Discussion thread for "some interesting info around the world"

[Yedwy]

Hohoho i see on the devblog they will add t10 rentals for ranked now THAT will be interesting, especially with cvs around...

[mariouus]

1 hour ago, NothingButTheRain said:

What does this have to do with anything I said that you quoted of me? 

Yes, go read what you sayed....

 

One can choose playing a ship, one can not choose playing against a ship.

[NothingButTheRain]

7 minutes ago, mariouus said:

Yes, go read what you sayed....

 

One can choose playing a ship, one can not choose playing against a ship.

This is what I said (and what was quoted by pancake)

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This I'd really like to see! 

Adding more diversity to the game will be a good thing for the game in the long run. Adding more premiums that get removed again after a while will not really benefit the game in the long run in the same way.

So where exactly here in what I wrote did I mention adding of broken ships? 

[Gnirf]

1 hour ago, FishDogFoodShack said:

Because it is more enjoyable to grind up a line then farm a particular currency? Because grinding steel/coal is almost exclusively most efficient at t10?

Don't tell me im the only one getting sick and tired of the release schedule putting actual lines behind premiums and one-off currency ships.

You are certainly not. It is the way to go, I think that premiums sure is a way of income for Wows, but alt tech tree lines to grind is of course more interesting, more diversity for new players and something for our oldies as well. 

With the numbers of premiums in port way above those needed for practical purposes the urge to splash the cash is more limitied to very special ships.

 

After more tech trees - Pan EU and Italy for example it is easy to do alt lines /splits for several nations especially BBs/BCs but also cruisers or in f.e. RN DD case an alt line with all together different perks even if the mid tiers are similar appearncewise.

[NothingButTheRain]

8 minutes ago, Gnirf said:

You are certainly not. It is the way to go, I think that premiums sure is a way of income for Wows, but alt tech tree lines to grind is of course more interesting, more diversity for new players and something for our oldies as well. 

With the numbers of premiums in port way above those needed for practical purposes the urge to splash the cash is more limitied to very special ships.

 

After more tech trees - Pan EU and Italy for example it is easy to do alt lines /splits for several nations especially BBs/BBs but also cruisers or in f.e. RN case a alt line with all together different perks even if the mid tiers are similar appearncewise.

This here!

 

Just grinding premiums and coal is simply not enticing enough for me to continu playing the game, especially with several of my favorite gamemodes tainted by several previous design decisions made by WG (CB not being fun anymore due to stalingrad, several ops removed, few tech tree lines left for me to grind which limits my options of play, the carrier meta and on social media the excessive crying of people who claim to be DD mains along with the toxicity they bring.).

 

I did like the last ranked battles, but still only made it to rank 10 as it's just too much grind for me. And space battles were alround ok, but I'd like more PvE content.

I'm just not that hard core a PvP guy.

[HystericalAccuracy]

Just now, Yedwy said:

another cl with he and smoke?

No worries, at T10 people know how to blap deal with that.

 

My DesMo/Salem is looking fwd to see Smolensk in battle 

[HystericalAccuracy]

Just now, Yedwy said:

another cl with he and smoke?

No worries, at T10 people know how to blap deal with that.

 

My DesMo/Salem is looking fwd to see Smolensk in battle 

[Yedwy]

 

3 minutes ago, drmajga said:

No worries, at T10 people know how to blap deal with that.

Remind me why was kutuzov pulled again?

[ImperialAdmiral]

Serious question.

 

Does anyone know what Project Smolensk is? Or it is some super sekrit document ship.

 

Also I can't even imagine what shitstorm this name will cause in Polish community lol.

[Aragathor]

12 minutes ago, ImperialAdmiral said:

Serious question.

 

Does anyone know what Project Smolensk is? Or it is some super sekrit document ship.

 

Also I can't even imagine what shitstorm this name will cause in Polish community lol.

On reddit someone mentioned that it is the MLK-16-130 project, I have no idea where they got it from, as googling it leads to Martin Luther King.

 

For extra memes and rage from PL players, WG should consider adding an Iron Birch camo to this smoke cruiser.

[Panocek]

22 minutes ago, ImperialAdmiral said:

Serious question.

 

Does anyone know what Project Smolensk is? Or it is some super sekrit document ship.

 

Also I can't even imagine what shitstorm this name will cause in Polish community lol.

inb4 Macierewicz comes out of hiding and starts investigating that ship.

 

6 minutes ago, Aragathor said:

On reddit someone mentioned that it is the MLK-16-130 project, I have no idea where they got it from, as googling it leads to Martin Luther King.

 

For extra memes and rage from PL players, WG should consider adding an Iron Birch camo to this smoke cruiser.

Don't forget renaming smoke generator into fog generator

[ImperialAdmiral]

34 minutes ago, Aragathor said:

MLK-16-130 project

 

I found the graphpic but the forum where it is is down for maintenance. Looks like an artists impression though.

I wish WG could provide some more details about their ships for history enthusiasts. Especially Russian ones. References could be in Russian books, I don't care. I just want o know if it was real project or complete imagination.

 

Also found some info about Project 84 Heavy AA cruiser but it is 15000 t and guns do not match.

 

 

[rnat]

56 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

Remind me why was kutuzov pulled again?

It can't pen BB hull-plating and it can't pen cruiser-plating without speccing IFHE.

Neither does it have the massive range.

It will prolly become the new worst nightmare for DDs when played in div with a CV or DD for spotting.

[NoirLotus]

7 minutes ago, rnat said:

It can't pen BB hull-plating and it can't pen cruiser-plating without speccing IFHE.

Neither does it have the massive range.

It will prolly become the new worst nightmare for DDs when played in div with a CV or DD for spotting.

It has 130 mm guns, with AFT, the range will be close to Kutuzov... It is clearly a ship made for people who have a 19-pt captain on Kutuzov ...

 

But I agree that it will not be able to pen with HE at T10 as often as Kutuzov...

[HystericalAccuracy]

11 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

Remind me why was kutuzov pulled again?

Sure! Because the whole package was too strong. The Smolensk gets weaker guns and the same torps two tiers higher. And also 8k hp less health. I am not afraid of this ship, except i am in a DD  or CV.

 

 

And in general (not aimed at you Yedwy) I want to remind why Kutuzov got the smoke in the first place: Because the western players demanded it in forums. The ex-Soviets would have bought it anyway, because they or their relative served aboard a Chapa-/Sverdlov-cruiser (like many ´Muricans bought Alabama AND Massachusetts). And it probably would have been a ok ship. But westerners wrote in forums:

"ooh, a LIGHT cruiser at T8 which is flooded with BBs, useless"

"not gunna buy weak XP-pinata for BBs"

and demanded the ship to get smoke "or else no buy". WG listened to its customers and it went wrong. So the blame is not always on WG.

 

I don´t understand why there is always some panic as soon as new ships are announced. "Too weak, too strong, too paper, too post-war-ish" - just wait and  If it´s too strong or weak, it will get changed.

[LastButterfly]

1 hour ago, ImperialAdmiral said:

Does anyone know what Project Smolensk is?

 

1 hour ago, Aragathor said:

On reddit someone mentioned that it is the MLK-16-130 project

 

She indeed is the MLK-16-130, from the Advanced Project mini-CL serie that started with the MK-designs in the 30s - but the MLKs are the pinnacle of the serie, drafted postwar.

In short :

 

In 1930somethingwhatever, the russians try to invent a new cruiser type - the small light cruiser ! (yeah, go russia. Let's make the various designs that exist between CL and DD - Leader, Contre-Torpilleurs, Esploratori, Auflklärungkreuzern - even MORE confusing -.-"). The soviets have 2 8000t concepts by the end of 1930 : a 152mm wielding one, represented by design MK4 which carriers three double, and a 130mm one, represented by MK6 which carriers 5 doubles. The things might not be armored but they pack firepower AND speec, reaching 39kn on paper.
Around MK-4, there are MK3 and 5, variants that are respectiveley a bit lighter and heavier. However, the concept of 152mm-wielding mini-CL doesn't please back then and it's though such a combination won't allow a cruiser to achieve everything it should. MK6 becomes a bit more popular and a design takes her basis to draft a destroyer leader which will become Porject 47 - basically, Khabarovsk's ancestor. However, in April 1941, the... deputy... Commissar... Popular... eeer, important Navy Guy "Haller" talks with his staff and decides the mini-CLs are doomed to fail because "the combination of good offense, defense and speed needed for a CL cannot be achieved with such a low displacement". The MKs are abandonned, and in their wake, a new projects of 8500t starts, project 94 - which will be what you may know under the name "Budyonny".

 

 

Postwar, particularly in the 50s, OKB 72 and 5 start working on mini-CLs again, modernizing the idea. They ain't the first, a guy from TSKB 17 had started in 1946, drafting a Project 65 first, and then developping it in parallel of Project 68 - Chapayev. The project 65 mini-CL serve as a basis for a next-gen Project 6 ( that would become what Wg calls Dmitri Donskoi) ; either way, for the origina Project 65, Stain said "don't work on that [censored], just make more Project 68" and it was the end of it.
Similarly, guys from TSKB 17 and 53 teamed up in 1947 to design the advanced light cruiser, based on mini-Cl series' idea (what kind of designation is THAT ?) KRL-22. I would have lots of trouble giving infos on that one, but at some point it was equipped with 220mm and could make 38kn. Don't ask me. I don't even know why they kept calling it a light cruiser, let alone mini-CL.

 

Either way, the Аваннроектом plan (which can be translated I think as something like... "advanced project" or "next-gen project" ? Anyway, the plan of new fleet that comprises the mini-CL idea) was progressing. Specs for the new mini-CLs are being decided. they shall :
-be able to patrol
-reckon for their squadron
-crush DDs, DLs, CLs, escort ships...

-defend their allies against aircrafts and torpedoes
-help allied DDs during offenses
-be able to bombard on land to support land troops.

And be cheap, too. 8000t max this time. So they got their inspiration in DD equippement and stole some designs from Smelyy and Neustrashimyy (which once again prompts the question : can we really call these things CLs, or ain't they just a big variant of destroyer leaders after all ? THE JOYS OF CLASSIFICATIONS).

The hardest for designs was the choose the caliber. They still hesitated between 152mm and 130mm (would turn out that 130mm designs are best at crushing DDs, torps and aircrafts, but that 152mm was better at bombardement and dealing with CLs. Tell me something I don't know, russia -.-)
The serie of drafts included the following :
MLK-8-130, MLK-10-130, MLK-12-130, which were ships equipped with double 130mm turrets (4*3 for the first, 5*2 for the second, and 6*2 for the third, hence their names).
MLK-8-152 and MLK-9-152 which (suprise) were equipped with 4*2 and 3*3 152mm respectively.

 

 

And finally, MLK-16-130, with quadruple 130mm turrets in square. Smolensk. A righteous place, for an amazing desin, that comes at the end of a serie and concept that was the root or influence of many soviet ships and designs - Budyonny, Chapayev-Sverdlov-Shcherbakov superclass, Dmitir Donskoi, Khabarovks and by extension something of Udaloi aswell - anyway.

I love the MLK serie.

 

Spoiler

However I can't accept a TX Somers WHAT THE EFF ISTGHEZYGUIGZEUOIAHGHUEDFOIEURZYGIUHZFEIROEZI AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

 

[rnat]

56 minutes ago, NoirLotus said:

It has 130 mm guns, with AFT, the range will be close to Kutuzov... It is clearly a ship made for people who have a 19-pt captain on Kutuzov ...

Acutally I see no reason to put AFT on a Kutu captain other than forcing it so he can serve on the new one as well,

since she really profits form SI and DE (and so will the newcomer), IFHE and CE are a given and even if there were points MAA is much better than AFT for AA nowadays.

Then again would it even profit much from AFT ? Even with the Khaba guns the arcs at 18km would be ridiculous (and worst case one can mount range mod)

[Panocek]

1 hour ago, rnat said:

It can't pen BB hull-plating and it can't pen cruiser-plating without speccing IFHE.

Neither does it have the massive range.

It will prolly become the new worst nightmare for DDs when played in div with a CV or DD for spotting.

Grozovoi/Kebab captain, they usually go for AFT for open water shenanigans. IFHE on DD guns are less obvious pick than on CL, as you get "only" cruisers to pen and then quite a number of them gets 30mm amidship, out of reach even with Russian Bias mk.130 with IFHE

 

8 minutes ago, rnat said:

Acutally I see no reason to put AFT on a Kutu captain other than forcing it so he can serve on the new one as well,

since she really profits form SI and DE (and so will the newcomer), IFHE and CE are a given and even if there were points MAA is much better than AFT for AA nowadays.

Then again would it even profit much from AFT ? Even with the Khaba guns the arcs at 18km would be ridiculous (and worst case one can mount range mod)

Tashkent have just under 10s shell flight time at 15km, so at 18.7km I'd expect no more than 13s. If you can live with Wooster or Des Moines w/ range upgrade, you should live with that as well.

[invicta2012]

USS Hill looks interesting. A Farragut / Nicholas gunboat hybrid (and not a real ship, by the looks). Should be powerful at Tier V. 

 

Tier X cruisers look good, too : nice to see postwar cruisers showing up (hint hint, Blake). 

[SparvieroVV]

2 minutes ago, invicta2012 said:

USS Hill looks interesting. A Farragut / Nicholas gunboat hybrid (and not a real ship, by the looks). Should be powerful at Tier V. 

 

Tier X cruisers look good, too : nice to see postwar cruisers showing up (hint hint, Blake). 

From the reddit thread.

 

 

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seems very close. It has the same flush main deck, and dual thin stacks with the #3 5" gun between them, along with also being described as having 3x3 21" torpedo tubes. Further similar details are the AA platform inside the torpedo bank and the asymmetric placement of the wing torpedo launchers. Those two lips on the deck front of the superelevated 5" guns on Hill's model are also present on the drawing, and at 1525 tons normal I could easily see her making the ~1920 ton combat load cut necessary to have 12100 HP based on the formulae we have.

The only difference I can say for certain is that WG has set all the torpedo launchers (or at least the center and starboard ones) to face forwards while at least the starboard and center ones are facing aft in the drawing. There's also a decent possibility they replaced the 5"/51s the design originally used with 5"/38s given the design of the mounts on the front, but I can't say for certain.

 

[ImperialAdmiral]

@LastButterfly

 

Thank you for that. 

[invicta2012]

@SparvieroVV

 

That's interesting info, thank you. I was hoping for a five gun RN DD leader first but this looks a worthwhile design. Wallet is unlocked... 

[LastButterfly]

54 minutes ago, ImperialAdmiral said:

@LastButterfly

 

Thank you for that. 

 

You're welcome. I wrote this very hastily so there are a lot of typos (sorry about that. I'll get around and correct them asap), but it's always a pleasure to discuss obscure paperships.

 

@SparvieroVV

Interesting, so the new TV US DD would be S-584-131. Is that confirmable or just a guess ? I didn't get to see the new TV US DD up close so I couldn't check for myself just yet. It's amusing if it is cause that's the one I used to replace Nicholas in my trees. Got a tiering right for onces I guess~

[SparvieroVV]

@LastButterfly

 

I am not familiar with the design books. Tengu is usually rather particular so if he seems confident I would defer to his judgment. 

 

The main difference seems to be switching the 5”/51 to 5”/38 and making the torpedoes arc forward. If I grok correctly. Before CV rework I would have been interested in the 51 caliber however now this is probably the best choice. 

[Hades_warrior]

 

 

Well.. this Colbert sure does look like Atlanta and Worchester had a baby.