Discussion thread for "some interesting info around the world"

[Aotearas]

Just now, Boris_MNE said:

 

 

SO reddit: " We considered it even before, still working on it, and we partly like the effect too, but it should be controllable and tweakable feature, not some magic random bug :) "

 

 

idk i trust him, he was frustrated with bbs on russian forum too...

 

 

right @Sub_Octavian? :D

Ah, I don't read reddit so I didn't have that information.

 

If that is true, then that's good. Still don't understand why they removed the citadel vulnerability if they understand how it's caused, unless it also negatively effects other parts of the balance, which they haven't alluded to in the statement though ...

 

 

 

In other recent news:

6 minutes ago, JaiFoh said:

https://www.facebook.com/wowsdevblog/?hc_ref=ARSJpbYztKtVYmth7xOEaPDNIHluot9VEz1H49PNTvQ_Ef_tlOIrqF9n08rVfqRPz9o&fref=nf 

 

ST, Soviet cruiser Kronshtadt

HP pool of the ship is decreased from 82300 to 59800. This number is better suited to the ship's class and tier combination, and it will be the starting point for the balancing process.

 

 

Very nice. Now we're talking about a much more pliable baseline without having to balance the rest of the ship around a ludicrous health pool.

[fumtu]

31 minutes ago, Panocek said:

Cleve might be workable, though only 1s reload advantage over other CLs for worse ballistics, range and lack of torps. Turret traverse is noice, but other CLs with exception of Mogami have already solid traverse

 

Worse ballistic could be advantage too as it will enable shooting with better use of islands as cover than any other T8 cruiser. In radar range it would be deadly, above it it could work. With current arcs shooting anything over 15km will be quite challenging. At T8 and above ships are much faster than in T6-T8 bracket, especially BBs gain more speed so targeting them while over 15km would require enormous lead with plenty of time to dodge.

 

12 minutes ago, Aragathor said:

RoF is only 1s better than it has right now. And I don't think the extra consumable and a better turret rotation are going to compensate for the fact that it has to get really close to fight. Which brings me to the better concealment, it's nice but it only works until you open fire. So unless you camp islands you'll be playing short games in the new Cleve. And let's not forget those rare T10 games the ship will be seeing...

In comparison the Mogami has 3x3 guns up front, so it can angle and fire away without showing side, the Edinburgh has smoke to hide in, the Chapayev has range.

 

Yes she will require a lot of island hugging but shell arcs will allow you to do that.  1s better reload is still the best among all T8 cruisers. And she still have concealment advantage over all other T8 cruisers but Edinburgh but she came with radar which has almost the same range as her concealment which means if she is spotted she will be able to "spot" back.

 

I don't know, to me this preliminary stats looks fine at least for start, I can't call it either bad or good until we get first CC reviews.

[Gojuadorai]

10 minutes ago, Aotearas said:

20 minutes ago, JaiFoh said:

https://www.facebook.com/wowsdevblog/?hc_ref=ARSJpbYztKtVYmth7xOEaPDNIHluot9VEz1H49PNTvQ_Ef_tlOIrqF9n08rVfqRPz9o&fref=nf 

 

ST, Soviet cruiser Kronshtadt

HP pool of the ship is decreased from 82300 to 59800. This number is better suited to the ship's class and tier combination, and it will be the starting point for the balancing process.

 

 

Very nice. Now we're talking about a much more pliable baseline without having to balance the rest of the ship around a ludicrous health pool.

 

while i agree on the balancing implications i find it to be verry wiered  that a ship with a higher displcement than the moskva*  and the same class gets a lower health pool.

i hope this will allow them to make the guns  way more accurate

 

*(not sure abot this but i assume it since its dimnsions etc seem to be larger)7

 

[edit] i dearly HOPE it wont end up beeing the musashi version of the moskva .....

[Aotearas]

Just now, Gojuadorai said:

 

while i agree on the balancing implications i find it to be verry wiered  that a ship with a higher displcement than the moskva*  and the same class gets a lower health pool.

i hope this will allow them to make the guns  way more accurate

 

*(not sure abot this but i assume it since its dimnsions etc seem to be larger)

 

Maybe instead of increasing her survivability via HP, they're going to give her more armour. Trade endurance for actual tanking.

 

Could be a prototype for a battlecruiser template. Cruiserlike HP, sufficient armour to reliably angle against BBs, main armament filling the gap between CAs and BBs.

Would also make sense considering how the community has been asking for battlecruiser lines for quite a while now (and some nations should have enough designs to even fill a complete tech-tree, i.e.: the germans and british very much liked their battlecruisers and even went with different design focus that could make two distinct iterations that play differently).

 

At least that's what I'm hoping for.

[fumtu]

5 minutes ago, Gojuadorai said:

 

while i agree on the balancing implications i find it to be verry wiered  that a ship with a higher displcement than the moskva*  and the same class gets a lower health pool.

i hope this will allow them to make the guns  way more accurate

 

*(not sure abot this but i assume it since its dimnsions etc seem to be larger)

 

Yes Kronshtadt class (shoul) had a higher displacement than Project 66 (in game Moskva), some 39k compared with 30k. But previous Krony HP was ridicules and this one is more reasonable.

[Gojuadorai]

6 minutes ago, fumtu said:

 

Yes Kronshtadt class (shoul) had a higher displacement than Project 66 (in game Moskva), some 39k compared with 30k. But previous Krony HP was ridicules and this one is more reasonable.

 

i did not mean that it should be as high as it was 

just feels wrong in terms of consitency.

ofc they yould always argue moskav hass better compartmentization etc thus better HP but still its wiered to me.

[_DeathWing_]

0.7.3 NEW CONTENTS AND CHANGES UPDATE I

 

Graf Zeppelin Finalized (with new special camo)

[Panocek]

6 hours ago, Aotearas said:

Let's also not forget that the new Cleveland will have absurdly good concealment.

 

With 11,88km surface detectability, a full stealth build can get her surface detactability down to 8,91km which is tied for the best cruiser concealment with the Minotaur if I'm not mistaken.

Plus if the CLs get the same radar as the CAs, at tier VIII the Cleveland will get a 8,95km radar range, meaning as soon as she gets spotted by a DD, she can counter radar.

And with a DD providing smoke and spotting the Cleveland should be absolutely disgusting with a 5,64km smoke firing detectability.

 

She also gets a free spotter plane in its own slot, so at least as far as bombarding BBs goes, her range should be sufficient. Not going to be of much use shooting other cruisers, let alone DDs at the extended range though.

Odinburger have better camo, range, torps, smoke and lolheal. Shell velocity also is decent enough, as it enables island abuse and you don't feel beard growing when waiting for shells to land

 

Also your camo formula seems a bit off, as 8.9km you get on Minotaur, which has 11.52km base concealment. Edin have 11.7, new Cleveland will have 11.88... which is the same as Atago. So that would be 9.1km?

[Aotearas]

1 hour ago, Panocek said:

Also your camo formula seems a bit off, as 8.9km you get on Minotaur, which has 11.52km base concealment. Edin have 11.7, new Cleveland will have 11.88... which is the same as Atago. So that would be 9.1km?

Yeah, I made a mistake and added the concealment bonuses together before doing the math (so 11,88 x 0,75) instead of applying them individually ( 11,88 x 0,90 x 0,88 x 0,97).

 

As for the Edinburgh though, Cleveland will have one huge advantage: it has HE, meaning it can still reliably deal damage to heavily angled targets, especially if you have an IFHE captain.

[Hades_warrior]

I'll just say this: Alena Ermolaeva 

 

I wish WG keep her.

[Panocek]

1 hour ago, Hades_warrior said:

I'll just say this: Alena Ermolaeva 

 

I wish WG keep her.

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[Origin47]

1 hour ago, Hades_warrior said:

I'll just say this: Alena Ermolaeva 

 

I wish WG keep her.

She's pretty 

[Gojuadorai]

14 minutes ago, ImperialAdmiral said:

 

 

 

im loosing my faith in this game

 

ship is clearly not well balance instead of fixing whats wrong lets slapp BS on it till its "Balanced™"

 

 

[Verdius]

4 hours ago, Gojuadorai said:

 

 

im loosing my faith in this game

 

ship is clearly not well balance instead of fixing whats wrong lets slapp BS on it till its "Balanced™"

 

 

 

Needs more gimmicks comrade. It doesn't really adress any of the main issues: that she poses no threat because her damage output is quite bad for T7 (even with a mandatory 10 point captain with IFHE, which you need because 152mm HE can't pen much without it), combined with bad gun range, her health is still on the low end, and her AA is bad. Only decent thing about her so far is that her concealment is alright.

[principat121]

you can sum it up: lack of creativity

[Hades_warrior]

6 hours ago, Origin47 said:

She's pretty 

Pretty is fine term, but I would say hot as hell.

[Humorpalanta]

10 hours ago, Hades_warrior said:

Pretty is fine term, but I would say hot as hell.

Meh.

DASHA

 

[_DeathWing_]

[News] Z-39 Is Now A T7 DD

[creamgravy]

About time they have Abruzzi a heal, Aosta should have one too.

[HaachamaShipping]

On 3/17/2018 at 12:20 PM, _DeathWing_ said:

[News] Z-39 Is Now A T7 DD

Now I hope Asashio stops having dumb DWT and gets moved to T7. Might not happen, but I can hope.

[Egoleter]

I have a favor to ask.

 

Those of you who visit the developers blog on FB. Could you please copy the content of the blog post into the "Some Interesting Info From Around The World" thread instead of just linking it? The link alone, as a headline, is almost worthless to some of us. At least for me it is.

 

Thanks a lot in advance.

[principat121]

On 17.3.2018 at 2:04 PM, creamgravy said:

About time they have Abruzzi a heal, Aosta should have one too.

Why?

 

There is no reason why those two should get one, but other squishy cruisers do not.

[loppantorkel]

31 minutes ago, Egoleter said:

I have a favor to ask.

 

Those of you who visit the developers blog on FB. Could you please copy the content of the blog post into the "Some Interesting Info From Around The World" thread instead of just linking it? The link alone, as a headline, is almost worthless to some of us. At least for me it is.

 

Thanks a lot in advance.

You don't need a facebook account to see it. I have to open it up in a different tab for some reason. ...or am I missing something?

[Aotearas]

Buffalo looks mighty juicy.

 

4x3 203 (with presumably the same superheavy AP shells as the current Baltimore and Des Moines) at 13 seconds reload sounds pretty neat.

B hull AA stats are also nothing to sniff at.

 

With 13,1km surface detectability stock this should come down to ~10km with a full concealment build.

[Egoleter]

14 hours ago, loppantorkel said:

You don't need a facebook account to see it. I have to open it up in a different tab for some reason. ...or am I missing something?

Yes, you are missing the fact that it is not about having an account or not.

I am blocking facebook scripts (also google-analytics and all the other tracking BS). All of them. Everywhere. That of course also includes the FB website. FB can't track and identify me. They don't need you to have an account for that. Wherever there is a "FB Like Button" there is a FB script tracking your activity. Sooner or later they'll know your identity. I will not be used for their marketing without my consent. As they don't offer any form of payment to me for my data, they don't get my consent. As it happens to be, without those scripts the FB website becomes unusable. I can not open any entry to read further then the headline. There is no plain html version.

I am thrilled to see how FB will work after the european data protection rules become active on the 25th May. When they are forced to get consent every time they want to collect something with complete transparancy what the data is used for.

 

But this is offtopic. Please get back to discussing the interesting infos from around the world.