[BLITZ] WeGreedy Players 3,005 posts 14,998 battles Report post #7976 Posted November 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, Capra76 said: Which is just a re-statement of the existing MM rules, top tier and T-1 BB are mirrored, T-2 can vary by +/- 1. But why does it say tier seven or eight then? On tier eight she won't be top tier, obviously. I just don't get that statement. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capra76 Players 5,001 posts 7,787 battles Report post #7977 Posted November 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, SeeteufeI said: But why does it say tier seven or eight then? On tier eight she won't be top tier, obviously. I just don't get that statement. Top AND one below top are mirrored, in a T8 game DoY would be T-1 thus mirrored, in a T9 she's T-2 thus not mirrored. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BLITZ] WeGreedy Players 3,005 posts 14,998 battles Report post #7978 Posted November 29, 2017 5 minutes ago, Capra76 said: Top AND one below top are mirrored, in a T8 game DoY would be T-1 thus mirrored, in a T9 she's T-2 thus not mirrored. Now it makes sense. Sorry, I read "tier one BB" and was already wondering... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[T-N-T] Sigimundus Weekend Tester, Players, In AlfaTesters 6,566 posts 16,007 battles Report post #7979 Posted November 29, 2017 1 hour ago, Verdius said: Cool, because giving out higher tier BBs for free made the game so much more enjoyable when they did it with Bismarck Going to be so much fun to have the MM full of KGVs with Def AA and hydro spamming HE everywhere.... WG once again hard at work reducing BB overpopulation (No I am not principally against free stuff, but on the other hand we also know that this is going to have unpleasant side effects) You mean great BB without any Heal? It will be very funny to see panicked players when they found that it can not heal any fire damage Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BLITZ] WeGreedy Players 3,005 posts 14,998 battles Report post #7980 Posted November 29, 2017 1 hour ago, Sigimundus said: You mean great BB without any Heal? It will be very funny to see panicked players when they found that it can not heal any fire damage Like non-hightier cruisers? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[POMF] Verdius Beta Tester 1,989 posts 4,247 battles Report post #7981 Posted November 29, 2017 11 minutes ago, Sigimundus said: You mean great BB without any Heal? It will be very funny to see panicked players when they found that it can not heal any fire damage At this point DoY is not a BB, but a big cruiser. She has all the utility of a cruiser (even more because she has both def AA and hydro at the same time) but the hitpoints and guns of a BB. Because she is a RN BB she also basically has cruiser detection. The only noticeable downsides compared to same tier cruisers she has are her relative size and rudder shift. Otherwise she is basically comparable or just better than the other cruisers. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
creamgravy Players 2,780 posts 17,292 battles Report post #7982 Posted November 29, 2017 24 minutes ago, Verdius said: The only noticeable downsides compared to same tier cruisers she has are her relative size and rudder shift. Otherwise she is basically comparable or just better than the other cruisers. Don't forget Myoko has a 32mm deck, DoY can't bounce or dodge 15" AP BB salvos at all. Being about to heal this raw pen damage on KGV is absolutely essential. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[JUNK] Affeks [JUNK] Beta Tester 1,934 posts 8,416 battles Report post #7983 Posted November 29, 2017 Gascogne AA: 3x3 152mm, 24.9dps@5km 8x2 100mm, 54.4dps@5km 6x2 37mm, 72,6dps@3.5km 8x2 37mm, 18.4dps@3km 9x2 25mm, 50.4dps@3.1km This is a lot worse than Richelieu. So I'm just wondering what exactly is Gascogne's strength over Richelieu? I dont think secondaries alone will be close to enough to compensate for the much worse turret placement. Id much rather place Gascogne at tier 7 and nerf it somewhat than force it into tier 8 and push stupid gimmicks on it like a 20% speed boost or something long those lines. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[POMF] Verdius Beta Tester 1,989 posts 4,247 battles Report post #7984 Posted November 29, 2017 More BBs with submerged citadels..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] DFens_666 Players 13,162 posts 11,029 battles Report post #7985 Posted November 29, 2017 7 minutes ago, Verdius said: More BBs with submerged citadels..... Just remove all Citadels from BB and finale we have world of BBabies and Cruisers can finaly be the total XP Pinata. How about raising the Citadel on all Cruisers to Minotaur level? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SparvieroVV Players 684 posts 73 battles Report post #7986 Posted November 29, 2017 WG seems determined to have a battleship with cruiser accuracy. First it was Lion or Conqueror then it was Cesare and now DoY? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SICK] Exocet6951 Weekend Tester 5,151 posts 11,809 battles Report post #7987 Posted November 29, 2017 3 hours ago, Verdius said: More BBs with submerged citadels..... According to GM3D, it's above water, mid way between the Montana and Yamato. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panocek Players 13,176 posts 13,617 battles Report post #7988 Posted November 29, 2017 3 hours ago, DFens_666 said: Just remove all Citadels from BB and finale we have world of BBabies and Cruisers can finaly be the total XP Pinata. How about raising the Citadel on all Cruisers to Minotaur level changing entire hull to citadel? Fixed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darth_Glorious Beta Tester 2,464 posts Report post #7989 Posted November 30, 2017 Spoiler France has well protected turret, second only to Yamato (590 mm front, 350 mm side, 250 mm top) France secondaries have better fire chance than German secondaries (12% for 152 mm and 9% for 127 mm). Manual sec build is viable. France deck 32 mm is vulnerable to HE like Conqueror, but without super heal. So Yamato will eat you for breakfast. France engine boost is only 8% like other French T8+ ship. The ship is sluggish without engine boost. France can get reliable citadel hit when showing broadside Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TORAZ] El2aZeR Beta Tester 15,786 posts 26,801 battles Report post #7990 Posted November 30, 2017 50 minutes ago, Darth_Glorious said: France can get reliable citadel hit when showing broadside A new high tier BB that you can reliably citadel when it is showing broadside? Blasphemy!!! (inb4 citadel gets lowered because BBabies complained) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[XODUS] JaiFoh Players 799 posts 4,868 battles Report post #7991 Posted November 30, 2017 For those interested Notser encountered a Richelieu last night on his Streamhttps://www.twitch.tv/videos/205309287?t=02h56m05s Damn Pretty looking ship Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DREAD] 1MajorKoenig Players 13,110 posts 7,885 battles Report post #7992 Posted November 30, 2017 9 hours ago, Darth_Glorious said: Hide contents France has well protected turret, second only to Yamato (590 mm front, 350 mm side, 250 mm top) France secondaries have better fire chance than German secondaries (12% for 152 mm and 9% for 127 mm). Manual sec build is viable. France deck 32 mm is vulnerable to HE like Conqueror, but without super heal. So Yamato will eat you for breakfast. France engine boost is only 8% like other French T8+ ship. The ship is sluggish without engine boost. France can get reliable citadel hit when showing broadside Sounds half way balanced and not overly gimmicky (yet). Hope they'll keep the line down to earth this time (not like the braindead monkey ships). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darth_Glorious Beta Tester 2,464 posts Report post #7993 Posted November 30, 2017 47 minutes ago, 1MajorKoenig said: Sounds half way balanced and not overly gimmicky (yet). Hope they'll keep the line down to earth this time (not like the braindead monkey ships). Yep, this line is more balanced than RN BBs 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BLITZ] WeGreedy Players 3,005 posts 14,998 battles Report post #7994 Posted November 30, 2017 10 minutes ago, Darth_Glorious said: Yep, this line is more balanced than RN BBs Meanwhile in France... Spoiler 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[POMF] Verdius Beta Tester 1,989 posts 4,247 battles Report post #7995 Posted November 30, 2017 2 hours ago, Darth_Glorious said: Yep, this line is more balanced than RN BBs That isn't really that hard to achieve. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BLITZ] WeGreedy Players 3,005 posts 14,998 battles Report post #7996 Posted November 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, Verdius said: That isn't really that hard to achieve. True, RN BBs shouldn't be used as scale for balancing new ships. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SICK] Exocet6951 Weekend Tester 5,151 posts 11,809 battles Report post #7997 Posted November 30, 2017 15 minutes ago, SeeteufeI said: True, RN BBs shouldn't be used as scale for balancing new ships. I find that using a combined IJN and USN scale works best. You have a good mix of everything that is a BB from tier3 to 10, without going into weird gimmicks and only once going into bull**** armor schemes (*cough* Amagi best KM BB ) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SparvieroVV Players 684 posts 73 battles Report post #7998 Posted November 30, 2017 That new GZ camo looks like a sleeve tattoo a prisoner would get. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NIKE] Xevious_Red Beta Tester 3,412 posts 7,888 battles Report post #7999 Posted November 30, 2017 I really like the GZ camo. Shame that in game you'll never see it due to CV view, so its something for port only Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darth_Glorious Beta Tester 2,464 posts Report post #8000 Posted November 30, 2017 Spoiler Alsace secondaries build is very strong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
