Discussion thread for "some interesting info around the world"

[DFens_666]

Ah just [edited]off with your cruiser shredders WG

Funny how he says that ship is so much fun to play - untill you are on the receiving end of it, then, not so much fun anymore. THats why i dont understand the whine about so many things anyway. Certain streamers/YTers are whining when being radared in a DD, next game they play Worcester themselves and bitchslap the enemy DD left and right and run their mouthes about how awesome it is, usually with some insults going along

 

What you gonna do if you get too close to that thing and you arent in a Cruiser which can tank his shells? There is no way out basicly. Stop and revers = overmatch. Turn around = reloadbooster. Rush him = still overmatch probably compared with reloadbooster so you wont get him

[_DeathWing_]

1 hour ago, Toivia said:

seems like a candidate for another Steel ship, at this point

Think she will be available for coal like Salem but far more expensive. 

[HaachamaShipping]

1 hour ago, Toivia said:

Yeah, was watching Flamu's stream and Bourgogne definitely is very strong (seems like a candidate for another Steel ship, at this point).

On the other hand, he sure didn't have much luck with Jean Bart.

Should've seen Flambass...

[Humorpalanta]

21 hours ago, ForlornSailor said:

 

As a reward for handing over full control over your credit card to WG perhaps?

In a relationSHIP there is no yours, there is no mine, there is only OURS.

[Aragathor]

36 minutes ago, Riselotte said:

Should've seen Flambass...

That was a hilarious video. For anyone interested:

 

Spoiler

 

 

[Humorpalanta]

So WTF?

 

Ever since I payed for this game they changed:

- Reworked spotting

- Added radar

- Reworked smoke

- Reworked torpedoes

- Now they rework CVs

- Rework AA

- Rework Hydro

- Rework Radar

 

Sooo. What is left from the game I actually paid for? Thank God I live in the EU. Time to sue to get my money back.

[orzel286]

29 minutes ago, Humorpalanta said:

So WTF?

 

Ever since I payed for this game they changed:

- Reworked spotting

- Added radar

- Reworked smoke

- Reworked torpedoes

- Now they rework CVs

- Rework AA

- Rework Hydro

- Rework Radar

 

Sooo. What is left from the game I actually paid for? Thank God I live in the EU. Time to sue to get my money back.

Don't forget submarines. Never forget submarines.

 

On top of being completely burned out, nothing in sight regarding coop changes and wg making stupid decisions I just don't like playing this game anymore.

[El2aZeR]

30 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

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Inb4 return of bastion mode, weeb edition. 

Seriously tho

[Toivia]

4 hours ago, DFens_666 said:

Ah just [edited]off with your cruiser shredders WG

Funny how he says that ship is so much fun to play - untill you are on the receiving end of it, then, not so much fun anymore. THats why i dont understand the whine about so many things anyway. Certain streamers/YTers are whining when being radared in a DD, next game they play Worcester themselves and bitchslap the enemy DD left and right and run their mouthes about how awesome it is, usually with some insults going along

 

What you gonna do if you get too close to that thing and you arent in a Cruiser which can tank his shells? There is no way out basicly. Stop and revers = overmatch. Turn around = reloadbooster. Rush him = still overmatch probably compared with reloadbooster so you wont get him

Well, that's why Flamu considers the Bourgogne probably a tad on the OP side. Usually anything that is OP is very fun to play. And even playing a RN BB and setting 3 fires after enemy repairs a fire is very fun. Obviously none of that is fun for the enemies.

That's why at least the sensible CCs consider Worcester OP, same with Harugumo, etc.

Now Bourgogne still can be countered, it is basically paper compared to all other T10 BBs. And an angled Hindenburg - or Des Moines, etc. -  laughs in its face (you have no idea how "fun" it is to be on the receiving end of a Hindenburg HE spam in a french BB).

I suppose an obvious nerf that presents itself is toning the speed down (or you know, nerfing reload booster, like that is ever gonna happen ). Then it can't even easily avoid being spammed to death, so -> glass cannon.

 

3 hours ago, Riselotte said:

Should've seen Flambass...

Before I watch the above linked video, I gotta say I caught one battle on his stream with Bourgogne and despite his constant crying (Flambass reminds me a lot of myself with how agitaded he gets whenever something doesn't quite work, only I start lashing out if bad luck continues, he handles that better in the end) about dispersion, it also did pretty well.

 

3 hours ago, _DeathWing_ said:

Think she will be available for coal like Salem but far more expensive. 

 

That'd be nice (not the expensive part). I could be tempted by a better Alsace for coal, unlike with the Salem that I simply do not care about along with all US CA/CLs.

[HaachamaShipping]

13 minutes ago, Toivia said:

Before I watch the above linked video, I gotta say I caught one battle on his stream with Bourgogne and despite his constant crying (Flambass reminds me a lot of myself with how agitaded he gets whenever something doesn't quite work, only I start lashing out if bad luck continues, he handles that better in the end) about dispersion, it also did pretty well.

Flambass gets pretty loud and agitated in the vid. But it's certainly not lashing out.

15 minutes ago, Toivia said:

Now Bourgogne still can be countered, it is basically paper compared to all other T10 BBs. And an angled Hindenburg - or Des Moines, etc. -  laughs in its face (you have no idea how "fun" it is to be on the receiving end of a Hindenburg HE spam in a french BB).

There's no BB as deadly to Hindenburg as a Republique. None. And there's little satisfaction in spamming a BB with "lol 50 mm pen" HE, when every other T10 cruiser can pen it too with HE (except Mino. for obvious reasons), but all other cruisers have good HE shells, while Hindenburg has only a decent RoF. Compared to Worcester, Zao, Des Moines, the Hindenburg isn't really that much of a Republique killer. Well, unless you give it broadside to get AP spammed...

[Toivia]

I was talking about Richelieu, Jean Bart, Alsace and Bourgogne. You know, mainly Jean Bart and Bourgogne, the ships being tested now. République is a different animal that doesn't care about 27mm (and 30mm) cruiser armor.

32 minutes ago, Riselotte said:

Flambass gets pretty loud and agitated in the vid. But it's certainly not lashing out.

I said that I do lash out, unlike him.

EDIT: Oh damn, I didn't expect that kind of agitation. Well yeah, needs a nerf. (Also, that really isn't how I get playing the game, I only get whiney, crybaby-ish etc.)

[HaachamaShipping]

1 hour ago, Toivia said:

I was talking about Richelieu, Jean Bart, Alsace and Bourgogne. You know, mainly Jean Bart and Bourgogne, the ships being tested now. République is a different animal that doesn't care about 27mm (and 30mm) cruiser armor.

I can imagine it sucks, but to be fair, all these BBs bounce just as much off Des Moines and almost as much off Zao. Worcester side can get overmatched, Worcester deck is 30 mm. As Hindenburg, you love seeing these BB though, because they cannot overmatch you at all and 32 mm not only means HE pens (where as Hindi you really stop caring as you just assume you can pen any deck), but also easy AP pens if the armour isn't angled. Same with RN ships (which often just shoot HE back and you really won't win a dpm contest against Hindenburg that way), you can do silly numbers from regular pens on Conqueror's upper belt with AP, as is possible with Yamato upper belt (32 mm) and at times with Montana. Kurfürst is the hardest to pen like this, at range better aim for superstructure or load HE. Really, the Hindenburg HE is propped up by RoF, but if after a game you only have HE and fire damage, you either got outplayed by enemies hard or you outplayed yourself, because you cannot pull your T10 weight with pure HE spam. Hindenburg isn't some utility cruiser like the USN or Moskva, or long range HE harasser like Zao, it has to perform in dpm and actual map presence to make up for it and not just selling itself short for taking up a T10 cruiser slot.

[ForlornSailor]

2 hours ago, Toivia said:

I was talking about Richelieu, Jean Bart, Alsace and Bourgogne.

 

Bourgogne actually has the speed to outrun Hindenburg - and doesnt it even have better concealment? I dont have the numbers right now, but I think it is.

[Toivia]

20 minutes ago, Riselotte said:

I can imagine it sucks, but to be fair, all these BBs bounce just as much off Des Moines and almost as much off Zao. Worcester side can get overmatched, Worcester deck is 30 mm. As Hindenburg, you love seeing these BB though, because they cannot overmatch you at all and 32 mm not only means HE pens (where as Hindi you really stop caring as you just assume you can pen any deck), but also easy AP pens if the armour isn't angled. Same with RN ships (which often just shoot HE back and you really won't win a dpm contest against Hindenburg that way), you can do silly numbers from regular pens on Conqueror's upper belt with AP, as is possible with Yamato upper belt (32 mm) and at times with Montana. Kurfürst is the hardest to pen like this, at range better aim for superstructure or load HE. Really, the Hindenburg HE is propped up by RoF, but if after a game you only have HE and fire damage, you either got outplayed by enemies hard or you outplayed yourself, because you cannot pull your T10 weight with pure HE spam. Hindenburg isn't some utility cruiser like the USN or Moskva, or long range HE harasser like Zao, it has to perform in dpm and actual map presence to make up for it and not just selling itself short for taking up a T10 cruiser slot.

I'd pretty much agree with that assessment, except one thing: The reason I specifically first brought up Hindenburg as a nemesis to french 380mm gun equipped BBs is the fact it can comfortaby engage at range (in addition to the DPM and fire starting ability). Des Moines or Worcester can't so reliably. French BBs are fairly mobile. Zao, Henri IV or Moskva also can, but they either lack the DPM or the sturdiness against those 380mm compared to Hindy.

So yeah, when I see a Hindy in my Alsace, I scream and run (last battle thankfully there was a Shima that cooperated with me, outflanked him and forced him to show broadside with his torp volleys).

 

11 minutes ago, ForlornSailor said:

 

Bourgogne actually has the speed to outrun Hindenburg - and doesnt it even have better concealment? I dont have the numbers right now, but I think it is.

It should be higher by about 400-500 meters I believe. But yes, that speed is ridiculous and I believe the first thing that needs to go. Speed boost needs to be the usual 8% only, not the 15%. It will still ourun the german cruisers, but not ridiculously so. And other cruisers could catch it and farm it.

I guess that concealment is another potential area for nerfs...

[Spunyarn]

I was curious about the DMM Camouflage so I did the same thing as I did with Azur Lane of finding a camouflage I have which has the same sort of tiling (so things would repeat the same number of times), making a copy of the camouflage I wanted to preview with the name of the camouflage I was replacing, and copy-pasting the colour scheme (in camouflages.xml) of the camouflage I was previewing over that of the one I was replacing.

 

First comment is that they seem to have actually done a proper job of this one, unlike with the Azur Lane temporary camouflage. I opened the dds textures and then exported them as jpgs so you can see the contrast.

 

Azur Lane looks like this...

Spoiler

 

...fairly simple red-shapes (marking where one colour of the scheme will be applied) with no fading or shading and no blue or green (to mark the other colours).

EDIT: What the  was I talking about... by the above I should have said "fairly simple green shapes to mark where the red of the colour scheme is applied on a red background that marks where the black of the colour scheme is applied. No blue to mark another colour and no black to mark where none of those three colours should be applied, so no fading to black to fade to transparent".

 

DMM though looks like this...

Spoiler

 

...much more complex pattern, shading to black to make the colours of the scheme fade to transparent, and uses red, blue, and green.

 

Mounting the texture on different ships gave different results; this could be partially due to my method but it does look like the way things are designed you are intended to get the variation rather than all ships looking the same.

Spoiler

 

 

You can see how the spot doesn't appear on the Minotaur from that angle, but is prominent on the Conqueror. You can also see how the colours fade rather than being sharp-edged and how complex the circles (like the patterns in a sand-garden) are. If anything the colour scheme is a little too subtle, when I looked to check I'd renamed the texture file right before I extracted and edited a fresh copy of camouflages.xml and it was still using the other colour scheme the patterns showed up stronger, but looks nice.

[JG4_sKylon]

Did WG announce how we could get our hands on JBart / Bourgogne?

Free XP, coal or steel?

[NothingButTheRain]

47 minutes ago, JG4_sKylon said:

Did WG announce how we could get our hands on JBart / Bourgogne?

Free XP, coal or steel?

I'm hoping the Bourgogne will be for coal or for fxp. we could use a French freemium that is outside the clan battles and ranked, they already gotten stuff like superpermacamos and the OP stalingrad and the cool pirate flags and such 

[Strapps]

Possible introduction of a third level of consumables? Screenshot below taken from The Daily Bounce report on the Vanguard going into super-test, images sourced from gamemodels3d.com, which appears to be a data scraping site for multiple titles.

 

 

The tooltips for the bottom two images are "Damage Control Party III" and "Repair Party III". Could this be the gimmick for Vanguard or a new credit sink for players holding millions in the bank?

[FooFaFie]

22 minutes ago, Strappster said:

Possible introduction of a third level of consumables? Screenshot below taken from The Daily Bounce report on the Vanguard going into super-test, images sourced from gamemodels3d.com, which appears to be a data scraping site for multiple titles.

 

 

The tooltips for the bottom two images are "Damage Control Party III" and "Repair Party III". Could this be the gimmick for Vanguard or a new credit sink for players holding millions in the bank?

I read it could be permanent consumables. Not better but you only pay (probably doubloons or even free in supercontainers= my own interpretation) for them once. 

[Aragathor]

1 minute ago, FooFaFie said:

I read you could be permanent consumables. Not better but you only pay (probably doubloons or even free in supercontainers= my own interpretation) for them once. 

Possibly coal too... WG has a lot of options now to create such things.

[Kartoffelmos]

46 minutes ago, Leo_Apollo11 said:

How true / accurate is the above (please discuss in Discussion thread for "some interesting info around the world)"?

 

Isn't this common knowledge though? What they have done is to plot the firing ranges of different battleships against the maximum horizontal dispersion and performed a linear regression on the result.

It is very accurate when used on everything except close-range, since ships (BBs mainly due to WG's constant pandering) have a different accuracy curve at this range.

 

You even wrote so yourself, you pancake! 

 

The unique part is the exceptions, I suppose, since those might be more tricky to calculate depending on the number of samples. With Zao for instance, you only need to mount the range mod and you'll get your data but with the Mikasa? There might be some information about dispersion values in the game files for these ships (and secondaries) .

[Leo_Apollo11]

Hi all,

 

1 hour ago, Kartoffelmos said:

 

Isn't this common knowledge though? What they have done is to plot the firing ranges of different battleships against the maximum horizontal dispersion and performed a linear regression on the result.

It is very accurate when used on everything except close-range, since ships (BBs mainly due to WG's constant pandering) have a different accuracy curve at this range.

 

You even wrote so yourself, you pancake! 

 

The unique part is the exceptions, I suppose, since those might be more tricky to calculate depending on the number of samples. With Zao for instance, you only need to mount the range mod and you'll get your data but with the Mikasa? There might be some information about dispersion values in the game files for these ships (and secondaries) .

 

My old "Unified" thread is really old now... and God know what has changed since... that's why I asked...

 

 

Leo "Apollo11"

[Atorpad]

2 hours ago, FooFaFie said:

I read it could be permanent consumables. Not better but you only pay (probably doubloons or even free in supercontainers= my own interpretation) for them once. 

or maybe p2w consumable!

[loppantorkel]

...yea, a third, higher tier of consumables seems like a bad route to go down imo. You got the ignorant running no camo + standard consumables, then I believe most are running a few premium consumables every game, but a third, higher tier...? It's closing in to p2w territory like premium ammo, if that's what they're considering. I'm not opposed to the current situation with a small bonus in some areas that you can take advantage of, but I dislike if the advantage becomes too strong and obvious. I'd feel I'd be cheating or taken advantage of. If the fairness of the game would start to evaporate, I think I'd be gone too. Still only speculation what this could mean.

[NothingButTheRain]

Noone mentioned the halloween event?

 

Apparently hard mode is finally gonna be tested using it 

Also some new camos will be coming to some of the tech tree ships. I'm curious to see if the old ones will be made available again