Discussion thread for "some interesting info around the world"

[fumtu]

Somebody on Reddit posted a screenshots from stream of new ships

 

https://imgur.com/gallery/gzNPV2I

 

 

[HaachamaShipping]

45 minutes ago, fumtu said:

So Yudachi will probably be equipped with DW torpedoes with shorter range than Asashio. Maybe the will be able to hit Cruisers too.

Hopefully they will be able to, because we really don't need more of these silly super DWT DDs.

[El2aZeR]

Guys...

What if they just give her.

you know,

REGULAR TORPS

but actually good ones?

 

I probably just blew someone's mind over at WG.

Also obligatory poi.

[Gnirf]

Is the Italian playerbase so small that they can not have a single line before FRench get 3? By all means French DDs are interesting but a widening of tech trees should also be a priority.

 

[Bics93]

That Bayard is interesting: seems a modernized De Grasse with 4x3 152mm and main reload booster...

HYPE  

[fumtu]

Another one from a Reddit about Bayard

 

 

 

[fumtu]

While it is nice to see that Benham class in the game, and I don't have anything against USS Benham, I think that WG should either choose USS Sterett, the from the same class which earned 12 battle stars and two Presidential Unit Citations or USS Maury, one of the most decorated USN Destroyers with 16 battle stars. I think that WG sometimes choose these premium ships quite poorly.

 

I hope that it won't be for Steel, like Neustra and Black, but either Coal or FXP.

[Panocek]

2 hours ago, El2aZeR said:

Guys...

What if they just give her.

you know,

REGULAR TORPS

but actually good ones?

 

I probably just blew someone's mind over at WG.

Also obligatory poi.

Only if there would be fun and balanced IJN destroyer, without gimmicks all over the place... archives mention something, somesuch... Fubuki? Tier 8? 

[fumtu]

16 minutes ago, Panocek said:

Only if there would be fun and balanced IJN destroyer, without gimmicks all over the place... archives mention something, somesuch... Fubuki? Tier 8?

 

Even if we don't count Kami as it is not available for purchase, there is one fun and balanced and even better it is "free" - Shinonome.

[invicta2012]

French Destroyers? A full line of 'em?  With No SmokeBut MBRB and Spood Beast?........................

[anonym_XGuN6pHmfiJ9]

2 hours ago, Gnirf said:

Is the Italian playerbase so small that they can not have a single line before FRench get 3? By all means French DDs are interesting but a widening of tech trees should also be a priority

Didn't WG already say that the problem lays with the Italians. That they aren't that keen on given the plans of the wanted ships.

 

Just saying it takes 2 to tango. And WG probably has to have permission to even have the ships in to the game

[Toivia]

Ok, there seems a lot to research, but fast first impressions:

 - French DD line? Great, France deserves more attention for their navy (umm, yes, I'm bloody pissed about still not seeing the beatiful italian designs in regular lines ).

 - Another premium T9? And another US one? Eh... couldn't germans get something? US has had Missouri, Alaska, Black. Two of those still available. Germans still have nada.

[creamgravy]

French DDs - Is this the first time WG have got all the tiers historically correct on a line!?!? Blimey, thumbs up from me! (not 100% sold on the Le Terrible style gimmick/balance)

Yūdachi - Finally! About time we had another good t7 torp boat, it better be able to hit Fiji/Belfast in smoke though....

Benham - Should be a tier 8 Mahan with those 9.2km, 55 knot torpedoes. Will never compete with Fletcher (5 guns, quintuple launchers with quad reload error, beta turning circle etc)

[invicta2012]

24 minutes ago, creamgravy said:

(not 100% sold on the Le Terrible style gimmick/balance)

Me neither. They're not that fast, below Le Fantasque; Aigle seems quick but she's only 36 knots and even with Speed Boost that's not quite fast enough to be notable.

 

I would expect them to go with smoke below T7, once the testing begins.

[SparvieroVV]

7 hours ago, Nibloke said:

Didn't WG already say that the problem lays with the Italians. That they aren't that keen on given the plans of the wanted ships.

 

Just saying it takes 2 to tango. And WG probably has to have permission to even have the ships in to the game

Same issue as with the UK MoD. So seeing as the dance partner in both cases was Lesta they should shoulder much of the blame for not planning properly in the first place.

 

[FishDogFoodShack]

6 hours ago, SparvieroVV said:

Same issue as with the UK MoD. So seeing as the dance partner in both cases was Lesta they should shoulder much of the blame for not planning properly in the first place.

 

Horseshit. We know for a fact that the UK was actually quite open with their archives, it just didn't line up with what WG wanted. They chose to not go through with what they got from the archives so that they could theorycraft some HE bbs instead.

 

Besides, they've has proven that they have absolutely no qualms about just making crap up (RU bbs), regardless of how [edited]ridiculous it is (Lyon). Considering how joyless these French dds seem to be, it seems to me that it was just easier for them. Why put effort into a line of Italian Heavy cruisers when you can copy/paste the french gimmick into the line they don't have yet? regardless of the fact that that gimmick is self-destructively worthless for that class of ships?

 

It is laziness, plain and simple.

[CptBarney]

They should of given poi, 8km torps with smoke and maybe MRBR. Or maybe a really good AA suite along with any of those three options.

 

the asashio thing is lazy.

 

also tier 10 prem russian bb is interesting especially since the line hasnt been released yet. (apperantly a go navy event or something similar will be planned for that)

[Gnirf]

14 hours ago, Nibloke said:

Didn't WG already say that the problem lays with the Italians. That they aren't that keen on given the plans of the wanted ships.

 

Just saying it takes 2 to tango. And WG probably has to have permission to even have the ships in to the game

As you mention it, I think they did. But perhaps it could be wise to give us an update even if they do not want to present their further tech tree plans so much (well they have presented Pan-european) they at least can say if there are still those obstacles around so they have to postpone it, they have at least fixed 4 ships for some sources + 1 DD in progress.

[Makoniel]

14 hours ago, creamgravy said:

French DDs - Is this the first time WG have got all the tiers historically correct on a line!?!? Blimey, thumbs up from me! (not 100% sold on the Le Terrible style gimmick/balance)

 

I keep seeing people say the tiers are historically correct. Why? The TX never existed again. The improved Mogador class was never laid down. And both Mogador sank in 1942, never receiving the fantasy tripod mast + radar. So I'm really wondering why the Mogador itself isn't TX, as the improvements over it are not relevant in game.
(And, Actually the first 100% historically correct line is RN DDs, which, if I remember correctly, do not have any papership in. Aand, of course, US Carriers.) 

[invicta2012]

Mogador didn't work very well - Kleber was intended to fix the issues (most particularly with her electrical generators, which were woefully underpowered and hampered turret traverse and the like). She's a well documented improved Mogador and a perfect fit for Tier X, IMHO.  

[fumtu]

1 hour ago, Okitank said:

I keep seeing people say the tiers are historically correct. Why? The TX never existed again. The improved Mogador class was never laid down. And both Mogador sank in 1942, never receiving the fantasy tripod mast + radar. So I'm really wondering why the Mogador itself isn't TX, as the improvements over it are not relevant in game.

 

You have to take into consideration that unlike US or UK, French didn't have a chance to build ships during the better part of WW2 simply because they were occupied. And it is not like it is completely imaginary class too

 

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Four improved Mogador-class ships were ordered in 1939 to be named Kléber, Desaix, Hoche and Marceau, but their construction was suspended due to the start of World War II. Their design was continually modified in light of wartime experience, but the original plan for dual-purpose 130 mm (5.1 in) guns had to shelved when it became apparent that they could not be developed in a timely manner, and they reverted to the main armament of the Mogadors. The anti-aircraft armament was reinforced with the substitution of four 100 mm (3.9 in) anti-aircraft guns for the single twin 37 mm mount. But these plans came to nought when France surrendered in June 1940.

 

I don't see any issue with this, 8 real and one planned ships is still better then some other lines.

 

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(And, Actually the first 100% historically correct line is RN DDs, which, if I remember correctly, do not have any papership in. Aand, of course, US Carriers.) 

 

Actually IJN Torpedo Destroyers line is also 100% correct line. USN CVs, RN DDs and RN CVs are other lines composed of all built ships. US BBs, US DDs and IJN CVs only have one paper design. So French DD line is quite good considering its historical accuracy.  

[invicta2012]

Are there paper ships in the USN DD line? Doesn't seem to be any need for that, given that they had more DDs than everyone else, ever.

[Aragathor]

1 minute ago, invicta2012 said:

Are there paper ships in the USN DD line? Doesn't seem to be any need for that, given that they had more DDs than everyone else, ever.

Nicholas is a 1919 design study for an enlarged Clemson based destroyer leader.

[fumtu]

Just now, invicta2012 said:

Are there paper ships in the USN DD line? Doesn't seem to be any need for that, given that they had more DDs than everyone else, ever.

 

Nicolas is a paper ship. There is a problem to get proper T5 as there was quite a long pause between Clemson and Farragut classes. 

[invicta2012]

Ah, I thought she was some proposed upgrade of the Clemson class USS Nicholas....