme that should be carried on. Important battles from the wars of independence, Garibaldi and others that cruisers were historically named after, even regions. Sure. And I'll admit I'm biased towards Verona at tier VIII it doesn't seem to bad at this point. I would have preferred maybe the first series Super Washington look with 4 x 2 203/53 or a Super Zara since we were denied Zara but ehhh.

[Gorenor]

4 minutes ago, SparvieroVV said:

From the third war of independence considered part of the creation of the country over time not just one magical date and you are in and any time after that you don't count. They were included during the Risorgimento. Irredentism is defined as after these wars. Pordenone is like what 50k people? Udine not much more. I get it one of the contributors got an idea to name the Ansaldo big cruiser Pordenone however neither city is better than Milano, Torino and Verona. Which one could argue, very poorly like I am don't take me seriously, are a bit of fan service to the community at least.

 

As I discussed with @Historynerd on reddit. The redeemed cities is not really a theme that should be carried on. Important battles from the wars of independence, Garibaldi and others that cruisers were historically named after, even regions. Sure. And I'll admit I'm biased towards Verona at tier VIII it doesn't seem to bad at this point. I would have preferred maybe the first series Super Washington look with 4 x 2 203/53 or a Super Zara since we were denied Zara but ehhh.

Thank you a lot for the enlightment of this topic.

 

But Milano , Torino and Verona sounds painfull.... Udine and Pordenone less.

 

Just 1 thing more why not Lepanto ando or Legnano? Garibaldi is alredy sisteships of Duca degli Abruzzi, (so maybe out of question)

[SparvieroVV]

3 hours ago, Gorenor said:

But Milano , Torino and Verona sounds painfull.... Udine and Pordenone less.

How are they painful in this context? A CC  read a list of names from Friuli Venezia Giulia and sorted by population to attach names to his proposed tech tree. Replacing any of the already given names with Udine and Pordenone would be even more outrageous in reality.

 

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I'm all for more inspired names. However if it is gonna be a ho hum name give me Verona. 

[Yedwy]

I wouldnt count on the names beeing final at least not for paper ships

[Toivia]

11 hours ago, VIadoCro said:

So is Missouri? It can shoot through its flared bow.

It actually can't. Quite a pain if you are brawing with it. In fact most BBs can't really shoot directly forward at enemies well within 1km because of more or less tall bows in front of the turrets.

 

Either way, those italian cruisers look good (visually). Stats are unknown still, SAP, their moving smoke etc. are still work in progress, so all I can comment on is that Milano looks as large as Moskva. I wouldn't be surprised with 60k+ hp.

[SparvieroVV]

8 hours ago, Yedwy said:

I wouldnt count on the names beeing final at least not for paper ships

Which I'm absolutely fine with. The point I was trying to make is replacing one set of names with a set of names that strikes your fancy isn't a valid choice. imoo. Especially when you are just pushing names that someone lazy crafted.

 

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http://shipcomrade.com/?p=1129

Tier	CL	CA	Prem.
1	Eritrea Colonial Sloop
2	Nino Bixio		Quarto (CL)
3	Esploratori		San Giorgio (CA)
4	Giussano / Luigi Cadorna		Etna (CL) / OTO Scout Cruiser (CL)
5	Raimundo Montecuccoli		Trento (CA)
6	Giuseppe Garibaldi		Duca d’Aosta (CL)
7		Zara	Bolzano (CA)
8		Super Zara	Ansaldo for Spain (CL)
9		Pordenone
10		Udine

 

 

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Now to be completely tongue in cheek I've also gone to pains to say I'm completely biased that if Lesta is going to name the tier VIII Verona 

 

 

Take away Verona for another silly choice?

 

 

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Please choose names that make Historynerd happy. Just use the maritime republics that suck to name the tier IX and X. Venezia deserves to be on a ship that actually sparks joy. 

[CptBarney]

Too be honest the names will be changed anyways but some italian ships were named after cities anyways, one was named after a city thats not even in italy (fiume). Some like bari had no influence in ww1

 

At least its not another boring 3x3 turret layout might actually be worth going down the line.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_battleship_Regina_Margherita

 

also when this is named after a bloody pizza...then i think the names after italian cities that cultural significanse is not a bad thing at all.

 

[invicta2012]

The pizza is named after the Royal who ordered it:  

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margherita_of_Savoy

 

... and naming ships Royal something is hardly unusual! 

[Historynerd]

36 minutes ago, CptBarney said:

Too be honest the names will be changed anyways but some italian ships were named after cities anyways, one was named after a city thats not even in italy (fiume). Some like bari had no influence in ww1

 

At least its not another boring 3x3 turret layout might actually be worth going down the line.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_battleship_Regina_Margherita

 

also when this is named after a bloody pizza...then i think the names after italian cities that cultural significanse is not a bad thing at all.

 

Fiume back then was part of Italy, after a rather complicated situation. The situation changed later.

Bari, although not to the same degree as Brindisi, was one of the harbours that the Regia Marina used quite heavily in the Great War. Giving its name to a cruiser acquired after the war was a nice gesture.

 

Well, good thing then that the Regina Margherita was in good company, like that of HMS Black Prince...

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[CptBarney]

16 minutes ago, Historynerd said:

Fiume back then was part of Italy, after a rather complicated situation. The situation changed later.

Bari, although not to the same degree as Brindisi, was one of the harbours that the Regia Marina used quite heavily in the Great War. 

 

Well, good thing then that that ship was in good company, like that of HMS Black Prince...

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Never heard of hms black prince at all.

 

Naming convetions for ships for most countries seems all over the place too be honest.  Even if they were named Pisa or Leonardo or Sirio Maccioni, i would only go up the line if they were actually decent to play, as im sick and tired of going up lines only to find out they are terrible (world of tanks).

 

If these were actual italian ships that were made then i would be more sympethetic but we are talking about a company that can barely implement anything right or anything useful in the first place nevermind several iterations later.

 

Also do people hate those cities or something?

[KillStealBoss]

6 minutes ago, CptBarney said:

as im sick and tired of going up lines only to find out they are terrible (world of tanks).

No tank reviewers on YouTube?

[Historynerd]

HMS Black Prince, an armoured cruiser that the British insisted on dragging along, together with its sister ships, to the Jutland, and which had the misfortune, during the nighttime engagement, straight into the German battlefleet who thanked them for the gift and tore it to pieces with ease.

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These names, unless they are kind of placeholders till they get something better (and I hope they are), showcase literally zero effort from WG to take care of this, which may be a detail but it has quite the importance.

And, might I add, had they had to pick a name for a design-only RN heavy cruiser, I am morally certain that they would be a lot more careful and they'd take a lot more effort before picking a name pretty much at random.

[CptBarney]

Just now, MacArthur92 said:

No tank reviewers on YouTube?

Nah this was years ago, when i was still new to the game and was kinda confused about what lines to go up. I also heard the 121 was one of the newer lines and the tank looked cool to me so i just went up it.

 

Some other lines i went up become irrelevant (E100, AMX 50 line) and are still are or maybe getting buffs later.

[KillStealBoss]

1 minute ago, CptBarney said:

Nah this was years ago, when i was still new to the game and was kinda confused about what lines to go up. I also heard the 121 was one of the newer lines and the tank looked cool to me so i just went up it.

 

Some other lines i went up become irrelevant (E100, AMX 50 line) and are still are or maybe getting buffs later.

Well YouTube was and still is the helping thing to prepare the captain and see the positive and negative issues with each line. 

[CptBarney]

6 minutes ago, Historynerd said:

 I am morally certain that they would be a lot more careful and they'd take a lot more effort before picking a name pretty much at random.

Doubt it, since our names despite being names after some places and important figures some are random (HMS Black Joke).

 

Some are based on letters or as recently just to do with type (type 45).

 

Like i said even if they were named properly, if the ships are bad then it will just be even more of a meme. I doubt you have anything better in terms of names that are unique or havent been taken by previous ships already.

 

Anyways instead of raging wait until the first iteration or second, wargaming changed republique when it was still known as france.

[Exocet6951]

5 minutes ago, CptBarney said:

Anyways instead of raging wait until the first iteration or second, wargaming changed republique when it was still known as france.

 

 

That was done specifically because it was met with vocal disdain.

[CptBarney]

1 minute ago, Exocet6951 said:

 

 

That was done specifically because it was met with vocal disdain.

oh? thought they just changed it anyways.

 

too be honest im glad italian cruisers will be in the game at last although they should of been in the game ages ago in my opinion.