Discussion thread for "some interesting info around the world"

[HaachamaShipping]

3 hours ago, DFens_666 said:

 

Boyard meets Zao (probably works with Atago too):

 

 

IJN accuracy will help to find the sweetspot, if not, use HE

Profit

I mean, a good Zao will likely wreck any T8 cruiser, but yeah, Atago will be a pain to deal with. Also because it has 41 mm deck, so unless it already is low hp or gives a ton of broadside, Atago can just wreck your ship with bow overmatches or straight up broadside cits.

[fumtu]

Wonder if this Bayard 13mm bow is some kind of test for announced CA and CL differentiation.

[Toivia]

3 hours ago, fumtu said:

Wonder if this Bayard 13mm bow is some kind of test for announced CA and CL differentiation.

That could be it. If Bayard were not the only CL to get this ridiculously vulnerable bow, I would no longer mind so much.

 

Now whether giving all CLs that kind of extremity armour is a good idea is another debate. They'd effectively get shutdown by any CA they face.

[howardxu_23]

9 hours ago, Toivia said:

That could be it. If Bayard were not the only CL to get this ridiculously vulnerable bow, I would no longer mind so much.

 

Now whether giving all CLs that kind of extremity armour is a good idea is another debate. They'd effectively get shutdown by any CA they face.

What is the AP shell arming thresholds again? The 13mm could actually mean more over pens if broadside on.

then raises the problem that CAs often lose the DPM advantage vs CLs if the first salvo from CA is not on point.

[Panocek]

2 hours ago, howardxu_23 said:

What is the AP shell arming thresholds again? The 13mm could actually mean more over pens if broadside on.

then raises the problem that CAs often lose the DPM advantage vs CLs if the first salvo from CA is not on point.

Usually you need 1/6 of shell caliber to arm the fuse. So +-33mm effective armor should be enough for 203mm

[howardxu_23]

28 minutes ago, Panocek said:

Usually you need 1/6 of shell caliber to arm the fuse. So +-33mm effective armor should be enough for 203mm

I’m sure that is for HE shells, AP could be different.

[Panocek]

5 minutes ago, howardxu_23 said:

I’m sure that is for HE shells, AP could be different.

From wiki, though tad ancient

http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Gunnery_%26_Armor_Penetration#Armor-Piercing

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As of patch 0.3.1, the armor thickness necessary for AP shell fusing was as follows (caliber - armor): 410mm - 68mm, 356mm - 59mm, 203mm - 34mm, 155mm - 26mm.

wowsft.com and gamemodels3d also confirm 1/6 rule for AP

[fumtu]

2 hours ago, howardxu_23 said:

What is the AP shell arming thresholds again? The 13mm could actually mean more over pens if broadside on.

 

If you mean shooting at 13mm bow from a side then probably yes, that could mean more overpens. But big thing is that 203mm overmatch 13mm bow and while this could be small nerf it would also be a big buff for CAs compared to CLs. Basically if CL show broadside, CA could citadel her, if CL go bows on CA could still citadel her from nose.

 

[howardxu_23]

39 minutes ago, Panocek said:

From wiki, though tad ancient

http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Gunnery_%26_Armor_Penetration#Armor-Piercing

wowsft.com and gamemodels3d also confirm 1/6 rule for AP

I stand corrected, thanks.

[fumtu]

Georgia secondaries dispersion now have same formula as Massa's (11x/333.333+30 (x is in meter unit)) but still keeps RoF and range as standard high tiers US BBs. So secondaries better dispersion then standard US BB secondaries but worse range and RoF then Massa's secondaries.

 

Georgia main battery dispersion formula is same as Graf Spee and Large Crusiers one (8.4x/1000+48 (x is in meter)) but with 1.8 sigma. She has access to APRM2 on Slot 6 tho.

 

 

[Toivia]

Yeah, from some angles, shooting with CA AP on the bow/stern would possibly become less effective with more overpens with the 13mm change. However you already get plenty overpens if you don't hit amidships and/or the main belt. The difference is you'll be more likely to get pens from sharper angles where you currently get bounces.

 

I guess the 13mm change would make CLs far more vulnerable to CAs but also to CLs without IFHE and DDs.

[fumtu]

Bayard armour scheme and 3d model

 

https://thedailybounce.net/world-of-warships/supertest-french-tier-viii-premium-cruiser-bayard/

 

 

[SparvieroVV]

For our French experts on Le Terrible. Is there a justification of the 840 m/v change for the AP? New barrel vs mid-life wear? I'm ecstatic for the updates to the drag values as I felt they where a bit much. Mid hull saturation will be interesting to see as well.

[ColonelPete]

12 minutes ago, SparvieroVV said:

For our French experts on Le Terrible. Is there a justification of the 840 m/v change for the AP? New barrel vs mid-life wear? I'm ecstatic for the updates to the drag values as I felt they where a bit much. Mid hull saturation will be interesting to see as well.

While there were no AP shells with that value, the slightly heavier HE shells were fired with that velocity.

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNFR_55-50_m1929.php

 

Basicly it is a fantasy upgrade, but a possible one.

[SparvieroVV]

1 hour ago, ColonelPete said:

While there were no AP shells with that value, the slightly heavier HE shells were fired with that velocity.

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNFR_55-50_m1929.php

 

Basicly it is a fantasy upgrade, but a possible one.

 

Lesta seems to have let go some last vestiges of historical basis for rifles. Leone has received a rifle it never had as far as I know. The French 139.6mm has had the m/v bumped up for AP to encourage the use of AP a bit more. Etc. Hopefully this is just a typo on navweaps and Lesta is correct.

[Toivia]

Wait what? They're buffing the test Conqueror guns?! Isn't the test Conqueror actually stupidly OP because they gave it an even better heal than the normal one has (and well, you can angle to deal with the raised citadel)?

I just don't understand...

 

Like, all they had to do was raise the citadels (they're still not as high or large as those on most other ships) and compensate Monarch with possibly the normal british superheal. Done.

[1MajorKoenig]

15 minutes ago, Toivia said:

Wait what? They're buffing the test Conqueror guns?! Isn't the test Conqueror actually stupidly OP because they gave it an even better heal than the normal one has (and well, you can angle to deal with the raised citadel)?

I just don't understand...

 

Like, all they had to do was raise the citadels (they're still not as high or large as those on most other ships) and compensate Monarch with possibly the normal british superheal. Done.

 

Wait where did you get this from?

[invicta2012]

British battleship Conqueror_T, tier X:

 

The restoration of the casemate (non-citadel) damage by Repair party increased from 75% to 85%;

Sigma value increased from 1.8 to 1.9 for 419-mm guns;

Citadel's upper deck armor increased from 12 mm to 32 mm

[El2aZeR]

So for anyone that knows how to angle and WASD this is just a straight up Conqueror buff.

Just when I thought this game can't get any more hilarious.

[Chaos_Umbra]

15 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

So for anyone that knows how to angle and WASD this is just a straight up Conqueror buff.

Just when I thought this game can't get any more hilarious.

All they had to fix was the entire lines stupid HE trait that they gave them... then buff the dispersion to compensate so you can actually hit where your aiming not just the map square your aim happens to be in...

[Toivia]

I'm wondering maybe they want to get us thinking: "Actually, the good old Conq is fine compared to this OP crap".

[Tyrendian89]

1 hour ago, El2aZeR said:

So for anyone that knows how to angle and WASD this is just a straight up Conqueror buff.

Just when I thought this game can't get any more hilarious.

that isnt even what really beggars belief about this. They specifically targetted the 419mm guns for a buff while the 457s dont get anything.

[HaachamaShipping]

14 minutes ago, Tyrendian89 said:

that isnt even what really beggars belief about this. They specifically targetted the 419mm guns for a buff while the 457s dont get anything.

Tbf, it might be that they will seperate the 457s for a seperate ship, Kreml/Slava style, so they might not see a reason to adress those on Conqueror.

[Toivia]

36 minutes ago, Cagliostro_chan said:

Tbf, it might be that they will seperate the 457s for a seperate ship, Kreml/Slava style, so they might not see a reason to adress those on Conqueror.

Yeah, I hope that is why. But anyway, Conq needed a nerf for the potatoes that don't angle, not a buff for those that angle... or arguably for all at this point.

[DFens_666]

2 hours ago, El2aZeR said:

So for anyone that knows how to angle and WASD this is just a straight up Conqueror buff.

Just when I thought this game can't get any more hilarious.

 

Said it in Discord today:

Conqueror went from retard-ship to Pro-Pwnz0r. Noobs will fail because they get citadelled, and good players which can avoid receiving citadel damage will wreck everything. Who knows if future CBs arent played with more Conquerors because it will be so OP I can see that happen. Only problem might be CVs ?