Discussion thread for "some interesting info around the world"

[Toivia]

2 hours ago, B0Tato said:

Indeed, but maybe there's at least a mod for that?

I'd guess so, yes. Not something I want to dabble with though.

[Panocek]

 

Basically AP with 0.00 time fuse

[Admiral_H_Nelson]

8 minutes ago, Panocek said:

 

Basically AP with 0.00 time fuse

What? Time for a split of the Russian cruiser line already?

[Panocek]

2 minutes ago, Admiral_H_Nelson said:

What? Time for a split of the Russian cruiser line already?

Nah, 3rd RU DD line is in order. With guided torpedoes with ricochet mechanics as well

 

Besides, weren't UK cruisers promoted to use "SAP" ammo to start with? They already have cut in half fuse time, improved ricochet angles and whatnot

[Aotearas]

15 minutes ago, Panocek said:

 

Basically AP with 0.00 time fuse

Like I said in the DevBlog thread, smells faintly like pizza.

[AkosJaccik]

24 minutes ago, Panocek said:

Besides, weren't UK cruisers promoted to use "SAP" ammo to start with? They already have cut in half fuse time, improved ricochet angles and whatnot

"Welcome to WoWs, where your national / tech trait is unique right until everyone gets it by default; and where bullsh*t gets countered with newer bullsh*t!"

[Toivia]

Huh, so useful against broadsides with some reinforced upper belts, maybe even some of the thicker decks from range? Probably also all superstructures and also broadside extremities.

But in the first case, normal AP should still do more damage. And in the second case, HE can set fires and doesn't care about angles.

 

Not quite sure where SAP comes in handy really. Unless of course you lack either AP or HE.

[Panocek]

9 minutes ago, Toivia said:

Huh, so useful against broadsides with some reinforced upper belts, maybe even some of the thicker decks from range? Probably also all superstructures and also broadside extremities.

But in the first case, normal AP should still do more damage. And in the second case, HE can set fires and doesn't care about angles.

 

Not quite sure where SAP comes in handy really. Unless of course you lack either AP or HE.

Not many BBs have citadel plating on the outside... unlike cruisers

[Panocek]

https://worldofwarships.eu/en/news/game-updates/update-085-rogue-wave/

 

Quote

Please welcome a new ship in the Armory—Tier X Japanese cruiser  X Yoshino, available for 248,000 Coal.

Yoshino is a Tier X Japanese cruiser with long-range artillery, heavy salvoes, and explosive damage—a set of advantages that are generally characteristic of high-tier heavy cruisers. Yoshino has all of it, but she also has an ace up her sleeve: over a dozen long-range torpedoes. The variety of her armament will allow you to keep enemy ships on their toes at any distance. However, long-range combat is the preferable option for Yoshino, due to her large size and typical cruiser armor protection.

Main characteristics of Yoshino

Nine 310 mm guns mounted in triple turrets that boast enjoyable ballistics and a smaller dispersion ellipse when compared with cruisers Kronshtadt and Alaska.

Two types of torpedoes to choose from: long range (20 km) and medium range (12 km). The latter have greater speed and damage, and they are harder to spot, too. You're also likely to grow fond of the cruiser’s torpedo aiming angles.

In addition to the Damage Control Party and Repair Party consumables, the ship can also use Defensive AA Fire or Hydroacoustic Search in slot 2, and the Spotting Aircraft or Fighter consumables in slot 3.

 

So, Yoshie for 248k coal... Paint me surprised

[Toivia]

2 hours ago, Panocek said:

Not many BBs have citadel plating on the outside... unlike cruisers

And by that you mean... what exactly? Never mentioned citadels...

 

Actually I just though of one scenario where SAP would work: in case of shooting an angled BB that is already burning in all places. Then shooting the superstructure with SAP would do more DMG than regular AP (overpens) or HE (smaller alpha and no more chance to set additional fires). Very, very limited scenario though.

25 minutes ago, Panocek said:

https://worldofwarships.eu/en/news/game-updates/update-085-rogue-wave/

 

 

So, Yoshie for 248k coal... Paint me surprised

Wow, without a discount coupon at 248k coal? That would be amazing. Let's hope it's not just testing the waters in a bait and switch tactic ("So they are surprised with the low price, make it twice that then and profit!").

[Panocek]

1 minute ago, Toivia said:

Wow, without a discount coupon at 248k coal? That would be amazing. Let's hope it's not just testing the waters in a bait and switch tactic ("So they are surprised with the low price, make it twice that then and profit!").

Unlikely to do bait and switch two days before release. Two weeks? Maybe.

 

But then we're dealing with WG so you never know what kind of surprise mechanic they will pull off this time

[Toivia]

 

7 minutes ago, Panocek said:

Unlikely to do bait and switch two days before release. Two weeks? Maybe.

 

But then we're dealing with WG so you never know what kind of surprise mechanic they will pull off this time

Yeah...

 

But what did you mean by the previous post? Do you expect BBs to get SAP? That actually didn't cross my mind. I guess that would assure regular pens on pretty much all cruisers a BB targets. On some of them - if broadside - automatic citadels (although a lot of cruisers also don't have the citadel going all the way to the main armored external belt).

I assume overmatch woud still apply on angled cruisers -> pens. If you happen to not overmatch (15inch gun on angled 27mm bow), bounce.

 

Yeah, that would be pretty bad for cruisers. EDIT: Oh, also awful for Harugumo and partially Khaba.

[josykay]

Does anybody know about Yoshino's Economy? Increased income like the Tier 9 vessels or regular income like Salem? Would really reduce the appeal of it for me  with Georgia, and soon Siegfried.

[Panocek]

11 minutes ago, Toivia said:

 

Yeah...

 

But what did you mean by the previous post? Do you expect BBs to get SAP? That actually didn't cross my mind. I guess that would assure regular pens on pretty much all cruisers a BB targets. On some of them - if broadside - automatic citadels (although a lot of cruisers also don't have the citadel going all the way to the main armored external belt).

I assume overmatch woud still apply on angled cruisers -> pens. If you happen to not overmatch (15inch gun on angled 27mm bow), bounce.

 

Yeah, that would be pretty bad for cruisers.

Dunno if pasta battleboats will get SAP but its clear WG is running out of gimmicks. On other hand, getting UK CL rounds in CA caliber (or American Piercing without overpen) might turn interesting, to say the least. And IIRC Italians had quite a few heavy cruisers at their disposal?

 

Just now, josykay said:

Does anybody know about Yoshino's Economy? Increased income like the Tier 9 vessels or regular income like Salem? Would really reduce the appeal of it for me  with Georgia, and soon Siegfried.

Presumably like Salem, as in T10 premium repair cost with appropriate premium paint, so 45k repair bill and 20% extra credits?

 

[rnat]

10 minutes ago, Toivia said:

I assume overmatch woud still apply on angled cruisers -> pens. If you happen to not overmatch (15inch gun on angled 27mm bow), bounce.

There might be different overmatch-rules as well.

[Panocek]

2 minutes ago, rnat said:

There might be different overmatch-rules as well.

My guess it will overmatch as usual AP, but it will behave accordingly to 0.00s fuse time - if overmatched effective armor triggers fuse, it will be regular pen. Otherwise it will travel further until it meets appropriate plate to arm and go poof

[Aotearas]

9 minutes ago, josykay said:

Does anybody know about Yoshino's Economy? Increased income like the Tier 9 vessels or regular income like Salem? Would really reduce the appeal of it for me  with Georgia, and soon Siegfried.

With it coming out on thrusday you can expect any CC NDA being lifted either tomorrow or on patchday, so plenty enough CC impressions/reviews ought to flood in soon and I'm sure they'll mention if there's anything out of the ordinary regarding its credits income.

[Toivia]

3 minutes ago, Panocek said:

Dunno if pasta battleboats will get SAP but its clear WG is running out of gimmicks. On other hand, getting UK CL rounds in CA caliber (or American Piercing without overpen) might turn interesting, to say the least. And IIRC Italians had quite a few heavy cruisers at their disposal?

Ah, ok, that's where you're coming from. Kinda lost faith on italian lines myself...

Yeah, indeed when one considers larger caliber SAP shells, one can indeed find situations where regular AP tends to overpen often instead of getting the juicy citadels. SAP might not always be able to get citadels either, but it would ensure pens. So on anything smaller than "large cruisers", it would do potentially more damage than HE+fires.

This might fit with Roma's not stellar levels of accuracy. Otherwise, even not relying on citadels, reliable SAP pens might just do too much damage.

 

Anyway, I would expect SAP to have some kind of overmatch (values might differ from the good old 14.3). And if SAP does overmatch, it instantly deals damage. If it doesn't overmatch and the angle is too steep, it would bounce. It really wouldn't make sense to me if a SAP shell overmatches a cruiser's bow and travels all the way to it's citadel 50 meters further to deal damage.

[Yedwy]

1 hour ago, Panocek said:

Dunno if pasta battleboats will get SAP but its clear WG is running out of gimmicks. On other hand, getting UK CL rounds in CA caliber (or American Piercing without overpen) might turn interesting, to say the least. And IIRC Italians had quite a few heavy cruisers at their disposal?

 

Presumably like Salem, as in T10 premium repair cost with appropriate premium paint, so 45k repair bill and 20% extra credits?

 

It would be historically accurate, besides Roma really has shitty HE and AP (Palla) is challenging to use properly, I wouldnt mind them replacing HE with sAP of some kind, even if only for the white line although it would do wonders for Roma as well so I hope they do that for her as well

[HaachamaShipping]

6 hours ago, AkosJaccik said:

"Welcome to WoWs, where your national / tech trait is unique right until everyone gets it by default; and where bullsh*t gets countered with newer bullsh*t!"

British sAP still is superior because it gets improved ricochet angles, which this doesn't get. And spamming 152 mm AP without the improved ricochet angles at angled targets is most of the time waste of ammo and time, unless it's an Omaha or something of that sort. That's like saying USN AP does not exist, because everyone gets AP or German HE does not exist, because everyone gets HE.

3 hours ago, Panocek said:

Dunno if pasta battleboats will get SAP but its clear WG is running out of gimmicks. On other hand, getting UK CL rounds in CA caliber (or American Piercing without overpen) might turn interesting, to say the least. And IIRC Italians had quite a few heavy cruisers at their disposal?

 

Presumably like Salem, as in T10 premium repair cost with appropriate premium paint, so 45k repair bill and 20% extra credits?

 

On Italians, if the premiums are anything to go by, it would make some sense, though without improved ricochet angles it might suck massively. The greatest advantage is that most of them have silly high shell velocities and Roma for example overpens a lot, while HE is absolute trash in fire chance anyway. For BBs, it might kind of work, given overmatch exists most of the time and you can still full pen superstructure. On cruisers... yeah, lolno. As third option maybe, but sAP replacing regular AP means it's straight up trash at citadelling anything and as HE replacement, it absolutely gimps your ability to deal with anything that knows how to angle. Even on the British it can be a pain and those get improved ricochet angles and high dpm. Something like Zara, a prime candidate for Italian cruiser tech tree CA would basically become straight up worse Hipper.

[Yedwy]

Soo I see no mention of Slava in patchnotes, seems its not coming this patch either?

[invicta2012]

1 hour ago, Cagliostro_chan said:

The greatest advantage is that most of them have silly high shell velocities and Roma for example overpens a lot, while HE is absolute trash in fire chance anyway.

This SAP would benefit high velocity weapons with a smaller calibre for their type, so a ship like Dunkerque (which tends to overpen lightly armoured ships when using AP) would be a good test bed. Destroyers with smaller calibre weapons might find it preferable to their existing shells, too....I'm wondering about the potential bad impacts, though. 

[Lebedjev]

1 hour ago, Yedwy said:

Soo I see no mention of Slava in patchnotes, seems its not coming this patch either?

And Smolensk !

... Poor Excavatus. :(

[Toivia]

2 hours ago, Yedwy said:

Soo I see no mention of Slava in patchnotes, seems its not coming this patch either?

You almost sound like you want to abuse the ship to farm... well, everybody experience the perfectly balanced glorious historical soviet ship, da, komrade?

[Yedwy]

6 hours ago, Toivia said:

You almost sound like you want to abuse the ship to farm... well, everybody experience the perfectly balanced glorious historical soviet ship, da, komrade?

DA