Discussion thread for "some interesting info around the world"

[fumtu]

7 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

380mm guns with Cruiser dispersion WILL be OP imo.

 

Especially if you take into account that 380mm could overmatch 25mm. This could be brutal.

[Tyrendian89]

14 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

They might do it anyway. 380mm guns with Cruiser dispersion WILL be OP imo.

guess we'll see when Georgia, with its 6x457mm cruiser dispersion (I think?), is released... didnt get much hype during testing at least... (and yes yes Georgia is a Battleship not a supercruiser, but that doesnt change what the guns are^^)

[DFens_666]

Just now, Tyrendian89 said:

guess we'll see when Georgia, with its 6x457mm cruiser dispersion (I think?), is released... didnt get much hype during testing at least... (and yes yes Georgia is a Battleship not a supercruiser, but that doesnt change what the guns are^^)

 

I was thinking about that, but kinda lost track which dispersion it had (so much stuff going on - cant remember everything )

I think it has BC dispersion (224m @ 21km looks like Graf spee/Alaska/Stalin)

[principat121]

21 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

380mm guns with Cruiser dispersion WILL be OP imo.

No, it will not. Georgia has bigger guns and also great dispersion and this ship is not OP at all.

And on the other hand the Azuma shows that a cruiser with great guns, but "less impressive armor" is also not OP.

[DFens_666]

2 minutes ago, principat121 said:

No, it will not. Georgia has bigger guns and also great dispersion and this ship is not OP at all.

And on the other hand the Azuma shows that a cruiser with great guns, but "less impressive armor" is also not OP.

 

Do we know the armor yet? Since german ships tend to have good armor most of the time... but thats speculating at this time.

[Taliesn]

1 hour ago, BruceRKF said:

Friesland looks like it could be interesting, but I'm still not sure about a DD without torpedoes. Also, I would have prefered not to have even more post war ships. Most of the post-war ships we have in the game are at least based on late-war technology (i.e. their plans are from war times). Friesland however was designed after the war. At least she's pretty.

So is the O-class battlecruiser (looks like a mixture between FdG and Gneisenau). We'll have to see about the performance, but the name is just wrong, imo. Are there no people from German history left to name the ship after? Alternatively maybe use something like Markgraf or Kronprinz, definitely better then Siegfried to my ears.

 

I was hoping for Von Moltke or simply Moltke myself. It was even the name of a WW1 battlecruiser class, FFS.

[Fat_Maniac]

9 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

 

Do we know the armor yet? Since german ships tend to have good armor most of the time... but thats speculating at this time.

Dev Blog said 27mm plating

 

[1MajorKoenig]

4 minutes ago, Taliesn said:

 

I was hoping for Von Moltke or simply Moltke myself. It was even the name of a WW1 battlecruiser class, FFS.

 

Nope Moltke is reserved for the REAL one and only BC from WW1

 

“Siegfried” is a good name for that ship although I would have picked “Clausewitz”

[DFens_666]

2 minutes ago, Fat_Maniac said:

Dev Blog said 27mm plating

 

Which already gives a bit more room than azumas/Krons 25mm... and i guess they will give it some sort of turtleback armor. Unlike Azuma which is floating cita

[Aotearas]

17 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

 

I was thinking about that, but kinda lost track which dispersion it had (so much stuff going on - cant remember everything )

I think it has BC dispersion (224m @ 21km looks like Graf spee/Alaska/Stalin)

No, last time I heard the Georgia has the exact same dispersion formula as cruisers: R x 6.9 + 33

 

Having seen Farazelleth toy around with it a bit, the dispersion most definately looks like that aswell (though probably with more BB typical sigma as there was still the odd salvo with large dispersion, or maybe that was the lock-on bug, hard to quantify these days).

[DFens_666]

Just now, Aotearas said:

No, last time I heard the Georgia has the exact same dispersion formula as cruisers: R x 6.9 + 33

 

Having seen Farazelleth toy around with it a bit, the dispersion most definately looks like that aswell (though probably with more BB typical sigma as there was still the odd salvo with large dispersion, or maybe that was the lock-on bug, hard to quantify these days).

 

As i said: Cant keep track Quick google only showed me 270m when they announced it, and 224m after change. Maybe got changed again, dont even know that

[Aotearas]

Just now, DFens_666 said:

 

As i said: Cant keep track Quick google only showed me 270m when they announced it, and 224m after change. Maybe got changed again, dont even know that

Iirc the Georgia dispersion change wasn't announced by WG, but was datamined instead so take that information with a grain of salt (though by now I trust a random datamine more than WG tbh). And as I said, Farazelleth recently played the Georgia (has a Youtube video of it) and that dispersion is disgustingly tight.

 

Siegfried's dispersion parameters also look like they take the same route if I look at 175m maximum dispersion at 20.4km (don't know from the top of my head how much max dispersion the Bismarck has, she should be a good comparision because they have roughly the same max range) and that 2.05 sigma just screams cruiser to me as that is the typical cruiser sigma value compared to the BB's 1.8, 1.9 or 2.0 values.

[Toivia]

44 minutes ago, Aotearas said:

Iirc the Georgia dispersion change wasn't announced by WG, but was datamined instead so take that information with a grain of salt (though by now I trust a random datamine more than WG tbh). And as I said, Farazelleth recently played the Georgia (has a Youtube video of it) and that dispersion is disgustingly tight.

 

Siegfried's dispersion parameters also look like they take the same route if I look at 175m maximum dispersion at 20.4km (don't know from the top of my head how much max dispersion the Bismarck has, she should be a good comparision because they have roughly the same max range) and that 2.05 sigma just screams cruiser to me as that is the typical cruiser sigma value compared to the BB's 1.8, 1.9 or 2.0 values.

Currently, Georgia has 216m dispersion listed on the fitting tool, at 20,04kms. That is "large cruiser" dispersion. (Stalingrad at 20,3kms: 219m.)

Siegfried's announced dispersion is cruiserlike. Hinden with range mod has 176m dispersion at 20,7kms.

 

For comparison, FdG at 20,3kms has 265m of dispersion.

[Aotearas]

24 minutes ago, Toivia said:

Currently, Georgia has 216m dispersion listed on the fitting tool, at 20,04kms. That is "large cruiser" dispersion. (Stalingrad at 20,3kms: 219m.)

Be careful with the WoWs Fitting tool as they've had a couple instances of using the wrong datasets. The usual grain of salt applies.

[Fat_Maniac]

1 hour ago, DFens_666 said:

 

Which already gives a bit more room than azumas/Krons 25mm... and i guess they will give it some sort of turtleback armor. Unlike Azuma which is floating cita

MrConway mentioned a turtle back in the stream

[SparvieroVV]

26 minutes ago, Fat_Maniac said:

MrConway mentioned a turtle back in the stream

It must be a game mechanic issue with the angle of the turtle back then as my understanding is the O class was supposed to have a 190mm belt. 

 

 

[fumtu]

So Pobeda/Slava is nerfed in the way that it will now have even less reasons to push while its accuracy is only slightly worse (205m dispersion on 20km instead of previous 200m).

 

Mogador is nerfed in similar way to Kleber. Now it have only 5 torps per side (1x2 and 1x3 per side), reload is now 7.5sec and detection range is increase for 0.92km. So now Kleber is better option between two as it should be.

 

Yoshino reload time is reduced. Also it is interesting that all CC I watched recommended WG to keep 20km torps as, in their opinion, they were better option for a ship.

[ColonelPete]

34 minutes ago, SparvieroVV said:

It must be a game mechanic issue with the angle of the turtle back then as my understanding is the O class was supposed to have a 190mm belt. 

She also had planned turtle back armor for the steering gears.

 

The question is, did he mean that or turtle back for the citadel?

[HaachamaShipping]

1 hour ago, Fat_Maniac said:

MrConway mentioned a turtle back in the stream

People say German high tier CAs have turtleback, but that does not mean it's even hard to citadel them if they get shot in the side.

[Yedwy]

How many times did we have "oh its a bb calibre with cruiser dispersion its gonna be murder" claims and in the end dispersion is nowhere near the cruiser values, not even on balansgrad

[fumtu]

13 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

How many times did we have "oh its a bb calibre with cruiser dispersion its gonna be murder" claims and in the end dispersion is nowhere near the cruiser values, not even on balansgrad

 

Every time it was tested it had shown itself as BS and was changed/nerfed

• GC with cruiser despersion was a BS
• SG when tested in two versions, one with BB dispersion and one with cruiser despersion, the one with cruiser dispersion was such a BS

Also don't forget that, unlike SG, 380mm can overmatch 25mm. Well we will see how good guns will be once testing starts

[Aotearas]

36 minutes ago, fumtu said:

 

Every time it was tested it had shown itself as BS and was changed/nerfed

• GC with cruiser despersion was a BS
• SG when tested in two versions, one with BB dispersion and one with cruiser despersion, the one with cruiser dispersion was such a BS

Also don't forget that, unlike SG, 380mm can overmatch 25mm. Well we will see how good guns will be once testing starts

That. Up to now no big gun cruiser (or the odd BB) has gotten true cruiser dispersion because it was so obviously BS that even WG backpaddled on it in the instances they tested it.

 

Doesn't keep them from trying though, currently Georgia is being tested with cruiser dispersion formula if dataminers are to be believed (and the video I saw of the Georgia certainly looked like it) and just looking at the max dispersion and sigmal value (coupled again with an only 3x2 gun configuration) I expect them to try it just the same on the Siegfried.

 

I can only hope neither of those cases make it live because no BB caliber AP with significant overmatch capabilities (31mm overmatch on Georgia, 25mm overmatch on Siegfried) should ever have cruiser dispersion. That's a categorical "nope" from me.

[SparvieroVV]

Georgia has so many gimmicks now “to compensate” for the rifle count WG should just go all in.  Upscale the North Carolina’s 14” quad turret design for Georgia. Making it a 2 x IV 18” A-X layout. Then rename it “Mahhh Repuhhbleek” and get a special LARRY the Cable Guy captain collaboration. 

 

if the barbette is wider than the ship’s beam just call it redneck chic. 

[Verdius]

Is it just me or is Hayate a more clumsy Grozovoi without heal or Def AA?

[BruceRKF]

 

15 minutes ago, Verdius said:

Is it just me or is Hayate a more clumsy Grozovoi without heal or Def AA?

Only marginally more clumsy though, same rudder shift and 20 or 30 m radius iirc. No heal/DFAA, but better torps (not sure whether that's a good trade-off). Edit: She is also slower, of course...

Anything historical about that Hayate thing? Hopefully Thunderer doesn't get the stupid short fuse.

Also: Again only high tiers. It's getting annoying.