Discussion thread for "some interesting info around the world"

[22cm]

On 4/20/2019 at 11:54 PM, fumtu said:

What WG don't understand is that we need a T4 Premium Soviet Cruiser. We already have at least one for T2, T3, T5, T6, T7 (not released tho), T8, T9 and T10. We want that T4 premium cruiser so that we could have a complete line of Soviet premium cruisers.

Why you need that? Only for silver ships you need one for each tier, and not even then, as shown by the carrier line. This is madness. 

[fumtu]

15 minutes ago, 22cm said:

This is madness. 

 

Madness! This is Spar ... WoWS!

 

But I need T4 Soviet Cruiser .... just for research reasons.

[fumtu]

From Reddit

 

A couple things from the 0.8.4 datamine

Smolensk gets a 30mm upper belt.

Colbert gets a 50mm upper belt.

80mm main belt for colbert, 70mm for smolensk.

Both get 30mm decks.

Colbert can get 7 turrets firing at 45 degree angles, and 8 guns firing at broadside & long range.

Smolensk gets 31 degree angles for his guns.

Hill gun and torp angles are not good.

Somers torp angles are mediocre, but her gun angles are the 30 degree standard.

Slava got a new AA suite with the soviet 57mm quads, and it is now the strongest BB AA in the game by a LOT.

 

 

Armour Models:

https://imgur.com/a/X2MdkLg

 

Citadel:

https://imgur.com/a/W0m9KkY

[Panocek]

25 minutes ago, fumtu said:

Slava got a new AA suite with the soviet 57mm quads, and it is now the strongest BB AA in the game by a LOT.

 

[Aotearas]

Careful WG, you're

 

 

is showing.

[HaachamaShipping]

2 hours ago, fumtu said:

Smolensk gets a 30mm upper belt.

Colbert gets a 50mm upper belt.

80mm main belt for colbert, 70mm for smolensk.

Both get 30mm decks.

So, is the post-IFHE meta supposed to be cruisers treat each other like current high-tier USN BB? Pen extremities, mid-section is immune? Also, if overmatch gets reworked, that midsection tanks Yamato. If not, CAs citadel these ships through the bow... I wonder which one it'll be.

[piet11111]

Kinda expected Lenin to come with the patch will see on friday i guess.

[herrjott]

Vor 28 Minuten, Cagliostro_chan sagte:

So, is the post-IFHE meta supposed to be cruisers treat each other like current high-tier USN BB? Pen extremities, mid-section is immune? Also, if overmatch gets reworked, that midsection tanks Yamato. If not, CAs citadel these ships through the bow... I wonder which one it'll be.

They are working down their roadmap, those changes were announced last year.

[NothingButTheRain]

On 4/20/2019 at 11:18 PM, mariouus said:

What pancake?

 

Hilighted it for you

 

 

 

If your opponent plays a ship that is easy to play but still balanced, it doesn't affect your performance. And it doesn't affect you whatsoever if you don't even play the ship yourself.

Some people here pointed out that they wanted all ships to be of kinda equal skill level and not have ships that are easy to be average in but harder to excell in. As long as these ships are balanced, it doesn't affect you in any way. The only way in which it will affect you, is if you somehow get triggered by someone having average games with less effort (as more effort is not rewarded as well and a puny amount of effort is not punished as hard).

And if it's just you getting triggered by this, well, I don't really care as it doesn't affect my game and I don't mind playing vs a player barely more brainier then a bot 

 

And regarding responding to the rest who quoted me in this topic, I can't be bothered. Sorry! 

 

[Belustigungspanda]

I'm trying to figure out whether or not it's worth grinding for the upcoming T7 soviet premium cruiser Lazo. According to this page, you need 1500 tokens to get her, but i can't quite figure out how long the "Victory" competition is going to last.

 

It seems like we're going to need at least 188 times the minimum number of tokens gained (=> 8) or 13 times the maximum number of tokens gained (=> 121). (Being on the victorious team seems to grant an additional 4 tokens for each day.)

 

But how long does the competition last?

[mariouus]

53 minutes ago, NothingButTheRain said:

If your opponent plays a ship that is easy to play but still balanced, it doesn't affect your performance. And it doesn't affect you whatsoever if you don't even play the ship yourself.

All dependes on the notion of "balance". Essentially your notion of "balance" is that if there is 100.m sprint, there is no difference if one has to make that sprint up-hill by a steep climb, while another will make it down-hill , down a steep incline. All is fair, because both still has do run 100.meters. 

 

Tier.X has no place for a ship has dumbed down as a Conqurer. In tier.6, why not. But not in top tier and not in a PvP game. In Angry Birds, why not.

 

51 minutes ago, NothingButTheRain said:

And regarding responding to the rest who quoted me in this topic, I can't be bothered. Sorry!

Yes... we are not going do cry for long...

[fumtu]

Someone on Reddit posted a document with values of HE pen ability based on leaked info about IFHE changes

 

 

Document link

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bm7qDOcUX-_YJq5pkZcUmWnuc-AjNHuOUU2_BRO4vIE/edit#gid=1675632525

 

This changes would mean

• If HE keep 1/6 pen rule that 152mm Cruisers will suffer a huge nerf. Without IFHE they won't be able to pen any CA with 27mm armour, and with IFHE they won't be able to pen 32mm of armour. Basically IFHE would still be mandatory just now you'll get significantly less and also lose significant portion of your fire chance. If you add changes to the armour, bow reduction to 13mm but increase of side upper armour and deck armour, CLs would not be able to pen with HE side armour of other CLs without IFHE but with IFHE would be able to pen those with 30mm but not those with 50mm. This change would be really bad for high tiers CLs
• If HE get 1/5 rule, as tested Bayard, the without IFHE, CLs would be able to pen 30mm with would mean that they won't be able to pen BBs, except supestructure, but would be able to pen all other cruisers with armour up and including 30mm. With IFHE they would be able to pen 32mm. This mean that IFHE would be less required but considering that IFHE would give it a possibility to pen BB armour it would be still required but at least if you use less skilled captain you can deal some damage.

Second option is way more acceptable, first option, especially considering that bow armour would be now overmetchable with 203mm, looks really horrible and I hope WG won't go that way.

 

 

[HaachamaShipping]

203/5x1.25=50.75 

 

Just purely from competitive T10 meta, this change is kinda very interesting, as it eliminiates one of the Henri's main strengths, while making Hindenburg (provided it keeps the German HE pen) meaningful as the sole anti-50 mm ship with meaningful fire chance. Worcester and Mino usually are a rare sight anyway.

 

As for general randoms, this seems like... utterly retarded. Sure as hell, Chapayev or Donskoi weren't in a position OP enough to warrant getting hit by a plating nerf and penetration or fire chance nerf (pick your poison). Not even USN cruisers were. Like, imagine being a Chapayev, encountering a Baltimore, getting absolutely obliterated, because wtf are you going to do? Turn around? You don't survive that. Go bow-in? Get overmatched. Bait on belt? USN ricochet angles send their regards. And sure, you no longer get lolpenned by BBs if they hit your upper belt or deck, but your damage output against them got nerfed too. Meanwhile CAs got major buffs, where you wonder how they deserved those. German CAs, if they keep their HE pen become pretty solid, rest just got an HE pen buff and obviously are now much better vs light cruisers. Also, what will Mogami count as?

 

On a positive note though: Azuma might finally get some actual armour plating.

[WeGreedy]

3 hours ago, fumtu said:

If HE keep 1/6 pen rule that 152mm Cruisers will suffer a huge nerf. Without IFHE they won't be able to pen any CA with 27mm armour, and with IFHE they won't be able to pen 32mm of armour.

152 / 6 * 1.25 = 31.6¯

Which is rounded to 32 and means 32 mm penetration, according to the source.

[Panocek]

23 minutes ago, B0Tato said:

152 / 6 * 1,25 = 31,6¯

Which is rounded to 32 and means 32 mm penetration, according to the source.

32mm HE pen, which means it can penetrate 31mm, as penetration have to be greater than plating encountered for damage to happen.

 

IIRC first version of IFHE had 25% bonus which provided exactly that - you can dent up to 31mm plating, which rendered skill somewhat dubious. So WG cranked up bonus to 30%, enabling to damage 32mm plating with CL guns.

 

Welcome to the world of binary, where it either works or it doesn't. No middle ground camrade

[WolfGewehr]

10 minutes ago, Panocek said:

32mm HE pen, which means it can penetrate 31mm, as penetration have to be greater than plating encountered for damage to happen.

 

This applies to the current system. The leaks on the possible new system propose that the value calculated would be the raw penetration, instead of shatter threshold.

 

F.ex: 127/6 ~ 21, which now means 20 mm HE pen, and according to the leak, in the future it'd mean 21 mm HE pen.

[WeGreedy]

12 minutes ago, Panocek said:

32mm HE pen, which means it can penetrate 31mm, as penetration have to be greater than plating encountered for damage to happen.

Source:

Quote

ex. German 128mm secondary guns have 1/4 pen, 128/4=32, these guns will now pen 32mm rather than 31.

 

[ShinGetsu]

The issue with not allowing CLs to penetrates BBs would mean cruiser like Worcester become Worthlessester. 

 

There's literally no point playing these ship over a DM if they have to rely on RNG to get some fire while the 203-ships can farm as much as before.

Especially since fire were nerfed several time since pre-IFHE meta.

 

Currently IFHE is good enough. Yeah it deals a lot of damage but all of these ships are balanced with their damage output in mind as well.

 

Even changing penetration to 1/5 would be a false choice since you want to be able to deal direct damage instead of praying to the Fire RNG God.

[Panocek]

9 minutes ago, WolfGewehr said:

 

This applies to the current system. The leaks on the possible new system propose that the value calculated would be the raw penetration, instead of shatter threshold.

 

F.ex: 127/6 ~ 21, which now means 20 mm HE pen, and according to the leak, in the future it'd mean 21 mm HE pen.

 

8 minutes ago, B0Tato said:

Source:

 

Which... what does change solve, exactly? Akizuki 1/4 HE pen and CL guns with 1/6 HE pen and 25% bonus with this change is going to damage 32mm plating anyway, so again, what was initial plan again, besides making Wurst secondaries actually decent without truckload of skills?

 

For IFHE nerf, HE shell damage nerf could fit into what WG wanted to do with skill being tradeoff instead mandatory. Which still remains as must have, because doing *something* is still better than doing nothing.

[WeGreedy]

3 minutes ago, Panocek said:

 

Which... what does change solve, exactly? Akizuki 1/4 HE pen and CL guns with 1/6 HE pen and 25% bonus with this change is going to damage 32mm plating anyway, so again, what was initial plan again, besides making Wurst secondaries actually decent without truckload of skills?

Now:

32 means 31 mm of penetration

Then:

32 means 32 mm of penetration

 

So probably 31,6¯ also means 32 mm of penetration.

[Aotearas]

I'm hesitant to speculate on the effects of the leaked IFHE changes because I'm pretty sure I read something about hull armour getting lowered across the board (CLs get 13mm, CAs 20mm and BBs 26mm). And if that happens, I'm sure the new overmatch situation (or perhaps a new overmatch mechanic entirely) is going the more interesting thing to discuss, especially since the leaked IFHE changes would see little differences in CL damage potential if hull armour values get reduced wholesale.

 

 

Too little information yet. Though obviously if WG simply nerfs IFHE into the ground and making it both still mandatory and at the same time largely useless against BBs that'd be a shitstorm waiting to happen.

[Toivia]

I'm not sure it's really useful to speculate on new HE pen if we don't take into account all possible changes to plating and maybe even overmatch?

In other words, this rework can be huge and [edited]everything very easily or stuff can stay largely the same with some detail changes.

[El2aZeR]

Calling it now that they'll make IFHE work with rockets and/or bombs.

That'd be hilarious. 

[Aotearas]

1 minute ago, El2aZeR said:

Calling it now that they'll make IFHE work with rockets and/or bombs.

That'd be hilarious. 

Audacious IFHE carpetbombers 

[Panocek]

7 minutes ago, Aotearas said:

Audacious IFHE carpetbombers 

Pfft. IFHE Auda rockets. Maybe won't touch Wursts, but anything else might get colonized.