[BLOBS] StuntMan0369 Beta Tester 923 posts 4,848 battles Report post #9301 Posted March 28, 2018 30 minutes ago, Darth_Glorious said: Stalingrad doesn't have HE, use semi AP like British CLs. Not quite sure where you are getting the Brit CL AP performance from. There are 3 factors that make British AP; Auto-Bounce angles, Projectile Detonator and Detonator Threshold. Typically, Brit Cruisers have improved angles to let the shells do damage to heavier angled targets, the Projectile Detonator is lowered so the shell doesn't overpen light targets like DD's and the Detonator Threshold is also lowered so it can arm on very thin pieces of armour. All 3 of those combine to make British CL AP. Now to Stalingrad. Her Projectile Detonator is identical to other 305mm guns in the game at 0.01. Her Detonator Threshold is identical to other 305mm guns in the game at 51mm. The only factor which may be different (hard to confirm/deny) is auto-bounce angles, but that would make it more American style AP than British. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darth_Glorious Beta Tester 2,464 posts Report post #9302 Posted March 28, 2018 I only said that they have only semi-Ap like Brits CLs. I don't know about its performance. The arming threshold is only 0.01s. The air drag is worse than Krondstadt shells so it loses speed faster the later. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darth_Glorious Beta Tester 2,464 posts Report post #9303 Posted March 28, 2018 Nuovo de Julio has worse turret firing angle than Helena (42 degrees vs 30 degrees). it has same radar as Indianapolis. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CR33D] fumtu [CR33D] Players 3,842 posts 38,979 battles Report post #9304 Posted March 28, 2018 35 minutes ago, Darth_Glorious said: Nuovo de Julio has worse turret firing angle than Helena (42 degrees vs 30 degrees). Well that is not surprising as St.Louis class superstructure is better optimised for AA defence and doesn't obscure aft guns like the aft superstructure of Brooklyn class. Quote it has same radar as Indianapolis. This is a BS. My guess is that this is balance for less range and worse maneuverability. If they are giving her T10 US radar they could give Helena, maybe even NO, an Atlanta radar. Now radar at T7 will stay only available on premium ships (read behind a pay-wall). Edit: Wording Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CBS] Allied_Winter Players 6,242 posts 10,755 battles Report post #9305 Posted March 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, fumtu said: Now radar at T7 will be only available on premium ships (read behind a pay-wall). Now? It was even before that premium ship. Greetings Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CR33D] fumtu [CR33D] Players 3,842 posts 38,979 battles Report post #9306 Posted March 28, 2018 Just now, Allied_Winter said: Now? It was even before that premium ship. Greetings Yes, that's what I meant to say Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] T0byJug Quality Poster 5,358 posts 25,531 battles Report post #9307 Posted March 28, 2018 1 minute ago, fumtu said: Yes, that's what I meant to say 11 minutes ago, Allied_Winter said: Now? It was even before that premium ship. Greetings Wish someone would rain in this dev team.... They dont need to give Prem ships a gimmick to make us buy them. This is ships not tanks. As long as the ship is a little famous and not completely crap. We will buy her Make a prem of a museum ship or a famous ship from a famous action/battle people buy it in droves.... Pretty sure just about every player that has stepped aboard HMS Belfast or ORP Błyskawica bought the ship for that reason.. all they have to do is make sure she is not completely crap. Just look at HMS Cossack.. You can be pretty sure just about every Brit that has a Credit card and read Commando Comics as a kid will buy a Tribal class DD the day she is released even though the reviews have not been that great. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CBS] Allied_Winter Players 6,242 posts 10,755 battles Report post #9308 Posted March 28, 2018 9 minutes ago, T0byJug said: They dont need to give Prem ships a gimmick to make us buy them. Depends, look at the space battle camo discussion: Some would be happy with them the way they are, some want additional gimmicks. Same with premium ships: Some want historical sister ships. Some want gimmicks. Some want all of it. Some just want a unique playstyle. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CR33D] fumtu [CR33D] Players 3,842 posts 38,979 battles Report post #9309 Posted March 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, T0byJug said: Wish someone would rain in this dev team.... They dont need to give Prem ships a gimmick to make us buy them. This is ships not tanks. As long as the ship is a little famous and not completely crap. We will buy her Make a prem of a museum ship or a famous ship from a famous action/battle people buy it in droves.... Pretty sure just about every player that has stepped aboard HMS Belfast or ORP Błyskawica bought the ship for that reason.. all they have to do is make sure she is not completely crap. Just look at HMS Cossack.. You can be pretty sure just about every Brit that has a Credit card and read Commando Comics as a kid will buy a Tribal class DD the day she is released even though the reviews have not been that great. Well Helena is probably the most famous Brooklyn/St.Louis class ship and many expected to be a premium ship. But WG choose her to be a regular cruiser. Boise as a US cruiser had a nice record, just like several her other sisters like Nashville, Honolulu and Phoenix, and all four had distinguished service in the Solomons during 1942-43 and later. As Argentinian ship she is less know then General Belgrano but Belgrano is famous for all wrong reasons, mostly by the fact that it was sunk by nuclear submarine. I personally would like Boise or Honolulu or generally any Brooklyn class as a US premium ship, not much eager for Argentinian ship. But in this case I dislike more the way WG is trying to balance these ships by making what seems generally a not good ship but trading that for very powerful consumable. And leaving radar only available behind pay-wall is a BS. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[T-N-T] Sigimundus Weekend Tester, Players, In AlfaTesters 6,566 posts 16,011 battles Report post #9310 Posted March 28, 2018 21 minutes ago, T0byJug said: Pretty sure just about every player that has stepped aboard HMS Belfast or ORP Błyskawica bought the ship for that reason.. Umm I was on both of this ship and I do not buy any of these two ships. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CR33D] fumtu [CR33D] Players 3,842 posts 38,979 battles Report post #9311 Posted March 28, 2018 Well this is still unconfirmed but there is a possibility that Cossack will get his fouth (X) turret back (0.7.4). Does anybody has access to gamemodels3d to try to confirm this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[XODUS] JaiFoh Players 799 posts 4,868 battles Report post #9312 Posted March 28, 2018 X Turret being back looks interesting as by the look of it she can fire X turret at a 15 degree angle of the Bow (so similar to the Gearing in terms of angles roughly) Not as good firing angles going bow on as the Gadjah (what 7 degrees or so?) but still VERY potent AA will be crap in this mode but it is possible that if they keep the Cossack as she is now with Hydro we suddenly have a very good Cap Bully and could actually knock the Gadjah off its perch as the best T7 Destroyer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CPC] NoirLotus [CPC] Quality Poster 2,545 posts 13,198 battles Report post #9313 Posted March 28, 2018 32 minutes ago, JaiFoh said: X Turret being back looks interesting as by the look of it she can fire X turret at a 15 degree angle of the Bow (so similar to the Gearing in terms of angles roughly) Not as good firing angles going bow on as the Gadjah (what 7 degrees or so?) but still VERY potent AA will be crap in this mode but it is possible that if they keep the Cossack as she is now with Hydro we suddenly have a very good Cap Bully and could actually knock the Gadjah off its perch as the best T7 Destroyer I would prefer that WG tone down GM rather than put ingame another unbalanced DD. We all had our shares of T7 OP premiums. Cossack now needs clearly a buff (or a rework) but GM must not be used as a reference for what a T7 DD should do ... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BYOB] Aragathor Players 7,047 posts 32,322 battles Report post #9314 Posted March 28, 2018 The appearance of the original turret layout makes me want to buy the Cossack again. They will still need to balance the ship, but now they don't need to gimmick it to death... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CR33D] fumtu [CR33D] Players 3,842 posts 38,979 battles Report post #9315 Posted March 28, 2018 31 minutes ago, NoirLotus said: I would prefer that WG tone down GM rather than put ingame another unbalanced DD. We all had our shares of T7 OP premiums. Cossack now needs clearly a buff (or a rework) but GM must not be used as a reference for what a T7 DD should do ... Buff? I think she needs at least one nerf. She get her X turret back but still keep all the things WG added/buffed while trying to balance her in 3x2 configuration like 10km torps, hydro and that ridicules 5.7 detection range with CE! She only loose some AA but her AA was garbage anyway so that is not a big loss. She can keep hydro, maybe even torp range but concealment has to be reverted to first value (6.1km with CE). With 5.7km concealment she is taking the only major advantage left to IJN DDs at T6-T7 and will be able to outspot all T8 DDs but Kagero/Harekaze. Now that she got back her fourth turret there is no need for that anymore. She should be just good without it, she will be able to bring at least 6 guns in action at any time and that would be basically the same firepower as GM. It would be wrong to try to balance her to be on the same level as GM or even better then GM is already a too good to be at T7. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CPC] NoirLotus [CPC] Quality Poster 2,545 posts 13,198 battles Report post #9316 Posted March 28, 2018 When I talk of Cossacks now, Imean in the current 3×2 version. I'll wait to see the whole stats of the revised 4×2 version before judging if it's good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CR33D] fumtu [CR33D] Players 3,842 posts 38,979 battles Report post #9317 Posted March 28, 2018 7 minutes ago, NoirLotus said: When I talk of Cossacks now, Imean in the current 3×2 version. I'll wait to see the whole stats of the revised 4×2 version before judging if it's good. You can find all stats here https://thedailybounce.net/2018/03/28/world-of-warships-0-7-4-supertest-hms-cossack-changes/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[T-N-T] Toivia Players 4,019 posts 23,935 battles Report post #9318 Posted March 28, 2018 Definitely agree on not adding a T7 DD stronger than Gadjah, that'd be pure powercreep (it was kinda pissing me off how every CC kept comparing Cossack to Gadjah Madah when GM is kinda the overperforming outlier). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darth_Glorious Beta Tester 2,464 posts Report post #9319 Posted March 29, 2018 New Cossack has 4x2 120 mm config, X turret can shoot at 27 degrees but Y turret still need 61 degrees angling to shoot. The AA is super weak now, only 13 + 4 DPS at tier 7. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[T-N-T] Toivia Players 4,019 posts 23,935 battles Report post #9320 Posted March 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Darth_Glorious said: New Cossack has 4x2 120 mm config, X turret can shoot at 27 degrees but Y turret still need 61 degrees angling to shoot. The AA is super weak now, only 13 + 4 DPS at tier 8. Tier 8? Isn't Cossack still T7? If they push her to T8, then I guess she might keep all the gimmicks she got in previous testing, namely hydro and concealment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darth_Glorious Beta Tester 2,464 posts Report post #9321 Posted March 29, 2018 Just now, Toivia said: Tier 8? Isn't Cossack still T7? If they push her to T8, then I guess she might keep all the gimmicks she got in previous testing, namely hydro and concealment. typo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CR33D] fumtu [CR33D] Players 3,842 posts 38,979 battles Report post #9322 Posted March 29, 2018 7 hours ago, Darth_Glorious said: New Cossack has 4x2 120 mm config, X turret can shoot at 27 degrees but Y turret still need 61 degrees angling to shoot. The AA is super weak now, only 13 + 4 DPS at tier 7. Well not that her AA was much better previously. Fourth 4.7inch mount is way more useful that 4inch mount we had before. Especially as she doesn't have DAA. She should be fine now but I really hope they will revert her concealment to previous value. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[T-N-T] Sigimundus Weekend Tester, Players, In AlfaTesters 6,566 posts 16,011 battles Report post #9323 Posted March 29, 2018 It is Super-Akizuki or some premium variant of normal Akizuki? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[JUNK] Affeks [JUNK] Beta Tester 1,934 posts 8,416 battles Report post #9324 Posted March 29, 2018 13 minutes ago, Sigimundus said: It is Super-Akizuki or some premium variant of normal Akizuki? Its just the Akizuki class destroyer that got transferred to China after the war, namely Fen Yang, or Yoizuki as she was named under Japan. There was rumors of a PA Akizuki class destroyer, but to no ones surprise Akizuki doesnt fit into the tree. Edit: turns out it was fake, but the odds of a PA Akizuki coming as a prem at some point is still pretty big. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[COMFY] ImperialAdmiral [COMFY] Players 1,649 posts 9,828 battles Report post #9325 Posted March 30, 2018 Watched Flamu stream and Abruzzi still looks like a garbage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
