[BYOB] Aragathor Players 7,047 posts 32,314 battles Report post #13876 Posted February 15, 2019 1 hour ago, ImperialAdmiral said: One good game doesn't make this ship special. I think yesterday I saw Flamu playing it and it melted while being angled all the time in basically 3-4 Kaiser salvos. Saw Flamu in the changed VU, a Bretagne fired two salvos and wrecked him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[T-N-T] Toivia Players 4,019 posts 23,935 battles Report post #13877 Posted February 15, 2019 Yup, as others have mentioned, VU seems to melt the moment any BB (including T4) looks at it. Meanwhile it's like the slowest BB on T5 and has by far lowest HP. I fail to see its point. Against cruisers other BBs like Konig and New York can do the same with 10 guns. Nerf it if you must (which yes, the original version on T4 was too strong), but keep it at T4. There the (lack of) speed isn't really an issue, the health and inflexibility in general neither. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-TPF-] invicta2012 Players 6,382 posts 26,850 battles Report post #13878 Posted February 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Aragathor said: Where are the bottom tier battles? Playing against T4 potatoes with a 19p captain is overkill in any ship. It is, but you can see what the ship does to T4 opponents, captain skills or no. It's one of those things where the real-life shortcomings of the ship (too small, too slow) become an advantage in WoWs, because it can turn swiftly and deliver 12 gun salvos against tissue paper enemy ships it wouldn't have come within 5 miles of in reality. 2 hours ago, Aragathor said: I want to see the ship against T6 & T7 enemies, where most of T5 ships are. Where a T6 cv just takes a dump on him, where taking two torps from a DD means death, where his shells just bounce off against armored enemies. It's easy to pick two top tier games and claim "it's OP!". Viable and useful in T7? Show it. I don't see it working either, but the sudden zoom from facing first generation dreadnoughts at Tier III to 1930s designs at Tier V is one of the fundamental problems of the game. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[JUNK] Affeks [JUNK] Beta Tester 1,934 posts 8,416 battles Report post #13879 Posted February 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Humorpalanta said: Sooo... Neutrashimy gets good concealment, good 10 km torps, spood beast, retard heal aaaaand Def AA. Why? Cos it's russian. Well fuckin balanced... When you thought it couldn't urinate on so many IJN DDs, it actually does on all of them. Beats Shima and Yogumo in torps, can pick a fight with gun IJN DDs AND heal back their damage... and of course just for fun rapes AA built DDs by having Def AA. And naturally has smoke. It should get a radar too... I dont think that it got the mega heal because its russian... Black got game breaking radar, Neustra is just really tanky. It has nothing to do with nation, its just WG trying to justify it being sold for steel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Humorpalanta ∞ Players 2,025 posts 13,785 battles Report post #13880 Posted February 15, 2019 5 minutes ago, Affeks said: I dont think that it got the mega heal because its russian... Black got game breaking radar, Neustra is just really tanky. It has nothing to do with nation, its just WG trying to justify it being sold for steel. How Yuro explains Moskva guns, it's perfectly fits Neustra. (Not guns). Other DDs have to choose between smoke or heal, speed or AA, guns or torps, because it is russian, it gets all of them. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BYOB] Aragathor Players 7,047 posts 32,314 battles Report post #13881 Posted February 15, 2019 35 minutes ago, Toivia said: Yup, as others have mentioned, VU seems to melt the moment any BB (including T4) looks at it. Meanwhile it's like the slowest BB on T5 and has by far lowest HP. I fail to see its point. Against cruisers other BBs like Konig and New York can do the same with 10 guns. Nerf it if you must (which yes, the original version on T4 was too strong), but keep it at T4. There the (lack of) speed isn't really an issue, the health and inflexibility in general neither. Wyoming has 12 guns at T4, the sigma is 1.5. I've kept it for lulz. Also VU has less HP than every silver T4 BB. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OCTO] Zen71_sniper [OCTO] Players 1,268 posts 36,626 battles Report post #13882 Posted February 16, 2019 Why oh why is VU German ship? What happened with Pan European idea? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BYOB] Aragathor Players 7,047 posts 32,314 battles Report post #13883 Posted February 16, 2019 3 hours ago, Zen71_sniper said: Why oh why is VU German ship? What happened with Pan European idea? Nothing, the ship is in testing and will be changed to pan-European when released. AFAIK the same thing was done with Nueve de Julio, and only player reaction made the Boise appear as a stand alone USN ship. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,177 battles Report post #13884 Posted February 16, 2019 It will be German, UNTIL there is a Pan European Tree. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NAN0] HaachamaShipping Players 8,474 posts 10,052 battles Report post #13885 Posted February 16, 2019 15 hours ago, invicta2012 said: It is, but you can see what the ship does to T4 opponents, captain skills or no. It's one of those things where the real-life shortcomings of the ship (too small, too slow) become an advantage in WoWs, because it can turn swiftly and deliver 12 gun salvos against tissue paper enemy ships it wouldn't have come within 5 miles of in reality. Wyoming can deliver 12 gun salvos and isn't considered OP. And being able to turn swiftly basically mitigates torp risks. It doesn't mitigate anything when you play against people who actually know how to aim and where to shoot. An Ishizuchi for example, if it doesn't broadside and eat 4 citadels like in the clip, would just load HE and then proceed to just utterly devastate the VU regardless of angling. If the original T4 version had been nerfed in its concealment and armour values, it would've made a decent T4. Now it makes a crappy T5. One that is even more outclassed vs T6 and T7 than the usual T5. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BYOB] Aragathor Players 7,047 posts 32,314 battles Report post #13886 Posted February 16, 2019 2 hours ago, ColonelPete said: It will be German, UNTIL there is a Pan European Tree. I can already the see the fallout of such a decision. Good thing you are not a WG employee that can decide it. When and if VU gets released, it will most likely released as a Pan-European ship. 44 minutes ago, Seiranko said: Wyoming can deliver 12 gun salvos and isn't considered OP. And being able to turn swiftly basically mitigates torp risks. It doesn't mitigate anything when you play against people who actually know how to aim and where to shoot. An Ishizuchi for example, if it doesn't broadside and eat 4 citadels like in the clip, would just load HE and then proceed to just utterly devastate the VU regardless of angling. If the original T4 version had been nerfed in its concealment and armour values, it would've made a decent T4. Now it makes a crappy T5. One that is even more outclassed vs T6 and T7 than the usual T5. Just for lulz: 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NAN0] HaachamaShipping Players 8,474 posts 10,052 battles Report post #13887 Posted February 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, Aragathor said: Just for lulz: And you can repair 40% of these pens. Not 50% like normal or 60% like RN, but 40%! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BYOB] Aragathor Players 7,047 posts 32,314 battles Report post #13888 Posted February 16, 2019 17 minutes ago, Seiranko said: And you can repair 40% of these pens. Not 50% like normal or 60% like RN, but 40%! It would be clearly OP otherwise. Flamu summed the ship nicely with "oof". How's the VU? Oof... Does it play well? Oof... Can it tank? Oof... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NAN0] HaachamaShipping Players 8,474 posts 10,052 battles Report post #13889 Posted February 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Aragathor said: It would be clearly OP otherwise. Flamu summed the ship nicely with "oof". How's the VU? Oof... Does it play well? Oof... Can it tank? Oof... It can turn! 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,177 battles Report post #13890 Posted February 16, 2019 They should put her back to Tier IV. I do not see much of a problem balancing her there. Most of the work can be done in 5 minutes. They just need to tone down some of the insane stats. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[UNICS] loppantorkel Players 4,506 posts 15,942 battles Report post #13891 Posted February 16, 2019 I've heard a certain Montenegrian has come back from the rehabilitation center Congrats! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FAILS] BruceRKF Players 1,077 posts 27,204 battles Report post #13892 Posted February 21, 2019 Never seen this thread that far back (it was on page four!) So, new t9 US BB Iowa-like thing with 3x2 457 mm guns. Not a fan right now, mainly because she looks distinctly strange. And actual citadels for Monarch (which gets an improved heal to compensate) and Conqueror. That is a good thing, I guess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NIKE] Xevious_Red Beta Tester 3,412 posts 7,888 battles Report post #13893 Posted February 21, 2019 It also has odd AA - 50% reinforcement with a 5 sec switch time, which makes it DD level switching/buffing. The number of bursts are BB level, but the damage of each is pretty low. Odd ship. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FAILS] BruceRKF Players 1,077 posts 27,204 battles Report post #13894 Posted February 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Xevious_Red said: It also has odd AA - 50% reinforcement with a 5 sec switch time, which makes it DD level switching/buffing. The number of bursts are BB level, but the damage of each is pretty low. Odd ship. Didn't even notice that. Makes it even weirder and doesn't make any sense as well, imo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NED] piet11111 Players 2,225 posts 8,827 battles Report post #13895 Posted February 21, 2019 And it still wont have yamato overpen i guess ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FAILS] BruceRKF Players 1,077 posts 27,204 battles Report post #13896 Posted February 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, piet11111 said: And it still wont have yamato overpen i guess ? Nope, .1 of an inch off, as always ;) You get overmatch against some t10 30 mm cruiser plating, but that's about it. Overall not worth losing 3 barrels and 5k health. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NED] piet11111 Players 2,225 posts 8,827 battles Report post #13897 Posted February 21, 2019 So unless it has incredible accuracy and fantastic reload it does not have much reason to exist. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[POMF] Verdius Beta Tester 1,989 posts 4,247 battles Report post #13898 Posted February 21, 2019 Don't forget that Georgia has superheavy shells so it will likely get the improved pen angles. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FAILS] BruceRKF Players 1,077 posts 27,204 battles Report post #13899 Posted February 21, 2019 Just now, Verdius said: Don't forget that Georgia has superheavy shells so it will likely get the improved pen angles. It is only the heavy cruisers that get improved pen angles though (so far). High tier 406 mm US BBs also have super heavy shells, but no improved pen angles. Could be a gimmick for this ship, but that might make it a bit too strong against cruisers, overmatch+pen angles, so even angling would be pointless in many cases. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] Aotearas Players 8,460 posts 13,076 battles Report post #13900 Posted February 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Verdius said: Don't forget that Georgia has superheavy shells so it will likely get the improved pen angles. Iowa also has super-heavy shells. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
