[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #14751 Posted May 24, 2019 Looks to me like a shortened Shima with better guns and less torps. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-AP-] thiextar Players 3,503 posts 9,933 battles Report post #14752 Posted May 24, 2019 dfaa and 14 flak bursts with 800 continous mid range dps on a battleship... If its just this one ship, fine. But if this is the beginning of a battleship-aa creep, it kinda feels like they steal what is supposed to be the strength of cruisers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NAN0] HaachamaShipping Players 8,474 posts 10,052 battles Report post #14753 Posted May 24, 2019 41 minutes ago, ColonelPete said: Looks to me like a shortened Shima with better guns and less torps. Also worse concealment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Culiacan_Mexico Players 2,844 posts 14,993 battles Report post #14754 Posted May 24, 2019 4 hours ago, Yedwy said: How many times did we have "oh its a bb calibre with cruiser dispersion its gonna be murder" claims and in the end dispersion is nowhere near the cruiser values, not even on balansgrad Give WG time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TORAZ] El2aZeR Beta Tester 15,786 posts 26,801 battles Report post #14755 Posted May 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, thiextar said: But if this is the beginning of a battleship-aa creep, it kinda feels like they steal what is supposed to be the strength of cruisers. - implying they didn't already Seriously, BBs equipped with fighters are already much more annoying targets than AA cruisers. DFAA can be cheesed and cruisers die a lot quicker to CV ordinance/spotting than BBs ever will. Not to mention most AA cruisers rely on cover to survive, making them easy targets. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-EXS-] Hades_warrior Players 5,381 posts 6,643 battles Report post #14756 Posted May 24, 2019 So this is a premium version of Conqueror as it looks. Funny. I remember last year when we saw that ''leak'' of premium Conqueror names Lightning or Thunder, I dont remember and we thought it was fake. Well... it doesnt seem so much fake anymore. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #14757 Posted May 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, Hades_warrior said: So this is a premium version of Conqueror as it looks. Funny. I remember last year when we saw that ''leak'' of premium Conqueror names Lightning or Thunder, I dont remember and we thought it was fake. Well... it doesnt seem so much fake anymore. It was fake, but WG ran with it anyway.... http://shipcomrade.com/?p=790 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spunyarn Players 533 posts Report post #14758 Posted May 24, 2019 2 hours ago, thiextar said: dfaa and 14 flak bursts with 800 continous mid range dps on a battleship... If its just this one ship, fine. But if this is the beginning of a battleship-aa creep, it kinda feels like they steal what is supposed to be the strength of cruisers. "Only" difference in the mid range is the Defensive AA; Conqueror and Thunderer both have 14 flak bursts@980 and 815 continuous. Identical long range AA as well, since the same dual-purpose secondaries. Main difference (other than the Defensive AA) is that Conqueror doesn't have any short range AA so there is the 1km hole above her, but Thunderer has short range AA going from 0.1-1.5 km. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-AP-] thiextar Players 3,503 posts 9,933 battles Report post #14759 Posted May 24, 2019 That wargaming announcement stream yesterday got turned into this masterpiece of a gif https://www.reddit.com/r/WorldOfWarships/comments/bsg4u5/shiptoast_are_you_having_fun_playing_against_cv/ 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TORAZ] El2aZeR Beta Tester 15,786 posts 26,801 battles Report post #14760 Posted May 24, 2019 59 minutes ago, thiextar said: That wargaming announcement stream yesterday got turned into this masterpiece of a gif They should've just dodged lol. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-AP-] thiextar Players 3,503 posts 9,933 battles Report post #14761 Posted May 24, 2019 41 minutes ago, El2aZeR said: They should've just dodged lol. Funny thing is they didnt even touch the sectors 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[COMFY] ImperialAdmiral [COMFY] Players 1,649 posts 9,828 battles Report post #14762 Posted May 25, 2019 Is there any historical info on Hayate turrets? Or they are pure imagination? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[2137] MK1D [2137] Weekend Tester 389 posts 8,880 battles Report post #14763 Posted May 25, 2019 3 hours ago, ImperialAdmiral said: Is there any historical info on Hayate turrets? Or they are pure imagination? I think they're based on this. http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNJAP_5-50_t1.php 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DK-CP] NothingButTheRain Players 6,338 posts 14,259 battles Report post #14764 Posted May 25, 2019 On 5/24/2019 at 11:33 AM, Taliesn said: I was hoping for Von Moltke or simply Moltke myself. It was even the name of a WW1 battlecruiser class, FFS. It may be better to not use existing names for paper ships. Your way would mean the real Moltke couldn't be added to the game anymore, or at least not using her original name and I'd prefer Moltke on the WW1 ship. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DK-CP] NothingButTheRain Players 6,338 posts 14,259 battles Report post #14765 Posted May 25, 2019 18 hours ago, Hades_warrior said: So this is a premium version of Conqueror as it looks. Funny. I remember last year when we saw that ''leak'' of premium Conqueror names Lightning or Thunder, I dont remember and we thought it was fake. Well... it doesnt seem so much fake anymore. It was a fakeboote right from the start. But good thing WG is actually catching up to adding ships like these (still waiting on the USS Blue and the USS Conway ). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-EXS-] Hades_warrior Players 5,381 posts 6,643 battles Report post #14766 Posted May 26, 2019 On 5/25/2019 at 3:26 PM, NothingButTheRain said: It was a fakeboote right from the start. But good thing WG is actually catching up to adding ships like these (still waiting on the USS Blue and the USS Conway ). This ''Thor'' BB will have 63% fire chance without any additional flags or mods. Im waiting for a ship with 100% fire chance 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NAN0] HaachamaShipping Players 8,474 posts 10,052 battles Report post #14767 Posted May 26, 2019 41 minutes ago, Hades_warrior said: This ''Thor'' BB will have 63% fire chance without any additional flags or mods. Im waiting for a ship with 100% fire chance You do know you already can get this by just playing current Conqueror with 457 mm guns? This is absolutely nothing new and is mostly regarded as inferior compared to lower fire chance but more barrels on 419 Conqueror. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[T-N-T] Toivia Players 4,019 posts 23,935 battles Report post #14768 Posted May 30, 2019 As per Stuntman's recent Siegfried stat preview video, it actually has a potentially serviceable armor (including an 80mm turtleback and 90mm upper belt). I'm really curious how it actually holds up in game versus both cruiser and BB caliber guns. I mean, the armor values around the citadel are enough to autobounce any shell in the game, what matters are the actual angles of the armor plates. So far, it looks like Siegfried will really behave like a BB against all cruisers (probably including a number of the supercruiser family due to extremity overmatch) but I fear any actual BB will still kill it with pens easily (picture a typical 20k+ pen salvo on a Bismarck side or in this case even through the bow and stern for 16inch guns or larger) if not even reaching the citadel. But in theory, if BBs don't know where to aim and/or the turtleback can withstand even BB shells, Siegfried might have the ace up its sleeve with the quadruple seemingy better protected (unlike open on the deck on Gneisenau, Tirpitz or Graf Spee) torp launcher per side for BB rushes. I'm really curious where this goes. With the torps, turtleback, overmatch and cruiser accuracy, it has the potential to be silly OP, even against BBs. But it could also turn out to be useless due to the low amount of guns or possibly not as good an armor layout as it may seem now (if BBs or even some cruisers could reach the citadel and also be guaranteed at least full pens anyway all of the time). They really keep setting themselves up for failure, this will need razor precise balancing to be both usable and not overpowered. Source video: 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SparvieroVV Players 684 posts 73 battles Report post #14769 Posted May 30, 2019 That upper belt just seems oddly thick in comparison to the main belt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[T-N-T] Toivia Players 4,019 posts 23,935 battles Report post #14770 Posted May 30, 2019 2 hours ago, SparvieroVV said: That upper belt just seems oddly thick in comparison to the main belt. It might be counterproductive in arming AP shells that might otherwise overpen the whole ship. Then again, it protects against all but BB HE. Or it might be a typo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Culiacan_Mexico Players 2,844 posts 14,993 battles Report post #14771 Posted May 31, 2019 Tyrendian89 was debating whether to just make this its own thread, but I'll leave it here for now (also for visibility). Brought to you by the ever-excellent LittleWhiteMouse and her amazing science team. https://forum.worldofwarships.com/topic/192541-continuous-aa-dps-explained/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Everything is fine. Nothing to see here. -- 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CR33D] fumtu [CR33D] Players 3,842 posts 38,979 battles Report post #14772 Posted June 8, 2019 Seems like Georgia is final. No news when will be released or how much will it cost. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NED] piet11111 Players 2,225 posts 8,827 battles Report post #14773 Posted June 8, 2019 59 minutes ago, fumtu said: Seems like Georgia is final. No news when will be released or how much will it cost. Great a Massachusetts with bigger guns and actual accuracy whats not to like. Seriously it sounds fantastic to me i just hope i have enough coal for her to purchase day 1. Yoshino the other coal ship sounds like total garbage to me considering its an azuma with a bit more armor and some torps. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[T-N-T] Toivia Players 4,019 posts 23,935 battles Report post #14774 Posted June 8, 2019 Kinda sorta hopefully ready for both Georgia and Yoshino. Though both are kinda awful choices in their own right... Georgia for being a completely gimmick full and Yoshino for being what the Azuma should have been. And even then representing a not so fun gameplay anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] Mr_Tayto Players 1,099 posts 10,119 battles Report post #14775 Posted June 8, 2019 Anyone have any educated guesses as to how much Georgia and Yoshino will cost? I'm up to the Jean Bart value of coal now, hoping it won't have been inflated too much as I'd quite like Georgia. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
