[SM0KE] Verblonde Players 9,787 posts 20,656 battles Report post #11476 Posted September 19, 2018 Re: Loyang (and other premiums) hydro: WG don't usually mess with premiums without good reason, so isn't it likely that she'll get left alone? It's still a nerf then, but only a relative one, due to opponents getting stronger... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NAN0] HaachamaShipping Players 8,474 posts 10,052 battles Report post #11477 Posted September 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Toivia said: Oh come on, Lo Yang out-hydroing german DDs is nonsense. A complete hydro unification is one of the few possible ways to bring a premium ship up to balance at last. Issue is, hydro was one of the things Loyang had going for it, it being otherwise a pretty underwhelming Benson. Loyang has the second-lowest hp pool at T8 (only Harekaze has less). An encounter with a Z-23 (provided Z-23 does not get German hydro) would see Loyang pretty beaten up or dead, if the Loyang allows the Z to use AP effectively. Loyang also now gets spotted way outside hydro range, making it easier to run off for the enemy before being hydroed. @Captain_LOZFFVII a short while ago argued with me about whether Loyang can outperform a Harekaze, but with these changes, I think Loyang is going to suffer much of its competitiveness if this goes through. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SM0KE] Verblonde Players 9,787 posts 20,656 battles Report post #11478 Posted September 19, 2018 34 minutes ago, Verdius said: Yes, WG thinks Giulio Cesare, Gremy, and Kamikaze is fine and balanced for ranked especially when divisioned On the up-side, at least it's not *yet more* bleedin' Tier 10... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TOXIC] eliastion Players 4,795 posts 12,260 battles Report post #11479 Posted September 19, 2018 12 minutes ago, Verblonde said: Re: Loyang (and other premiums) hydro: WG don't usually mess with premiums without good reason, so isn't it likely that she'll get left alone? It's still a nerf then, but only a relative one, due to opponents getting stronger... Well, Harekaze did get an undeserved buff (with no drawbacks, unlike what they did to Akizuki) with IJN 100mm guns penetration buff. I don't think WG will forsake Lo Yankg completely in this. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[T-N-T] Toivia Players 4,019 posts 23,935 battles Report post #11480 Posted September 19, 2018 Well, they could always give Lo Yang a choice of some decent deep water torps, at least it would make it fit with the main line a bit more. But yes, Harekaze wasn't bad even before the 100mm buffs, it sure didn't get worse... I'll agree not to harp on Lo Yang getting too good of a hydro till we see what kind of hydro it ends up getting, okay? (Just imagine it gets the german one and Z-23/Z-46 keep non-german ones. ) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-TPF-] invicta2012 Players 6,382 posts 26,855 battles Report post #11481 Posted September 19, 2018 51 minutes ago, Verdius said: T5 ranked.... With Divisions.... Yes, WG thinks Giulio Cesare, Gremy, and Kamikaze is fine and balanced for ranked especially when divisioned Oh my. Time to break out the Krispy Kreme and set things on fire.... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SM0KE] Verblonde Players 9,787 posts 20,656 battles Report post #11482 Posted September 19, 2018 26 minutes ago, invicta2012 said: Oh my. Time to break out the Krispy Kreme and set things on fire.... Presumably, for the unicums on here, maximum style points are scored for hitting rank 1 in the most dreadful ships...? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NECRO] Deckeru_Maiku Beta Tester 6,636 posts 24,864 battles Report post #11483 Posted September 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Toivia said: Oh come on, Lo Yang out-hydroing german DDs is nonsense. A complete hydro unification is one of the few possible ways to bring a premium ship up to balance at last. Exactly... that would be as stupid as for example russian cruisers out-radaring all other cruis... oh.. wait... 33 minutes ago, invicta2012 said: Oh my. Time to break out the Krispy Kreme and set things on fire.... Yes... happy times ahead! I've been training in my Crispy Creme for a while now - 184 battles - and am pround of my 20% main gun hit-rate and the 51% winrate... Considering the amount of potatoes usually playing ranked, I guess many will see a Crispy Creme for the first time... and that will allow for many a nice barbeque... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[T-N-T] Toivia Players 4,019 posts 23,935 battles Report post #11484 Posted September 19, 2018 Well hey, at least it's all soviet cruisers, not just one premium. I mean, fine, from time to time, you can give a premium a gimmick (pls don't overdo it, WG), but making it the best at it? It's like they made a german battleship with only HE and extremely good HE at that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[EXA] KMS_Hydra Beta Tester 29 posts 9,709 battles Report post #11485 Posted September 19, 2018 Just a short question as i'm not sure if i have understoot it right, are the hydro changes a buff or a nerf to z52? Like, will it lose the german hydro and get the normal hydro like the rest off the line or will it get the new t8-10 german hydro? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] DFens_666 Players 13,162 posts 11,029 battles Report post #11486 Posted September 19, 2018 1 minute ago, KMS_Hydra said: Just a short question as i'm not sure if i have understoot it right, are the hydro changes a buff or a nerf to z52? Like, will it lose the german hydro and get the normal hydro like the rest off the line or will it get the new t8-10 german hydro? Buff, it already has german hydro, so it will have longer hydro range. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[EXA] KMS_Hydra Beta Tester 29 posts 9,709 battles Report post #11487 Posted September 19, 2018 Just now, DFens_666 said: Buff, it already has german hydro, so it will have longer hydro range. nice! thx for the fast answer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TTTX] Tyrendian89 [TTTX] Players 4,608 posts 8,139 battles Report post #11488 Posted September 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Verdius said: T5 ranked.... With Divisions.... Yes, WG thinks Giulio Cesare, Gremy, and Kamikaze is fine and balanced for ranked especially when divisioned Not that I am complaining. Easiest season ever exactly my thinking... what the actual fork (and knife and spoon as well for good measure, so what the actual cutlery)? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LOZFFVII Players 2,848 posts 5,365 battles Report post #11489 Posted September 19, 2018 2 hours ago, Riselotte said: Issue is, hydro was one of the things Loyang had going for it, it being otherwise a pretty underwhelming Benson. Loyang has the second-lowest hp pool at T8 (only Harekaze has less). An encounter with a Z-23 (provided Z-23 does not get German hydro) would see Loyang pretty beaten up or dead, if the Loyang allows the Z to use AP effectively. Loyang also now gets spotted way outside hydro range, making it easier to run off for the enemy before being hydroed. @Captain_LOZFFVII a short while ago argued with me about whether Loyang can outperform a Harekaze, but with these changes, I think Loyang is going to suffer much of its competitiveness if this goes through. Took me a while to find it. A 0.4km nerf to Loyang hydro? Doesn't seem like a lot, still enough to let Loyang push smokes, but yeah if T8+ KM DDs are getting a Hydro buff to 6km then Loyang is f*cked. So, WeeGee, I will be asking for my money back. Or...not. I don't have another PanAsian premium for captain training, and I'm considering starting that grind after I have a Khabarovsk. I guess I'll just swap out hydro for AADef or something. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_DeathWing_ Alpha Tester, Players, In AlfaTesters 2,625 posts 9,867 battles Report post #11490 Posted September 19, 2018 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TORAZ] El2aZeR Beta Tester 15,786 posts 26,801 battles Report post #11491 Posted September 19, 2018 Quote The balance algorithm for battles on tiers VI – X is being tested. It will limit the number of destroyers in a battle to 4. But 5 BBs per team in almost every match is still fine, eh? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[T-N-T] Toivia Players 4,019 posts 23,935 battles Report post #11492 Posted September 19, 2018 Oh, no more than 4 DDs per team, finally! 5 DDs is so much more annoying than 5 BBs per team (though that could get changed to 4 as well, WG). Rest of the stuff: "Ranked Sprint", new torpedo detection. That is concerning. I mean divisions in ranked is concerning by itself, now making it Tier 5 and saying it will be accessible for newer players? lol "Seals welcome to attend!" And the torpedo detection system - will it end by steering my ship automatically between torps or something? I don't like the sound of what they're describing, potentially not warning me when it *thinks* I'm fine, while I'm definitely not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Taliesn Players 2,238 posts 16,405 battles Report post #11493 Posted September 20, 2018 13 hours ago, Deckeru_Maiku said: I don't expect subs to be of interest to the DD community, except as targets... Way more fun to use Depth charges to hunt them little buggers... For the agressive captains on DDs, no doubt. But those are the ones that go into caps to hunt DDs. But for the ones that only like to hug the border of the map and launch 15 torps at BBs every 2 minutes? They'd move to subs straight away because stupid concealment and probably BBs and some CAs won't even be able to touch them unless they resurface. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Humorpalanta ∞ Players 2,025 posts 13,785 battles Report post #11494 Posted September 20, 2018 " Red-Dangerous. Turns on when if you continue in your ship’s direction, the torpedo will hit your ship or enter within a dangerous radius for your ship. " Translated: Oh f*cks sake! How f*cking dumb you f*ckin idiot BBabies can you be? You don't even have to think anymore. By the end of next year even a chimpanzee could play this game and top the tables... 3 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] ForlornSailor Players 7,374 posts 11,735 battles Report post #11495 Posted September 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, Humorpalanta said: Translated: Oh f*cks sake! How f*cking dumb you f*ckin idiot BBabies can you be? You don't even have to think anymore. By the end of next year even a chimpanzee could play this game and top the tables... Why dont we change the Collision Avoidance System, so that it will not only steer BBs around islands, but also dodges Torpedos? Only available for BBs™ 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NAN0] HaachamaShipping Players 8,474 posts 10,052 battles Report post #11496 Posted September 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, Taliesn said: For the agressive captains on DDs, no doubt. But those are the ones that go into caps to hunt DDs. But for the ones that only like to hug the border of the map and launch 15 torps at BBs every 2 minutes? They'd move to subs straight away because stupid concealment and probably BBs and some CAs won't even be able to touch them unless they resurface. I'm more bummed, because I now have to go sub hunting too. You know how fun it is to play "Where's Waldo" with an Asashio? Then try this crap. Sure, if subs are all that's around, I'll go hunt them, but unless they are easy to find and kill when overextented... which they won't be, because they have short range torps, they need to be up close. 3 minutes ago, Humorpalanta said: " Red-Dangerous. Turns on when if you continue in your ship’s direction, the torpedo will hit your ship or enter within a dangerous radius for your ship. " Translated: Oh f*cks sake! How f*cking dumb you f*ckin idiot BBabies can you be? You don't even have to think anymore. By the end of next year even a chimpanzee could play this game and top the tables... Eh, currently all torps are red warning indicators. This is more to reduce the stress from suddenly getting a torp warning from torps that clearly miss you or just cannot hit you (DWT on DDs). Currently, you hear a sudden beeping sound and go in full torp dodging mode, just to look around and see that it's torps passing by 4 km behind you or some deep water torpedoes running right underneath your keel. With a more differentiated warning system, I still get feedback, I discovered torps, but I know when I can just ignore them and focus on whatever I was currently doing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ONE2] RAHJAILARI Players 3,160 posts 31,670 battles Report post #11497 Posted September 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, ForlornSailor said: Why dont we change the Collision Avoidance System, so that it will not only steer BBs around islands, but also dodges Torpedos? Only available for BBs™ SHUSH MAN!! Don't be giving them any more ideas... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HALON] Amon_ITA Players 708 posts 13,072 battles Report post #11498 Posted September 20, 2018 13 minutes ago, Humorpalanta said: " Red-Dangerous. Turns on when if you continue in your ship’s direction, the torpedo will hit your ship or enter within a dangerous radius for your ship. " Translated: Oh f*cks sake! How f*cking dumb you f*ckin idiot BBabies can you be? You don't even have to think anymore. By the end of next year even a chimpanzee could play this game and top the tables... Agreed. This is unnecessary and goes in the wrong direction for sure. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] ForlornSailor Players 7,374 posts 11,735 battles Report post #11499 Posted September 20, 2018 15 minutes ago, RAHJAILARI said: SHUSH MAN!! Don't be giving them any more ideas... Oh no. I screwed up now, didnt I? Well, guess you all know who to blame for that upcoming improvement. Im going to hide. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[XODUS] JaiFoh Players 799 posts 4,868 battles Report post #11500 Posted September 20, 2018 personally i see the unification of Hydro and Smoke as a clean up exercise for the code, there are 25 Hydro's currently in the game, this would cut them down to about 10. It buff's some of the lower level ships to their tier above counter part. there is some clarification required though. Lo Yang The German Battleships and the T8&9 German Destroyers for starters. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
