Discussion thread for "some interesting info around the world"

[SomeoneYouKnow2]

Has everyone been stunned into silence (like the CCs) over the latest "news" ?

[BruceRKF]

Spending time looking for other games to play. There will be a lot of free time previously associated with WoWs if the training center goes through...

[Gvozdika]

3 minutes ago, SomeoneYouKnow2 said:

Has everyone been stunned into silence (like the CCs) over the latest "news" ?

Well I called it - it's an unholy combination of gimmicks + changes that nobody in the player base actually asked for. The result from everyone - 'HUH?!'

 

The potential scenario is that you have two identical ships going head to head - one has a massive advantage over the other by virtue of one player having sunk more time/money into the game. WoT did something similar with the whole bonds/enhanced equipment - one reason I was glad to be rid of that circus. 

 

Not ideal by any stretch of the imagination.

[ShinGetsu]

IFHE changes are pretty okay. Tweakable but ok.

MM change is pretty sensible as well.

 

But that p2w regrind bonus thingy is an ABERRATION. It's on the level of an Eldricht Horror.

[ImperialAdmiral]

Pure bs if you ask me. WoWs is going P2W it seems. 

Who will have time to grind all that? Only no lifes and extreme wallet warriors which will lead to massive unbalance and death of competetive modes what so ever.

CV rework is nothing in comparison with that.

[HaachamaShipping]

23 minutes ago, ShinGetsu said:

IFHE changes are pretty okay. Tweakable but ok.

If you aren't some T6 CL or Harugumo, maybe.

[NoirLotus]

It's now official : WG has lost his mind !!

 

Everybody enjoy the great joy of playing the game during the rework of CV/IFHE/MM and don't forget to cancel your progress on full branches to replay the game another time 'or I guess, buy time and do it with free XP) ...

 

 

 

 

[Panocek]

12 minutes ago, Cagliostro_chan said:

If you aren't some T6 CL or Harugumo, maybe.

Obviously, you're not supposed to have fun in Buddy or Harugumo

 

Dunno what to think of IFHE changes...

 

15 minutes ago, B0Tato said:

Plating of bow and aft ends of cruisers with a caliber of main guns lower than 200 mm is made thinner than before: 13 mm for tiers VI - VII, 16 mm for tiers VIII - X;

aka how to sell more battlecruisers and justify some extra napkin designs which happens to have 240mm+ guns

 

15 minutes ago, B0Tato said:

Plating of central part for tier X cruisers is brought to the value of 30 mm. This will cause the ricochet of shells with caliber up to 429 mm. Armor belts thicker than 30 mm will not be changed;

... which affectly only Minotaur, Des Moines class and Wooster, as rest of T10 cruisers have 30mm+ plating already.

[HaachamaShipping]

Just now, Panocek said:

Obviously, you're not supposed to have fun in Buddy or Harugumo

 

Dunno what to think of IFHE changes...

Imagine being a Dallas. In a T8 match. You might face some lucky day where the T6 BBs are Fusos and bounce off your central plating. Or they are Bayerns and overmatch you still. You need IFHE, because without, you cannot deal with same tier BBs efficiently and T8 cruisers would just laugh at your ship. Without IFHE, IJN cruisers would be the bane of your existence, given they got extensive armour deck plating and like all heavy cruisers, they overmatch your bow now. Aoba and Myoko are to their tier mates what Furutaka is to its. And then you run into some T8 Monarch that outspots you, shoots every 25 seconds and you cannot deal damage anywhere except superstructure, while your fire chance is absolutely pathetic. And being a Dallas, you don't even get torps, because you left those behind with the Omaha. Only way this could get any worse is if that Monarch player gets 10% better dispersion and 22.5 seconds reload, because they played the game for far longer than you.

[NoirLotus]

5 minutes ago, Panocek said:

Obviously, you're not supposed to have fun in Buddy or Harugumo

 

Dunno what to think of IFHE changes...

If you look only at high tier ships, it looks interesting :

- it's a nerf for Harugumo who really needs to be toned down

- IFHE is less mandatory for 6-inch guns and a little buff for BB as without it, 6-inch HE can't pen and with it, fire chance is halved

 

The problem is that to do this, WG is just throwing T6-7 ships under the bus.

[Panocek]

2 minutes ago, NoirLotus said:

If you look only at high tier ships, it looks interesting :

- it's a nerf for Harugumo who really needs to be toned down

- IFHE is less mandatory for 6-inch guns and a little buff for BB as without it, 6-inch HE can't pen and with it, fire chance is halved

 

The problem is that to do this, WG is just throwing T6-7 ships under the bus.

Well, these tiers are reserved to PvE plebs anyway, so no big loss there

 

My Helena though...

[CptBarney]

4 minutes ago, Cagliostro_chan said:

Imagine being a Dallas. In a T8 match. You might face some lucky day where the T6 BBs are Fusos and bounce off your central plating. Or they are Bayerns and overmatch you still. You need IFHE, because without, you cannot deal with same tier BBs efficiently and T8 cruisers would just laugh at your ship. Without IFHE, IJN cruisers would be the bane of your existence, given they got extensive armour deck plating and like all heavy cruisers, they overmatch your bow now. Aoba and Myoko are to their tier mates what Furutaka is to its. And then you run into some T8 Monarch that outspots you, shoots every 25 seconds and you cannot deal damage anywhere except superstructure, while your fire chance is absolutely pathetic. And being a Dallas, you don't even get torps, because you left those behind with the Omaha. Only way this could get any worse is if that Monarch player gets 10% better dispersion and 22.5 seconds reload, because they played the game for far longer than you.

A bit confused. Does that means it a direct buff for the aoba or more of a nerf? Since im grinding the line atm.

[HaachamaShipping]

1 minute ago, CptBarney said:

A bit confused. Does that means it a direct buff for the aoba or more of a nerf? Since im grinding the line atm.

Assuming no further changes, Aoba gets buffed relative to others, as it would overmatch same tier cruiser bows and needs no IFHE to deal with BBs.

[Panocek]

5 minutes ago, CptBarney said:

A bit confused. Does that means it a direct buff for the aoba or more of a nerf? Since im grinding the line atm.

No change to Ayyyoba as she have 25mm amidship and top kek deck already, no gun change as well. Also T6-7 CLs will need IFHE to deal with that, as usual. HE rule gets changed

31 minutes ago, B0Tato said:

Now, HE shells of most ships penetrate the armor, thinner than 1\6 of the caliber. This rule is changed from "lower" to "equal or lower". Thus 152 mm shells will penetrate 25 mm plating;

 

Same story with Myoko. So that is actually a nerf compared to current non IFHE'd CLs

Mogami and iBucky gets slight hull upgrade, which will be extra wonky as they already have odd combo of 25mm and 30mm platings.

[Smeggo]

That's all nice and things, but where are the submarines? 

[HaachamaShipping]

16 minutes ago, Panocek said:

No change to Ayyyoba as she have 25mm amidship and top kek deck already, no gun change as well. Also T6-7 CLs will need IFHE to deal with that, as usual. HE rule gets changed

25 mm side is one thing, but no amount of IFHE change will make other T6s magically pen that 48 mm deck.

[gslick]

1 hour ago, BruceRKF said:

Spending time looking for other games to play. There will be a lot of free time previously associated with WoWs if the training center goes through...

 

1 hour ago, Gvozdika said:

Well I called it - it's an unholy combination of gimmicks + changes that nobody in the player base actually asked for. The result from everyone - 'HUH?!'

 

The potential scenario is that you have two identical ships going head to head - one has a massive advantage over the other by virtue of one player having sunk more time/money into the game. WoT did something similar with the whole bonds/enhanced equipment - one reason I was glad to be rid of that circus. 

 

Not ideal by any stretch of the imagination.

 

1 hour ago, ShinGetsu said:

IFHE changes are pretty okay. Tweakable but ok.

MM change is pretty sensible as well.

 

But that p2w regrind bonus thingy is an ABERRATION. It's on the level of an Eldricht Horror.

 

1 hour ago, ImperialAdmiral said:

Pure bs if you ask me. WoWs is going P2W it seems. 

Who will have time to grind all that? Only no lifes and extreme wallet warriors which will lead to massive unbalance and death of competetive modes what so ever.

CV rework is nothing in comparison with that.

 

44 minutes ago, NoirLotus said:

It's now official : WG has lost his mind !!

 

Everybody enjoy the great joy of playing the game during the rework of CV/IFHE/MM and don't forget to cancel your progress on full branches to replay the game another time 'or I guess, buy time and do it with free XP) ...

 

 

 

 

I agree with the sentiments expressed about Naval Training Center.  The absurdity stuns me and I can only say

 

[Toivia]

Cautiously looking forward to the IFHE bundle* of changes and the MM change.

But to hell with that Training Center.

 

*If I'm reading it correctly, in one fell swoop it makes CLs easier to deal with, stomps the absurdity of Akizuki/Kitakaze/Harugumo and also deals with the necessity for IFHE on a number of ships. If I'm not mistaken, it also fixes the issue with Jutand and Daring needing IFHE against DDs right now. Also it's another nerf for Henri after the announced reload nerf. It no longer will be able to pen Stalingrads and Moskvas (the 50mm bits).

One aspect I am not so sure about is the comparative weakness of T6-7 CLs against both CAs and T8+ BBs while T8+ CLs are almost untouched when it comes to capabilities and survivability (T8+ CLs only newly become vulnerable to "large cruisers" like Azuma, Kronshtadt or even Henri IV's guns; the offense capabilities of T8+ CLs is same or better across the board).

 

EDIT: Oh, the IFHE nerf should also rein in Colbert and Smolensk. Those should no longer be able to melt cruisers and BBs reliably. If they don't take IFHE, they can only damage CA and BB superstructures and also CL extremities, but they keep their fire chance. With IFHE, they can also damage some CA extremities, but they suffer the fire chance nerf.

[NoirLotus]

In fact, If Colbert and Smolensk don't see changes in their HE, they are not only nerfed, they simply can't do damage anymore with the IFHE rework (130 mm HE will only have 26 mm of penetration with IFHE, 127 mm HE will only have 25 mm).

 

 

So I can't see these ships staying untouched, just like a few other (Khabarovsk, Atlanta & Flint) ...

 

[Toivia]

Oh, one more note about the Training Center: there wouldn't be need* for such nonsense if they stopped giving away T8 ships in every new branch released.

 

*Well, assuming there is need at all. Questionnable, though true that low and midtiers are probably not as much played as they could be. What also isn't helping is the overabundance of T9-10 premiums.

[Panocek]

Just realized Henri IV is going to get hit by this, removing his feature of 50mm HE pen, which may or may not affect its CW utility.

 

15 minutes ago, NoirLotus said:

In fact, If Colbert and Smolensk don't see changes in their HE, they are not only nerfed, they simply can't do damage anymore with the IFHE rework (130 mm HE will only have 26 mm of penetration with IFHE, 127 mm HE will only have 25 mm).

 

 

So I can't see these ships staying untouched, just like a few other (Khabarovsk, Atlanta & Flint) ...

 

There isn't much reason to run IFHE on Kebab, Atlanta class do benefit from it more, but its still less mandatory than current IFHE on 152mm guns.

[fumtu]

30 minutes ago, Toivia said:

If I'm not mistaken, it also fixes the issue with Jutand and Daring needing IFHE against DDs right now.

 

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Now, HE shells of most ships penetrate the armor, thinner than 1\6 of the caliber. This rule is changed from "lower" to "equal or lower".

 

Jutland and Daring have 113mm guns which means that 1/6 gives 18.83mm. Unless this will be first rounded to 19mm and then calculated do it pen or not, Daring and Jutland would still not be able to pen 19mm of DD armour.

[piet11111]

This training center is just wow i really cant wait to hear the official spin on how this is not going to suck.

[Affeks]

Wows was always easy for me to get back into. Whatever it was, exams, long holiday trips, work or even the breaks because of CV frustration, i would always come back. The biggest reason was that I always had a platform to compete fairly in randoms, ranked or clan battles. Knowing me and a lot of other player types this will gatekeep me from coming back or new players to even begin such a grind.

 

The grind to competitive fairness MUST BE KEPT SHORT!

 

The vanity grind or even competitive ranking grind can be long(er). The latest events has personally been to my liking. Grinding the new alternate colour schemes is always a joy. Grinding something that feels unfair doesnt leave a nice aftertaste... Legendary modules were almost too much according to me and many others, and those are in many cases sidegrades or even downgrades. A longer grind for something that substantial is just blowing it off the scale. 

 

The goodwill of the community is stretched thin after a certain rework, in no way is this going to help.

[Toivia]

59 minutes ago, fumtu said:

 

 

Jutland and Daring have 113mm guns which means that 1/6 gives 18.83mm. Unless this will be first rounded to 19mm and then calculated do it pen or not, Daring and Jutland would still not be able to pen 19mm of DD armour.

Well, HE pen is rounded now as well. With no mention of that changing and the fact HE would now pen directly the value calculated (no more +1mm pen needed for HE), 113mm HE should newly pen 19mm of armor.

 

Fact is though all of that is preliminary and likely to still get tweaked a lot. From what has been noticed so far, I mostly have issue with high tier CLs gaining in offense even without IFHE.